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IndyColtsFan

Lifer
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I would be surprised if you knew what you agreed to in the ToS that's eye bleedingly long, and obtuse. 99% of the people don't, and pointing to a document like that as a matter of ethics is disingenuous.

I can't believe you'd posit that after what we've learned in the last three years. What Amazon has, the government has. That's not counting "trusted partners" who you've never dealt with.

If you buy from pretty much ANY online vendor, they "can tell" what you're buying, reading, etc. Many now keep order histories for years, if not decades (I believe Newegg has my orders from 2001 or 2002 in order history). I don't really care if the US government knows I bought an Athlon XP 1700 from Newegg in 2002.

Wow, it has bookmarks. Such a miraculous technology. The most primitive text web browser can do that.

Now go to a PC half-way around the world. Does it still have those bookmarks? If so, how?

You know what's tiresome? People tauting trivial conveniences with the wild abandon of a schoolgirl, while ignoring the very real drawbacks and elimination of traditional rights for a penny or two of hd space.

I generally really enjoy your posts, but I think this thread borders on tinfoil hat paranoia and illogic. I don't care if Amazon knows I'm reading "The Guns of August" right now or that I'm on page 203 (or whatever page I'm on). I mean, I bought the book from them so if they really were curious as to what I happened to be reading at the time, a quick review of my order history would probably tell them pretty accurately.
 

Muse

Lifer
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Amazon knows what page you're reading, what sections you highlighted, which books/pages you've re-read.
I have a Kindle app on my Windows phone. It checks to see where I am in the book, where I was reading it on my Kindle. So, I can read on either device and it knows where I am in the book. That's a positive feature. I haven't been worrying that they know my reading habits. I don't look at the ads they flash when I turn it on for the most part. I'm not going to buy a book because they suggest it. What's the concern? That NSA becomes aware of my interests?

And yes, you can read PDF's on your Kindle. You can also download non Kindle freebies and dump them in your documents folder on your Kindle. Lately I've been checking out ebooks from my local library and reading them on my Kindle. I get 3 weeks at a pop and if I'm not done with the book when it expires I can check it out again and it knows where I am in the book.

One of the cool things about Kindle is you can call the toll free number at any time and get a live person quick to help you with issues. I don't do it alot but when I'm stumped or having a problem, I do ring them up (have the number programmed on my cordless).
 
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stlc8tr

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Amazon knows what page you're reading, what sections you highlighted, which books/pages you've re-read. Neither my tablet nor phone report what I'm reading to anyone. I suppose my books could be deleted since every phone is backdoored, but the books are on several computers, and unrestricted, so it would only be inconvenient.

Turn WiFi off on the Kindle if you're paranoid about Amazon tracking your reading habits. It works fine in offline mode (with the added bonus of no ads!).
 

Muadib

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Dang, I might have to get a kindle. With paper books I find myself rereading tha same pages trying to find where I left off. "Hmm, the author is getting kind of redundant, doh!" :p
I thought I was the only one who never heard of a bookmark. I made the move to a kindle, and just loves it.
 

destrekor

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I can't believe you'd posit that after what we've learned in the last three years. What Amazon has, the government has. That's not counting "trusted partners" who you've never dealt with.

You know what's tiresome? People tauting trivial conveniences with the wild abandon of a schoolgirl, while ignoring the very real drawbacks and elimination of traditional rights for a penny or two of hd space.

I do want to also say I've generally appreciated your comments and approach because it is refreshing when someone is so thoroughly invested in privacy.


I don't meant to say it is a non-issue to me. Rather, I don't put in the hands of these entities what I want to keep from the government. It's pretty simple. I use some privacy tactics for when I think it matters, but the day to day mundane stuff, I don't care if the NSA knows (and if the NSA REALLY wanted to know, hiding behind TOR and the like isn't any guarantee of privacy - crafty bastards, that lot). And again with the NSA, everything is still algorithms, not hand-picked, unless something triggers and you get flagged for inspection (I assume, but I may be wrong - but there's too much for them to care about all the crap they get, it must only be the ones who deserve attention that they take a closer look at).

I only traded limited rights for convenience, and not directly to the government. But frankly, there's going to reach a point in time where it doesn't matter, the government, illegally or unethically or some other shifty way about it, will know everything about every citizen. Not tomorrow, not next year, but in a few decades at most, first world countries won't have a true right to privacy. On the face of things, and in public admission, sure, but the NSA and similar bodies will always do what they can to skirt the laws so they can maintain an edge, and to maintain that edge, they'll need to know everything. I'd fight that too, but I see it as inevitable, like Minority Report and related. There's not much to do but absolute revolt. Digital fights and stubbornness aren't going to accomplish anything; an absolute overthrow is the only way, I suspect, to prevent what I fear is inevitable.

That said, again, I know there's the likelihood that the NSA has what is in Amazon's databases, and Google's as well, but I'm not really concerned because I enjoy the benefits of those services and limit what I make available to them. What I care about keeping secret, I make that effort.
 

Muse

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Turn WiFi off on the Kindle if you're paranoid about Amazon tracking your reading habits. It works fine in offline mode (with the added bonus of no ads!).
I'm not worried about what Amazon knows about me. They are not leading me by the nose, regardless. I leave my wifi on because I'm subscribed to the NY Times Blog, $2/month, it continues to update stories on a daily basis (so long as I remember to unload it and load one of my other downloads... maybe a feature not a bug, I haven't decided).
 

Ns1

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So does anyone actually have one of these? I'm debating whether or not I want to go Kindle/eBooks or buy used paper books since the used books are actually cheaper (but take up shitloads of space)
 

gorcorps

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So does anyone actually have one of these? I'm debating whether or not I want to go Kindle/eBooks or buy used paper books since the used books are actually cheaper (but take up shitloads of space)

I've used Kindles for a long time. Best choice I've ever made is getting an ereader. It's so much more convenient and I read more than I ever would if I had to deal with physical books.
 

nageov3t

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So does anyone actually have one of these? I'm debating whether or not I want to go Kindle/eBooks or buy used paper books since the used books are actually cheaper (but take up shitloads of space)

I love mine... I get the nostalgia for paper books (and indeed, they're sometimes cheaper used), but it's a lifesaver to take on vacation or even something more serious, like when I was stuck in a hospital bed for a week and had nothing to do but read. I was plowing through books way faster than my parents could have brought them to me in their nightly visits.

it's also nice as a space-saver. I'm gradually trying to pare down my collection of physical books so that they're no longer taking up half the living room... eventually I'd like to be down to like 1 bookcase of books that I have sentimental attachment to or are unavailable in digital formats.

edit: and most importantly, it means I can read trashy gay erotica books on the subway without getting judged :thumbsup: there was actually a funny article in The Guardian the other day about how sales of sex novels have boomed since e-readers have become popular, since most people would be too embarrassed to buy them in a store or be seen reading them in public, but the digital format provides some privacy.
 
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Protoman25

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So does anyone actually have one of these? I'm debating whether or not I want to go Kindle/eBooks or buy used paper books since the used books are actually cheaper (but take up shitloads of space)

I bring my Kindle PW with me pretty much everywhere I go. I love it. Being able to buy new books on the go is awesome. And 95% of the time you can get books cheaper on the Kindle than you can on paper, unless you're at a used book store or something.
 

zokudu

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I just wish an e-ink kindle didn't cost as much as a budget tablet. I get it's a better reading experience but $119 baseline seems like so much money for this.
 

nageov3t

Lifer
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I just wish an e-ink kindle didn't cost as much as a budget tablet. I get it's a better reading experience but $119 baseline seems like so much money for this.

you can get a base model for $79 new (and probably significantly cheaper used via ebay or something)
 

gorcorps

aka Brandon
Jul 18, 2004
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I just wish an e-ink kindle didn't cost as much as a budget tablet. I get it's a better reading experience but $119 baseline seems like so much money for this.

Totally worth it, I'm not kidding
 

Thump553

Lifer
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I just wish an e-ink kindle didn't cost as much as a budget tablet. I get it's a better reading experience but $119 baseline seems like so much money for this.

I use my Kindle several hours a day. It's two years old and as good as new. I use my tablet maybe an hour a week and in a year it will be outdated. I get a whole lot more value for the money from the Kindle. Plus they are regularly on sale, don't pay full list.

I still occasionally read paper books-heck I'm a former library board member and I donate money every year to the library-but it seems so awkward now.
 

destrekor

Lifer
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I just wish an e-ink kindle didn't cost as much as a budget tablet. I get it's a better reading experience but $119 baseline seems like so much money for this.

you can get a base model for $79 new (and probably significantly cheaper used via ebay or something)

Yep. The base model (2nd Gen Paperwhite), which I bought at $119, is absolutely worth it if you at all care to read eBooks.

I'm still waiting for the Color eInk devices of which there have been several prototypes, because I could get back into magazine subscriptions. I don't want to bother with actual magazine subs, and had some digital subs for my Nook Color, but that was annoying and battery life was shit, like any budget tablet.


A Kindle is a better device than a budget tablet, and while nowhere near as powerful or capable of multiple things, it has a perfect display type for what it is used for, and due to that, far better battery life that makes it easier to not worry about battery life when on extended trips away from charging opportunities.

Sure, it may have a single purpose compared to what tablets offer, but consider that sometimes a better one-purpose device will outshine any multi-purpose device that may cost even more, as well as those that are cheaper.

IF, of course, that single purpose is something you would like to do without distraction, a Kindle Paperwhite is perfect. If needing to save some, get the 2nd gen. It's perfectly readable. I'd like the latest one with higher PPI, but I'll be waiting awhile and likely will get an even better one a year or two down the road - I can't justify replying my 2nd gen Paperwhite.
 

destrekor

Lifer
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I use my Kindle several hours a day. It's two years old and as good as new. I use my tablet maybe an hour a week and in a year it will be outdated. I get a whole lot more value for the money from the Kindle. Plus they are regularly on sale, don't pay full list.

I still occasionally read paper books-heck I'm a former library board member and I donate money every year to the library-but it seems so awkward now.

And then there's that.

Sure, Kindles aren't powerful. But, they are powerful enough to do what they need to do. Because of that, they will have a far longer useful life than a tablet of any budget. eReaders get faster with new releases, sure, but if you use a new one and use yours, it won't be a drastic difference. If you use a recent tablet and only have an older tablet to compare against, you'll become very agitated, at least, that's the average response. Plus, like computers, they get slower with age and need to be completely refreshed if you want to return to the original performance - eReaders don't suffer that.