nitromullet
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Not to be too nitpicky, but I think the top card is a 6800GT, not a 6600GT. If you'll notice, it is an AGP card, and IIRC the 6600GT's have their gpu tilted at a 45 degree angle because of the bridge chip. My guess is to show the size defference, which doesn't appear to be too great although the 6800's are already quite large.
Saint Nick
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gsellis
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You got it! I did a quick search because I wanted to mention some underpowered pipe number, but all I got was marketing fluff terms.Originally posted by: Jeff7181
no...
XGI: "here's our 4 pipeline, 48-bit color, PCI-X card with proprietary video out ports, it's only $6,999"
Ok, so Nvidia will have the upperhand for a few months...not good for ATI...they might possibly have to cut down pipelines and release it earlier...I dunno...
Either way, people will like the G70 better because it's cheaper and out earlier. ATI should be doing something about this besides releasing a 32 pipeline card later...then again, doesnt ATI usually outperform Nvidia in most games? Both cards should support the same features (shader models, etc) but it looks like ATI will have the advantage after a while...
i dunno, i don't care...i'll just pick up a PS3 and be happy...
Either way, people will like the G70 better because it's cheaper and out earlier. ATI should be doing something about this besides releasing a 32 pipeline card later...then again, doesnt ATI usually outperform Nvidia in most games? Both cards should support the same features (shader models, etc) but it looks like ATI will have the advantage after a while...
i dunno, i don't care...i'll just pick up a PS3 and be happy...
i've seen several articles that seem to confirm that ATI is having serious problems with R520. Apparently the product taped out in OCTOBER, yet they are still far from release. The word is that they physically have 32 pipes, but they can only seem to reliably run 16 at the moment.
Additionally, if it does indeed contain unified shaders, as does the R500 XBox 360 chip (a 24 pipe chip, btw), then that changes the comparison dramatically. A 16 pipe solution, for example, might actaully be slower than current X800 series chips, since it has 16 pipes INCLUDING its vertex shaders. So, even if ATI's unified pipelines are more efficient than non-unified designs, you still have to take into account the TOTAL number of pipes when comparing. A 32-pipe R520 has the same number of total pipes as a 7800GTX (24 pixel + 8 vertex). The only difference is whether or not the unified architecture is more efficient - it might be, but i don't think it will make a very big difference, at least until the ratio of vertex shader ops gets to be close to that of pixel shader ops.
I think it will shake out like so - nvidia will be launching the 7800 series this month. Assuming delays getting them into the channel (although nvidia has gotten remarkably better at this with launches like the 6600GT, compared to ATI's X850 and X700XT problems), people will get their hands on boards sometime in july, maybe august. ATI may release a 24-pipe part within the august-september timeframe, but it may or may not be feasible, since it only makes sense if the pipelines are not unified (i.e. 24+8, not 24 total), or if the unified architecture brings big boosts, or if clockspeeds are up significantly. Either way, the full fledged 32-pipe bad boy will probably not show its head till october. When it does launch, nvidia already has a spot ready for its 7800 Ultra, which I'm sure will be clocked just high enough to compete with ATI's top R520. So it's looking like nvidia is going to be in much better shape to regain marketshare this time around, especially if they come out with solid $200-300 offerings like last time around.
Additionally, if it does indeed contain unified shaders, as does the R500 XBox 360 chip (a 24 pipe chip, btw), then that changes the comparison dramatically. A 16 pipe solution, for example, might actaully be slower than current X800 series chips, since it has 16 pipes INCLUDING its vertex shaders. So, even if ATI's unified pipelines are more efficient than non-unified designs, you still have to take into account the TOTAL number of pipes when comparing. A 32-pipe R520 has the same number of total pipes as a 7800GTX (24 pixel + 8 vertex). The only difference is whether or not the unified architecture is more efficient - it might be, but i don't think it will make a very big difference, at least until the ratio of vertex shader ops gets to be close to that of pixel shader ops.
I think it will shake out like so - nvidia will be launching the 7800 series this month. Assuming delays getting them into the channel (although nvidia has gotten remarkably better at this with launches like the 6600GT, compared to ATI's X850 and X700XT problems), people will get their hands on boards sometime in july, maybe august. ATI may release a 24-pipe part within the august-september timeframe, but it may or may not be feasible, since it only makes sense if the pipelines are not unified (i.e. 24+8, not 24 total), or if the unified architecture brings big boosts, or if clockspeeds are up significantly. Either way, the full fledged 32-pipe bad boy will probably not show its head till october. When it does launch, nvidia already has a spot ready for its 7800 Ultra, which I'm sure will be clocked just high enough to compete with ATI's top R520. So it's looking like nvidia is going to be in much better shape to regain marketshare this time around, especially if they come out with solid $200-300 offerings like last time around.
Gamingphreek
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You just brought up a very good point. Although rumor has it that ATI will not use unified shaders until R600 if they used it this year that would put them right on par with Nvidia's specs. 24 Pixel Pipelines 8 Vertex Shaders. Of course there is the added benefit of the shaders being unified.
It will be very interesting to see how this plays out.
-Kevin
It will be very interesting to see how this plays out.
-Kevin
Aside from SLI, the X850xt is the fastest GPU available. Winning in almost ALL games..
I can't wait for the G70/R520... Both will be great chips.. Can't wait to pick between the two.
Well, I was interested in upgrading my comp this summer, but now with the immenent release of the G70, I am most definately going to wait. I really really hope it going to be released in June. June 21 or 22 is not this wednesday but next. There is no sense in putting a new card in now.
I mean, come on, this is what the PS3 is going to use in their console( Or some form of it), and it supposedly will rival the Xbox 360 in graphical prowess. I think it's going to rock.
Right now I have a 9800 Pro, so I am eagerly awaiting this new G70. Hopefully, they will release it soon. I can't wait until August for a release. I need a card for some summer gaming. Come on Nvidia! I'll be the first in line for the G70. That is if it settles into the current price points nicely. I can see $400 for the second in line, and oc'ing it to the top. That would rock.
I mean, come on, this is what the PS3 is going to use in their console( Or some form of it), and it supposedly will rival the Xbox 360 in graphical prowess. I think it's going to rock.
Right now I have a 9800 Pro, so I am eagerly awaiting this new G70. Hopefully, they will release it soon. I can't wait until August for a release. I need a card for some summer gaming. Come on Nvidia! I'll be the first in line for the G70. That is if it settles into the current price points nicely. I can see $400 for the second in line, and oc'ing it to the top. That would rock.
From what I've heard the G70 in the console is completely different and usually referred to as NVIDIA RSX. I think it has on-board DRAM and more ALUs.
I see. It's still gonna rock. What's the tentative date for release? Is it looking grim? Or is it pretty set on the June/Early July?
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