New Jersey tries to scare away millionaires using Marylands tactics

Specop 007

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Imagine that. If you try to take more money from 1 group of people to help another group then the first group may just decide to up and leave. You can only steal from the rich for so long before one of two things will happen. Either the rich run out of money for the social programs or they say screw it and just flat out move.

Good luck New Jersey. I hope you end up even worse off than Maryland for trying to steal even more money from "65,000" to help the completely fucking worthless "600,000".

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=alZlDbna7Ogg

New Jersey Lawmakers Pass Millionaire Tax; Veto Looms (Update3)
By Terrence Dopp

May 20 (Bloomberg) -- Lawmakers in New Jersey’s Democrat- controlled Assembly voted to raise income taxes on residents earning at least $1 million a year, as Republican Governor Chris Christie said he’d veto the bill.

The chamber passed the measure 46-32 in a vote that broke down along party lines. Of 33 Republicans, 32 voted no. The Senate approved the bill 23-17 along party lines, setting up a showdown with Christie, 47, as the deadline approaches to have a balanced budget in place when the fiscal year ends on June 30.

“We’ve got a lot of people who can’t afford to pay their taxes” and need the rebates that the measure may restore, Assembly Speaker Sheila Oliver said before the vote. “Six- hundred thousand older adults would be better off.”

Democrats hold a 47-33 majority in the Assembly and a 23-17 edge in the Senate. While controlling both chambers, they lack the two-thirds majority needed to override a Christie veto without cooperation from Republican lawmakers.

The temporary tax increase is projected to reap $637 million in revenue that Democrats may use to eliminate cuts to senior programs proposed by Christie, including restoration of property-tax rebates for about 600,000 residents. The governor’s $29.3 billion budget contains $10 billion in spending cuts, including $820 million from school aid, and puts off a $3 billion pension payment.

‘Defining Moment’

“This is a defining moment -- it seems to me to be all about taxes, taxes and taxes,” Assembly Minority Leader Alex DeCroce, a Republican from Parsippany, said during more than an hour of floor debate before the vote. Referring to Democrats, he said, “that’s all you guys do.”

About 16,000 New Jersey tax filers have incomes of more than $1 million, legislators said during the Assembly debate. That’s less than 1 percent of the state’s 3.9 million total.

“I don’t have an issue with millionaires, I just have an issue with people not sharing in the sacrifice,” said Senate President Stephen Sweeney, a Democrat from West Deptford. “Those 16,000 people can help 600,000.”

Christie yesterday said he planned to restore the $55.5 million in cuts he proposed to the Pharmaceuticals for the Aged and Disabled program without raising taxes.

Democrats also sent Christie a separate measure that pares a pending $1 billion increase in the state business tax that supports unemployment benefits. The bill limits the increase, set to take effect July 1, to $300 million.

The measure passed by both chambers also omits cuts in jobless benefits sought by Christie and Republican lawmakers.




And Marylands results...

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124329282377252471.html

Millionaires Go Missing
Maryland's fleeced taxpayers fight back.

Here's a two-minute drill in soak-the-rich economics:

Maryland couldn't balance its budget last year, so the state tried to close the shortfall by fleecing the wealthy. Politicians in Annapolis created a millionaire tax bracket, raising the top marginal income-tax rate to 6.25%. And because cities such as Baltimore and Bethesda also impose income taxes, the state-local tax rate can go as high as 9.45%. Governor Martin O'Malley, a dedicated class warrior, declared that these richest 0.3% of filers were "willing and able to pay their fair share." The Baltimore Sun predicted the rich would "grin and bear it."

One year later, nobody's grinning. One-third of the millionaires have disappeared from Maryland tax rolls. In 2008 roughly 3,000 million-dollar income tax returns were filed by the end of April. This year there were 2,000, which the state comptroller's office concedes is a "substantial decline." On those missing returns, the government collects 6.25% of nothing. Instead of the state coffers gaining the extra $106 million the politicians predicted, millionaires paid $100 million less in taxes than they did last year -- even at higher rates.

No doubt the majority of that loss in millionaire filings results from the recession. However, this is one reason that depending on the rich to finance government is so ill-advised: Progressive tax rates create mountains of cash during good times that vanish during recessions. For evidence, consult California, New York and New Jersey (see here).

The Maryland state revenue office says it's "way too early" to tell how many millionaires moved out of the state when the tax rates rose. But no one disputes that some rich filers did leave. It's easier than the redistributionists think. Christopher Summers, president of the Maryland Public Policy Institute, notes: "Marylanders with high incomes typically own second homes in tax friendlier states like Florida, Delaware, South Carolina and Virginia. So it's easy for them to change their residency."

All of this means that the burden of paying for bloated government in Annapolis will fall on the middle class. Thanks to the futility of soaking the rich, these working families will now pay Mr. O'Malley's "fair share."
 

Lemon law

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Let us tax our millionares equally across all 50 States, and tell them all to pay their fair share our get the hell out of the country. And even if they can move their residence easily, such millionares may find moving their assets out of State is not quite as easy.
 

Genx87

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Let us tax our millionares equally across all 50 States, and tell them all to pay their fair share our get the hell out of the country. And even if they can move their residence easily, such millionares may find moving their assets out of State is not quite as easy.

Each state sets their own tax rates. Some are dumb as rocks. Others not so much. Who do you think will benefit more? And why would a Florida and Nevada who attract many many people with their 0 income tax rate want to penalize themselves because Maryland and Jew Jersey are run by morons?
 

MotF Bane

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Let us tax our millionares equally across all 50 States, and tell them all to pay their fair share our get the hell out of the country. And even if they can move their residence easily, such millionares may find moving their assets out of State is not quite as easy.

Let's not make the answer to every question to expand government, increase spending, and raise taxes.
 

Hacp

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Let us tax our millionares equally across all 50 States, and tell them all to pay their fair share our get the hell out of the country. And even if they can move their residence easily, such millionares may find moving their assets out of State is not quite as easy.

So 49% of states tax at 3%, then one state will be smart and tax at 1% and reap all the millionaires :D.
 

Acanthus

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Each state sets their own tax rates. Some are dumb as rocks. Others not so much. Who do you think will benefit more? And why would a Florida and Nevada who attract many many people with their 0 income tax rate want to penalize themselves because Maryland and Jew Jersey are run by morons?

Slight discrepancies between those states. Slight.
 

bfdd

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Let us tax our millionares equally across all 50 States, and tell them all to pay their fair share our get the hell out of the country. And even if they can move their residence easily, such millionares may find moving their assets out of State is not quite as easy.

My idea of fair share is everyone paying the same amount or the same percentage. You pick. Anything else really isn't "fair share" now is it?
 

nageov3t

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the NJ governor has a line-item veto, so if he doesn't want the tax to pass, it's not going to.
 

Double Trouble

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I try not to be too jaded and too cynical, but is there any other way to see this kind of stuff as simple class warfare? Do democrats in legislature ever think of anything but increasing taxes?
 

Ronstang

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I try not to be too jaded and too cynical, but is there any other way to see this kind of stuff as simple class warfare? Do democrats in legislature ever think of anything but increasing taxes?

Democrats are very creative when it comes to getting into trouble but they are a one trick pony when it comes to solution time.
 

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I don’t have an issue with millionaires, I just have an issue with people not sharing in the sacrifice,” said Senate President Stephen Sweeney, a Democrat from West Deptford. “Those 16,000 people can help 600,000.”

I can't tell you how sick that makes me feel. Hey Sweeney maybe those 600,000 wouldn't be so bad off if they didn't have to pay for your bloated pension programs and out of control spending for the last 10 years you stupid fuck.
 
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Each state sets their own tax rates. Some are dumb as rocks. Others not so much. Who do you think will benefit more? And why would a Florida and Nevada who attract many many people with their 0 income tax rate want to penalize themselves because Maryland and Jew Jersey are run by morons?

Jew Jersey? Is there something you are trying to say about Jewish people?
 

Corn

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Jew Jersey? Is there something you are trying to say about Jewish people?

If the J and the N weren't right next to each other on the keyboard then you probably wouldn't be a complete fucking moron. But they are and you're just another brain dead lefty race baiting fucktard. Congratulations.
 

bfdd

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I don’t have an issue with millionaires, I just have an issue with people not sharing in the sacrifice,” said Senate President Stephen Sweeney, a Democrat from West Deptford. “Those 16,000 people can help 600,000.”

I can't tell you how sick that makes me feel. Hey Sweeney maybe those 600,000 wouldn't be so bad off if they didn't have to pay for your bloated pension programs and out of control spending for the last 10 years you stupid fuck.

Not to mention who cares if those 16,000 can help those 600,000. That should be up to the 16,000 to decide if they want to help the 600,000 they should not be forced to. Also what does he mean "sharing in the sacrifice" what sacrifice? I see a bunch of people who put in a lot of time and effort to get where they are as far as I'm concerned they've already sacrificed.
 

Zebo

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I don't see the big deal, the only millionaires in NJ are retired state workers.
 

werepossum

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If the J and the N weren't right next to each other on the keyboard then you probably wouldn't be a complete fucking moron. But they are and you're just another brain dead lefty race baiting fucktard. Congratulations.

Jeez, dude, visit your happy place! That wasn't even a flame, he just pointed out a humorous typo.
 

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Christie vetoed this 2 minutes after passage:

N.J. Gov. Chris Christie swiftly vetoes 'millionaires tax,' property tax rebate bills

TRENTON — It took about two minutes from the time Senate President Steve Sweeney certified the passage of the millionaires tax package for Gov. Chris Christie to veto the bills at his desk.

"While I have little doubt that the sponsors and supporters of this bill sincerely believe that the state can tax its way out of this financial crisis, I believe that this bill does nothing more than repeat the failed, irresponsible and unsustainable fiscal policies of the past," wrote Christie in his veto statement. "Now is not the time for more of the same. Ultimately, another tax increase will punish the state’s struggling small businesses and set our economy further back from recovery."

http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2010/05/nj_gov_christie_vetoes_million.html
 

Double Trouble

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Thumbs Up for Gov. Christie. If a hammer is the only tool you have, then every problem looks like a nail. If you think more government spending is the solution to everything, then increased taxed and fees is your answer to every problem.
 

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“I don’t have an issue with millionaires, I just have an issue with people not sharing in the sacrifice,” said Senate President Stephen Sweeney, a Democrat from West Deptford. “Those 16,000 people can help 600,000.”

I see this stuff, and I wonder how Dems rarely get critized as the party trying to force its morality on others. Forcing others to be charitable against their will certainly appears to be playing morality police.
 

PokerGuy

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I see this stuff, and I wonder how Dems rarely get critized as the party trying to force its morality on others. Forcing others to be charitable against their will certainly appears to be playing morality police.

No no no silly. In liberal doublespeak, forcing charity and morality on someone is called "making them pay their fair share".

The MD example confirms what any rational person would assume: if you make the tax environment hostile to those who are successful, they are going to have an incentive to find another place to go. Take note CA, NY etc, you keep vilifying and punishing the successful to reward the lazy, it's going to backfire.
 

Hacp

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No no no silly. In liberal doublespeak, forcing charity and morality on someone is called "making them pay their fair share".

The MD example confirms what any rational person would assume: if you make the tax environment hostile to those who are successful, they are going to have an incentive to find another place to go. Take note CA, NY etc, you keep vilifying and punishing the successful to reward the lazy, it's going to backfire.

Exactly! I'm tired of states taking money from the productive people of society so they can hand it out to people who didn't bother to complete high school.