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DreXP

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Hey I just ordered the VGA MSI|FX5900XT-VTD128 8X 128MB RT

Does anybody else have this card or know anything about it? I have read some good reviews online but I figure this is probably the best place to ask.
 
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nRollo

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Originally posted by: icyredsol8181
send it back and get a 6800 gt(leadtek)
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I'm just guessing here, but it's not very likely a guy that just bought a $180 card is going to return it and buy a $400 card? :roll:

Shady is right though, the man that has $180 to spend should have bought a 9800Pro, at least till the 6600GT AGP comes out.
 
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DreXP

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I liked the card very much. Ignore all these people about the Radeon. That card will NEVER match up to the 5900XT. My roommate ordered a 9800 because of what they told me in this topic. I talked to my uncle who has been working with computers for 15 years and is Microsoft certified. He told me that Nvidia is much more reliable and stable. Also, they provide better drivers than Ati. I should also mention that after my roommate saw the performance difference in his card and mine while playing Doom 3, he sent his back and got the 5900XT like mine. In another topic I wrote in, someone told me not to expect more than medium quality at 800x600 in doom 3. I set it to the max settings and played it at 1024x768. My average Framerate was 42 FPS. Believe me, you will be much happier with the 5900Xt, or any other nVidia card versus an ATi card. Better drivers and better performance.
 
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Elcs

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Originally posted by: DreXP
I liked the card very much. Ignore all these people about the Radeon. That card will NEVER match up to the 5900XT. My roommate ordered a 9800 because of what they told me in this topic. I talked to my uncle who has been working with computers for 15 years and is Microsoft certified. He told me that Nvidia is much more reliable and stable. Also, they provide better drivers than Ati. I should also mention that after my roommate saw the performance difference in his card and mine while playing Doom 3, he sent his back and got the 5900XT like mine. In another topic I wrote in, someone told me not to expect more than medium quality at 800x600 in doom 3. I set it to the max settings and played it at 1024x768. My average Framerate was 42 FPS. Believe me, you will be much happier with the 5900Xt, or any other nVidia card versus an ATi card. Better drivers and better performance.
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I know plenty of people on these boards that are happier with 9800P's than 5900XT's and vice-versa.

Id recommend the 9800Pro because I personally chose it over Nvidias offerings and I havent regretted my decision thus far.
 
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Bateluer

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Originally posted by: DreXP
I liked the card very much. Ignore all these people about the Radeon. That card will NEVER match up to the 5900XT. My roommate ordered a 9800 because of what they told me in this topic. I talked to my uncle who has been working with computers for 15 years and is Microsoft certified. He told me that Nvidia is much more reliable and stable. Also, they provide better drivers than Ati. I should also mention that after my roommate saw the performance difference in his card and mine while playing Doom 3, he sent his back and got the 5900XT like mine. In another topic I wrote in, someone told me not to expect more than medium quality at 800x600 in doom 3. I set it to the max settings and played it at 1024x768. My average Framerate was 42 FPS. Believe me, you will be much happier with the 5900Xt, or any other nVidia card versus an ATi card. Better drivers and better performance.
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Must be on the Nvidia Payroll. :p A 'Microsoft Certification' is a crack jack certification. I 'could' be MS certified, but didn't have the cash to fork out to take the tests. :p

The 5900XT was not meant to compete with the 9800 Pro, if memory serves. The 9800 Pro competed on even footing with the 5900U in the last vidcard generation. The 5900XT was a more 'bang for the buck' oriented card.

ATI's drivers have made tremedous strikes since Catalyst debuted, IMO, haven't had any problems with drivers on my desktop's old 9600 Pro or the 9600 Pro Mobile thats in my notebook with now.

Doom 3 is one of the few games in which the 5900XT will outperform a 9800 Pro, even with the performance boost afford by the Cat 4.9s. But hey, if you like your card and Doom 3's your game, then congrats on the purchase.
 
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Corporate Thug

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Originally posted by: DreXP
I liked the card very much. Ignore all these people about the Radeon. That card will NEVER match up to the 5900XT. My roommate ordered a 9800 because of what they told me in this topic. I talked to my uncle who has been working with computers for 15 years and is Microsoft certified. He told me that Nvidia is much more reliable and stable. Also, they provide better drivers than Ati. I should also mention that after my roommate saw the performance difference in his card and mine while playing Doom 3, he sent his back and got the 5900XT like mine. In another topic I wrote in, someone told me not to expect more than medium quality at 800x600 in doom 3. I set it to the max settings and played it at 1024x768. My average Framerate was 42 FPS. Believe me, you will be much happier with the 5900Xt, or any other nVidia card versus an ATi card. Better drivers and better performance.
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a. the 9800 pro is on average faster than a 5900XT so making a comment like "That card will NEVER match up to the 5900XT" raises a red flag telling me you dont know a whole lot about the subject. this of course coming from a person who has USED BOTH CARDS

b. Microsoft certifications means NOTHING. repeat: NOTHING

c. nvidia provides better drivers, you are correct on that issue

d. we all know doom 3 favors Nvidia cards. have you seen benchies for FARCRY, UT2K4, etc?
 
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Rio Rebel

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Originally posted by: DreXP
I liked the card very much. Ignore all these people about the Radeon. That card will NEVER match up to the 5900XT. My roommate ordered a 9800 because of what they told me in this topic. I talked to my uncle who has been working with computers for 15 years and is Microsoft certified. He told me that Nvidia is much more reliable and stable. Also, they provide better drivers than Ati. I should also mention that after my roommate saw the performance difference in his card and mine while playing Doom 3, he sent his back and got the 5900XT like mine. In another topic I wrote in, someone told me not to expect more than medium quality at 800x600 in doom 3. I set it to the max settings and played it at 1024x768. My average Framerate was 42 FPS. Believe me, you will be much happier with the 5900Xt, or any other nVidia card versus an ATi card. Better drivers and better performance.
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Sounds like you already formed your opinion, so why ask here?

Bottom line: Talk to your uncle if you need advice about a 15 year old part. Come here if you want advice about current video cards.

I have been working with computers for a long time myself, and currently work for a fortune 500 corporation in their IT dept. I probably make more money - working with computers - than 90% of the guys who post here. But when I want information about current generation video cards, I come here. They know more than I do about it.

But in the end, I don't make purchases based on anyone's opinion alone. I look first at benchmarks, then educated opinions. If you look at the benchmarks, you'll see that the 9800pro is a clearly better card than the 5900xt unless you are purely focused on playing Doom III.

Enjoy your card. It's not a bad card, and you spent WAY less than many folks here, so enjoy your card and don't worry about what other people have. :)
 
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PrayForDeath

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The 9800Pro is faster than 5900XT in 95% of the games, actually I don't recall any game that runs faster on 5900XT, even Doom III runs faster on 9800Pro.
And as Bateluer said, the 9800Pro was never meant to compete with the 5900XT, so there's no comparison between these cards.
And I haven't had a single problem with Catalysts and with my Pro, and I have experience with both drivers and I must say they're both stable ATM.
And you said your roommate bought the 9800 NP or Pro?
 
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Gamingphreek

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Well the 9800Pro was never meant to compete but i would say closer to 85-90%. The 5900XT still wins some other games, plus games at low res with no AF. However i have this card and you can make it to 450 x 810 without artifacts. I made it to 850 but i got some light artifacts, so i assume i would have to do a BIOS update to get it to run at that speed. It is the fastest 5900XT you can buy... however you should have bought the MSI RX9800Pro which is a better card. Youll be happy with this one, but the 9800Pro's are better.

-Kevin
 
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nRollo

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Microsoft certifications means NOTHING. repeat: NOTHING
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Have to disagree with you there Shady. Given equal experience/skill, certified will earn more. For first interviews, certified will get more. It's the same as college degrees, a way to show you've been learned and been tested at something.

Obviously there are certified people who aren't proficient, and vice versa. HR isn't proficient in areas of technical expertise, so "I set up/maintain a network" isn't as good to them as "I set up/maintain a network and am a MSCE".
 
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Gamingphreek

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Yeah.... if you have an MCSE people will really want you to work for them.... hell even an MCSP is good. Yeah somepeople still have no idea what there talking about, for instance...

My grandmother had a cable modem installed and she watched the guy (she knows nothing about computers), and she sees the guy jamming things in the PC (i felt tears in my eyes when i heard this ;) ) She told him she doesn't think thats right and the guy went into a long list of degrees and crap. Well her computer wouldn't fire up and he left because he needed a part. Well she called me over and i opened up the ol PC. I screamed, the Nic card was an ISA card jammed into a PCI slot, so 1 card ruined, then she had a Geforce 2 Ultra w/VIVO, well the VGA passthrough conenctor had a serial connector jammed in it. Tried the card FRIED. Well i was quite ticked off as was my uncle because he lost a decent video card (about a year ago).

Basically saying yeah MCSE means a lot but somepeople who say it probably
a. have no idea what there talking about.
b. are lying
c. trying to be a cool microsoft employee :p

-Kevin
 
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rogue1979

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I have to comment on this.

I liked the card very much. Ignore all these people about the Radeon. That card will NEVER match up to the 5900XT. My roommate ordered a 9800 because of what they told me in this topic. I talked to my uncle who has been working with computers for 15 years and is Microsoft certified. He told me that Nvidia is much more reliable and stable. Also, they provide better drivers than Ati. I should also mention that after my roommate saw the performance difference in his card and mine while playing Doom 3, he sent his back and got the 5900XT like mine. In another topic I wrote in, someone told me not to expect more than medium quality at 800x600 in doom 3. I set it to the max settings and played it at 1024x768. My average Framerate was 42 FPS. Believe me, you will be much happier with the 5900Xt, or any other nVidia card versus an ATi card. Better drivers and better performance.

My wife and I own and operate a computer repair store and occasionally I get people fresh out of college looking for work.

They claim that they have Microsoft and A+ Certification. I can ask them ten easy common sense questions about basic hardware troubleshooting and they can't answer most of them.

Thank god my wife and my 13-year old daughter know ten times more than they do. We are way too busy for me to handle the workload by myself.

Back to the original topic.

The 5900XT may indeed play Doom3 better but there is no question that the Radeon 9800 Pro is faster in just about everything else.

There is nothing wrong with Radeon drivers, although I do prefer Nvidia myself.
 
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Rio Rebel

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Between my last two cards, a GF4 4400 and a Radeon 9600pro, I have had more success with the Radeon drivers. But I usually get the latest drivers whenever I install the card or re-install the OS.
 
Bateluer

Bateluer

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One more thing, ATI's on a 1 month driver schedule, Nvidia is on a 3 month to 6 month schedule with oodles of leakes betas.
 
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gwag

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who cares both cards play games well, the 5900Xt is a good card, mine overclocked to 5950U speeds (flashed with a 5950 bios) 20% faster I I could really tell the dif unless running benchmarks. if you lack speed download coolbits and see what it can do. something is always gone beat something.
 
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caz67

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I prefer Nvidia myself..However both cards are very good for the price range.
 
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Greg04

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"Bottom line: Talk to your uncle if you need advice about a 15 year old part. Come here if you want advice about current video cards."

Ouch, sounds like the "my ______ is an expert because ______" doesn't fly around here.
 
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Originally posted by: DreXP
I liked the card very much. Ignore all these people about the Radeon. That card will NEVER match up to the 5900XT. My roommate ordered a 9800 because of what they told me in this topic. I talked to my uncle who has been working with computers for 15 years and is Microsoft certified. He told me that Nvidia is much more reliable and stable. Also, they provide better drivers than Ati. I should also mention that after my roommate saw the performance difference in his card and mine while playing Doom 3, he sent his back and got the 5900XT like mine. In another topic I wrote in, someone told me not to expect more than medium quality at 800x600 in doom 3. I set it to the max settings and played it at 1024x768. My average Framerate was 42 FPS. Believe me, you will be much happier with the 5900Xt, or any other nVidia card versus an ATi card. Better drivers and better performance.

I got an ati 9800pro 256 and flashed it to an xt. I have been back and forth with ati vs nvidia since the mx440 and have always found ati cards better, they are stable and driver support is on par with nvidia. all ati drivers are msql certified also I think.
 
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