New law in NY... Cigarettes must be made with "low emissions paper"

[Jeff7181]

Link to follow up soon if I find it to be 100% true...

 

[DevilsAdvocate]

Will the regulation never end?

 

Originally posted by: DevilsAdvocate

Will the regulation never end?

Yeah, 'cause caring about the environment is so stupid and stuff.

If 1 million cigarettes are smoked in NYC every day, don't you think it makes sense to have them made with low emissions paper?

 

[DrPizza]

I live in NY... never heard of this...
and, I don't smoke, and really don't care that much except they're really making it hard on smokers..

 

Will the regulation never end?

Not while the whiney politically correct world still stands.

 

[zimu]

Originally posted by: jumpr

Originally posted by: DevilsAdvocate

Will the regulation never end?

Yeah, 'cause caring about the environment is so stupid and stuff.

If 1 million cigarettes are smoked in NYC every day, don't you think it makes sense to have them made with low emissions paper?

 

[Jeff7181]

Originally posted by: DrPizza
I live in NY... never heard of this...
and, I don't smoke, and really don't care that much except they're really making it hard on smokers..

I saw it on the local news here in Detroit... they don't usually report false information... but... I may have heard it wrong... it could be a proposed law... thus not a big deal yet.

 

[Jzero]

Originally posted by: jumpr

Originally posted by: DevilsAdvocate

Will the regulation never end?

Yeah, 'cause caring about the environment is so stupid and stuff.

If 1 million cigarettes are smoked in NYC every day, don't you think it makes sense to have them made with low emissions paper?

You're kidding, right?
Something tells me that "Low emissions paper" is the environmental equivalent of turning off a single light bulb to save electricity.

 

[Lucky]

Originally posted by: jumpr

Originally posted by: DevilsAdvocate

Will the regulation never end?

Yeah, 'cause caring about the environment is so stupid and stuff.

If 1 million cigarettes are smoked in NYC every day, don't you think it makes sense to have them made with low emissions paper?

I'm sure tens of millions, if not hundreds of millions, of cigarettes are smoked daily. Sure, it would be nice if their impact was muted. The impact of removing from the raod all cars/trucks with non-modern emissions (or none at all!) would have a vastly higher effect though.

And the impact that forcing manufacturers to make a unique product line for one state would suck too.

 

Originally posted by: Jzero

Originally posted by: jumpr

Originally posted by: DevilsAdvocate

Will the regulation never end?

Yeah, 'cause caring about the environment is so stupid and stuff.

If 1 million cigarettes are smoked in NYC every day, don't you think it makes sense to have them made with low emissions paper?

You're kidding, right?
Something tells me that "Low emissions paper" is the environmental equivalent of turning off a single light bulb to save electricity.

Paper is made with rediculously high amounts of acid...especially the low-quality paper used in cigs. And we wonder why all our marble buildings and statues are getting slimy and rounded off.

Using lower-acid paper for cigarettes would, I'm sure, greatly reduce the amount of acid rain falling on earth over the long term. Can you think of any other product or industry that burns paper in such large amounts as cigarettes?

 

[Lucky]

Can you think of any other product or industry that burns paper in such large amounts as cigarettes?

Yeah, virtually every paper product made. A large percentage of the trash we throw away is incinerated.

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[DevilsAdvocate]

Originally posted by: jumpr

Originally posted by: DevilsAdvocate

Will the regulation never end?

Yeah, 'cause caring about the environment is so stupid and stuff. If 1 million cigarettes are smoked in NYC every day, don't you think it makes sense to have them made with low emissions paper?

Spare me the enviropansy crap.

What could possibly be the net effect of the change of paper in the aggregate? Tobacco (asbestos, pencil shavings, and all the other crap in cigarettes) still burns... and it creates smoke!

A lot of this is regulation for regulation's sake. All it really does is increase costs to the consumer - nationwide.

 

Paper is made with rediculously high amounts of acid...especially the low-quality paper used in cigs. And we wonder why all our marble buildings and statues are getting slimy and rounded off.

hahaha gimmie a break.
Automobiles and industry are mostly to blame for that.

[/quote]Using lower-acid paper for cigarettes would, I'm sure, greatly reduce the amount of acid rain falling on earth over the long term. Can you think of any other product or industry that burns paper in such large amounts as cigarettes? [/quote]
The garbage removal industry? The papermill industry?

 

[Jeff7181]

Originally posted by: Lucky

Originally posted by: jumpr

Originally posted by: DevilsAdvocate

Will the regulation never end?

Yeah, 'cause caring about the environment is so stupid and stuff.

If 1 million cigarettes are smoked in NYC every day, don't you think it makes sense to have them made with low emissions paper?

I'm sure tens of millions, if not hundreds of millions, of cigarettes are smoked daily. Sure, it would be nice if their impact was muted. The impact of removing from the raod all cars/trucks with non-modern emissions (or none at all!) would have a vastly higher effect though.

And the impact that forcing manufacturers to make a unique product line for one state would suck too.

Yeah, it would make it more difficult for people who drive those cars (and most likely can't afford a new one) to get to work.

 

[Lucky]

So force them to buy a new one. Move to a japan-style model, where exhorbitant fees are levied upon older cars as an incentive to buy new ones. Oh, you don't like that idea? Because it might affect you?

 

[DevilsAdvocate]

Originally posted by: jumpr

Originally posted by: Jzero

Originally posted by: jumpr

Originally posted by: DevilsAdvocate

Will the regulation never end?

Yeah, 'cause caring about the environment is so stupid and stuff. If 1 million cigarettes are smoked in NYC every day, don't you think it makes sense to have them made with low emissions paper?

You're kidding, right? Something tells me that "Low emissions paper" is the environmental equivalent of turning off a single light bulb to save electricity.

Paper is made with rediculously high amounts of acid...especially the low-quality paper used in cigs. And we wonder why all our marble buildings and statues are getting slimy and rounded off. Using lower-acid paper for cigarettes would, I'm sure, greatly reduce the amount of acid rain falling on earth over the long term. Can you think of any other product or industry that burns paper in such large amounts as cigarettes?

What? Nice ipse dixit argument, there.

Exhaust from vehicles and plants which is pumped into the atmosphere in hideous amounts is to blame for acid rain. This has been documented ad nauseum.

The fact that paper is made with acid does not mean that it is necessarily acidic.

Would you like to back up your argument with some... I dunno... science?

 

[Jeff7181]

Originally posted by: Lucky
So force them to buy a new one. Move to a japan-style model, where exhorbitant fees are levied upon older cars as an incentive to buy new ones. Oh, you don't like that idea? Because it might affect you?

Are you addressing me?

 

What? Nice ipse dixit argument, there.

Exhaust from vehicles and plants which is pumped into the atmosphere in hideous amounts is to blame for acid rain. This has been documented ad nauseum.

The fact that paper is made with acid does not mean that it is necessarily acidic. Would you like to back up your argument with some... I dunno... science?

He can't back it up, nor will he ever.

 

[Lucky]

Originally posted by: Jeff7181

Originally posted by: Lucky
So force them to buy a new one. Move to a japan-style model, where exhorbitant fees are levied upon older cars as an incentive to buy new ones. Oh, you don't like that idea? Because it might affect you?

Are you addressing me?

Sure! 🙂

 

[Jeff7181]

Originally posted by: Lucky

Originally posted by: Jeff7181

Originally posted by: Lucky
So force them to buy a new one. Move to a japan-style model, where exhorbitant fees are levied upon older cars as an incentive to buy new ones. Oh, you don't like that idea? Because it might affect you?

Are you addressing me?

Sure! 🙂

In that case you don't make any sense 😀

 

[bozack]

Originally posted by: DevilsAdvocate

What? Nice ipse dixit argument, there.

Exhaust from vehicles and plants which is pumped into the atmosphere in hideous amounts is to blame for acid rain. This has been documented ad nauseum.

The fact that paper is made with acid does not mean that it is necessarily acidic.

Would you like to back up your argument with some... I dunno... science?

Too funny....

 

[yoda291]

actually, I think the low emission paper is there to make the cig go out if you're not actively smoking it so as to prevent accidental fires.

 

Actually, I think we all may be wrong: a document on the changes to ciagarettes

REDUCING EMISSIONS

Cigarette paper modifications have been the main focus of efforts to decrease ETS emissions. In 1990, for example, Brown & Williamson developed a solution that contained a film-forming agent (such as ammonium alginate or sodium carboxymethylcellulose) and a burn additive (such as potassium succinate and/or potassium citrate). These solutions reduced the permeability of cigarette paper, allowing less secondhand smoke to escape during smoldering.

Other emission-reducing tactics include adding sodium magnesium carbonate to cigarette paper (also to decrease permeability) and making the paper out of a multilayer cellulose material, which inhibits emissions by making the cigarette burn more slowly. Carbonized tobacco filler was used to reduce emissions by diluting the tobacco blend.

 

[UglyCasanova]

Originally posted by: yoda291
actually, I think the low emission paper is there to make the cig go out if you're not actively smoking it so as to prevent accidental fires.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure I heard that was the reason for it.

 

[Crucial]

Originally posted by: jumpr
Actually, I think we all may be wrong: a document on the changes to ciagarettes

REDUCING EMISSIONS

Cigarette paper modifications have been the main focus of efforts to decrease ETS emissions. In 1990, for example, Brown & Williamson developed a solution that contained a film-forming agent (such as ammonium alginate or sodium carboxymethylcellulose) and a burn additive (such as potassium succinate and/or potassium citrate). These solutions reduced the permeability of cigarette paper, allowing less secondhand smoke to escape during smoldering.

Other emission-reducing tactics include adding sodium magnesium carbonate to cigarette paper (also to decrease permeability) and making the paper out of a multilayer cellulose material, which inhibits emissions by making the cigarette burn more slowly. Carbonized tobacco filler was used to reduce emissions by diluting the tobacco blend.

MMM can't you just taste the ammonium alginate, sodium carboxymethylcellulose, potassium succinate, sodium magnesium carbonate, potassium citrate, and carbonized tobacco filler in your cancer sticks. Breathe deep smokers.