New Gaming/Vid Encoding/3d Max Rendering Rig

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Originally posted by: x471x
http://secure.newegg.com/NewVersion/Wis...128&WishListTitle=Soon%20to%20be%20rig

Plz give me ur opinions.

A few notes:
-Im using an old server tower that I took from work.
-SLI is way too expensive for me.
-Ive already made my decision on Intel, its better for the stuff I do, so no pro-AMD flamewars.
-I have a Asetek waterchill watercooler.
-Thats about it.


Thx in advance.


I wouldn't state that the Intel dualcore you selected is better at video enoding/games/3DS Max than the AMD X2 and not expect a flame war because it isn't, LOL.

Almost three hundred dollars for a motherboard? WOW.

That should definitely be one kickbutt system. Just make sure you overclock that badboy:D I expect reports back of your overclocking experience!
 

Fullmetal Chocobo

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Nice. I just had to check to make sure that mobo wasn't a EATX mobo, because they don't fix it many normal cases well. Rendering in 3DS Max eh? R7? Or an earlier version? I'm interesting in seeing what all you are going to be doing, as I do rendering myself. Hobby only type stuff, but I'd like to benchmark your system to mine, to see if I should upgrade actually... PM me, if you don't mind.
Tas.
 

x471x

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Hey thx for all the feedback, and I will be sure to OC the shiznit out of it. Oh and im using R7 to do stuff for fun and share on DA, ill be sure to PM u after work.
 

svi

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Those LED fans aren't that great, and they're much too expensive for what they are. Get some Panaflos, NMB ball-bearing units, or Yate Loons. The same goes for the Vantec; you shouldn't be spending that much on such mediocre fans.

That PSU is unnecessary and overpriced. If you really want a lot of power for your system, get a 400W or 500W Zippy/emacs (PCP&C PSUs are produced by Zippy). It will deliver more power than that "680W" TT, certainly more than you could possibly use.

5.1 headsets are gimmicks. Get a normal stereo headset, or if you don't need a mic get good stereo headphones.

Do you really need an A2ZS _PLATINUM_? It's insanely overpriced.

On the Intel system: that motherboard is just ridiculously expensive. NOM, but... do you actually want/need each and every one of the features it offers, or do you just want something expensive? If you don't need the "premium" label, you should be able to get the same or better functionality with add-on devices and save cash too.

jooc, what speakers do you plan to use with that receiver?
 

Quasmo

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heres your problem... Go ATA on those DVD burners you can get the NEC 3250A? for $43 I bought two of them. You're motherboard is going to have 2 ATA slots you might as well use them. If you're trying to maintain that budget dont get that headset, it sucks anyway. Get a pair of HD-280pros for that price and a external mic. Also if you're using Those thermaltake 120mm fans you're not going to need a fan controller, they are so damn quiet I can only hear my PSU fan (I use two Thermaltake 120mm sleve fans) goto lowed or Home depot and get rubber washers to put on the screws to make them more silent. That brings me to your power supply, you might want to do yourself a favor and go with an Antec TruePower 550 that is SLi ready. It'll be good to have down the line when you want to upgrade your video car. Also if you still want a fan controller, Antec offers a PSU called the True controll which allows you to controll your fans from Antecs propreitary 5.25 drive bay accessory.
 

x471x

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Originally posted by: svi
Those LED fans aren't that great, and they're much too expensive for what they are. Get some Panaflos, NMB ball-bearing units, or Yate Loons. The same goes for the Vantec; you shouldn't be spending that much on such mediocre fans.

That PSU is unnecessary and overpriced. If you really want a lot of power for your system, get a 400W or 500W Zippy/emacs (PCP&C PSUs are produced by Zippy). It will deliver more power than that "680W" TT, certainly more than you could possibly use.

5.1 headsets are gimmicks. Get a normal stereo headset, or if you don't need a mic get good stereo headphones.

Do you really need an A2ZS _PLATINUM_? It's insanely overpriced.

On the Intel system: that motherboard is just ridiculously expensive. NOM, but... do you actually want/need each and every one of the features it offers, or do you just want something expensive? If you don't need the "premium" label, you should be able to get the same or better functionality with add-on devices and save cash too.

jooc, what speakers do you plan to use with that receiver?


The LED fans are for the top of my watercooler radiator to make it look cool, and the Vantec fans arent medicore from what I heard, they push 84 cfms of air each.

I saw a review for that PSU on http://www.gruntville.com and it said that it was the most stable PSU that he had reviewed, although ill look into the other PSU's that u suggested.

From the reviews on newegg, they said that it was a "TRUE 5.1" headset with 4 actual speakers in each earcup, not simulated 5.1, but hey, ill look into the senheissers too. The platinum im getting for the optical out for my reciever and for the baybus cause I want to plug my guitar into my computer.

The features on the board I really need, hell i picked this board cause it came with the TV tuner cause i split the signal from my parents box. I need the sata II b/c im building a raid array with the WD sata II drives for all of my movies and multimedia, plus the 955x chipset is optimized for the dualcores from what ive heard.

Oh and for the reciever i have 4 Yamaha 100 watt speakes for the side left/right and front left/right, and 2 Dual 280 watt DJ speakers for my rear channels with a Onkyo subwoofer, center channel im still looking into.

As for the price, im not planning to upgrade this thing for a while and im taking everything (yes even the speakers and amp) to college.

thx for the feedback.
 

KoolDrew

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That RAm is a waste of money. Get some Value RAm and get 2GB of it. It would be cheaper and much more benefitial.
 

x471x

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Originally posted by: KoolDrew
That RAm is a waste of money. Get some Value RAm and get 2GB of it. It would be cheaper and much more benefitial.



Define "benefitial"
 

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Ive used a couple Dual Core Pentium D systems (830 and 820) and I must say that they suck. They multitask, but its like 1 cpu bogs down a lot, then there's another one free for something else. Took 10 minutes to install a 150KB program, but I could do other things while that was taking forever. Things do open fast when you clean the XP install up, but I would go with the X2. Aside from that, looks to be a nice rig.
 

KoolDrew

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Originally posted by: x471x
Originally posted by: KoolDrew
That RAm is a waste of money. Get some Value RAm and get 2GB of it. It would be cheaper and much more benefitial.



Define "benefitial"

It would give you much better performance. The lower latency RAM will do very little for performance.
 

svi

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The LED fans are for the top of my watercooler radiator to make it look cool, and the Vantec fans arent medicore from what I heard, they push 84 cfms of air each.
The Vantec fans are obscenely loud, of mediocre QUALITY, and still overpriced even if you actually needed that much airflow per fan. You don't need that much airflow per fan, though, and it will not have a significant effect on anything except your blood pressure and wallet. And why are you getting so many fans if you're water-cooling?

LED fans look garish to me, and you're paying extra for lights and lower quality, but it's your call. I guess looks are subjective.


I saw a review for that PSU on http://www.gruntville.com and it said that it was the most stable PSU that he had reviewed, although ill look into the other PSU's that u suggested.
First thing: PSU reviews on mod sites are generally awful. The authors assume that a PSU that looks shiny and doesn't blow up must be great.

Sorry, that came out kind of spiteful. Seriously, though, reviews mean diddly squat. You don't need 680W of power for your system, you don't need to waste that much money on an overpriced ThermalTake unit that delivers average-quality power (nowhere near 680W of it, either).


From the reviews on newegg, they said that it was a "TRUE 5.1" headset with 4 actual speakers in each earcup, not simulated 5.1, but hey, ill look into the senheissers too. The platinum im getting for the optical out for my reciever and for the baybus cause I want to plug my guitar into my computer.
"True 5.1" is utter and total BS for headsets. 4 actual transducers in each cup is actually WORSE than one transducer per cup with surround sound processing. You see, headsets aren't like speakers, where each speaker is a source of sound affected by the area around it. There's nothing at all between the transducer and the ear with headphones, so you can play any kind of tricks with the transducers to replicate all-around noise. If you don't believe me, do a forum search for "binaural".

Do you plan on doing a lot of recording? If so, you might actually want to look at another or a different sound card.. Creative's Audigy line is really only good for gaming, tbh. There are also better choices for optical out, but I suppose if you want an A2ZS that's about that.


The features on the board I really need, hell i picked this board cause it came with the TV tuner cause i split the signal from my parents box. I need the sata II b/c im building a raid array with the WD sata II drives for all of my movies and multimedia, plus the 955x chipset is optimized for the dualcores from what ive heard.
You don't need a $300 board to get SATA-II. If you want a TV tuner, get a high-quality third-party one. There are many excellent reasonably-priced options out there, and they're probably cheaper and better and integrated.


It would give you much better performance. The lower latency RAM will do very little for performance.
qft.
 

Quasmo

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Originally posted by: KoolDrew
Originally posted by: x471x
Originally posted by: KoolDrew
That RAm is a waste of money. Get some Value RAm and get 2GB of it. It would be cheaper and much more benefitial.



Define "benefitial"

It would give you much better performance. The lower latency RAM will do very little for performance.

Only on the AMD machine... on the Intel machine he needs faster ram cause Intel CPUs are greatly affected by CL Rate
 

svi

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Only on the AMD machine... on the Intel machine he needs faster ram cause Intel CPUs are greatly affected by CL Rate
They are MORE affected. They are not greatly affected. "Greatly affected" implies that there is a large difference, when in reality the difference is less small.

Besides, what would make for better performance, an 830 with 2GB of high-end RAM or an X2 4200/4400 with 2GB of low-end RAM?
 

Quasmo

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Originally posted by: svi
Only on the AMD machine... on the Intel machine he needs faster ram cause Intel CPUs are greatly affected by CL Rate
They are MORE affected. They are not greatly affected. "Greatly affected" implies that there is a large difference, when in reality the difference is less small.

Besides, what would make for better performance, an 830 with 2GB of high-end RAM or an X2 4200/4400 with 2GB of low-end RAM?

I'll agree, my bad... But on your second question the answer is "The AMD would beat the crap out of the Intel", you can quote me on that.
 

x471x

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The Vantec fans are obscenely loud, of mediocre QUALITY, and still overpriced even if you actually needed that much airflow per fan. You don't need that much airflow per fan, though, and it will not have a significant effect on anything except your blood pressure and wallet. And why are you getting so many fans if you're water-cooling?

The case I have has no fans and I wanna fill all of the slots up, but ill look into some less pricey fans since I am watercooling, thx for the reminder lol.

First thing: PSU reviews on mod sites are generally awful. The authors assume that a PSU that looks shiny and doesn't blow up must be great.

Sorry, that came out kind of spiteful. Seriously, though, reviews mean diddly squat. You don't need 680W of power for your system, you don't need to waste that much money on an overpriced ThermalTake unit that delivers average-quality power (nowhere near 680W of it, either).

Did u read the review, the voltages stayed the same even under heavy load, but hey if it saves money ill go with a cheaper more efficient one.

"True 5.1" is utter and total BS for headsets. 4 actual transducers in each cup is actually WORSE than one transducer per cup with surround sound processing. You see, headsets aren't like speakers, where each speaker is a source of sound affected by the area around it. There's nothing at all between the transducer and the ear with headphones, so you can play any kind of tricks with the transducers to replicate all-around noise. If you don't believe me, do a forum search for "binaural".

Yea ive heard of sound emulation in the transducer to make it seem like its coming from different directions in the earcup. I guess ill go with a HQ senheisser headset and an external mic.

Do you plan on doing a lot of recording? If so, you might actually want to look at another or a different sound card.. Creative's Audigy line is really only good for gaming, tbh. There are also better choices for optical out, but I suppose if you want an A2ZS that's about that.

Ill be doing recording and gaming so it seems like a balanced choice.

You don't need a $300 board to get SATA-II. If you want a TV tuner, get a high-quality third-party one. There are many excellent reasonably-priced options out there, and they're probably cheaper and better and integrated.

*sigh* expansions cards IMO are a pain, but I do agree with the HQ TV tuner, i dont think the asus stock one will match up to specialized tuners.

If anyone can find me a 955x board thats decent than itll be much appreciated.

thx for the feedback.
 

svi

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The case I have has no fans and I wanna fill all of the slots up, but ill look into some less pricey fans since I am watercooling, thx for the reminder lol.
There's probably not much to cool in there, so just go with fans that won't bother you. Low-CFM, long-life units like Panaflo L1s and Yate Loon low-speeds are probably the best bet.. should provide more than enough airflow for the parts that aren't being water-cooled, and the noise won't bother you.


Did u read the review, the voltages stayed the same even under heavy load, but hey if it saves money ill go with a cheaper more efficient one.
The rails don't sag much under load according to his RS multimeter. You're right to think this is a good thing, and it means the PSU isn't a hunk of junk, but it says nothing about ripple or long-term reliability, or about how good QC is, or about how good other PSUs in the same or lower price bracket are.

There are really a LOT of good PSUs out there, and I just wouldn't pick that TT when there are so many better choices in its price range. Others will probably be happy to provide recommendations beyond Zippy.


Yea ive heard of sound emulation in the transducer to make it seem like its coming from different directions in the earcup. I guess ill go with a HQ senheisser headset and an external mic.
If you don't mind an unattached (clip-on, table-mount, whatever) mic, you have a LOT of worthwhile headphone choices. If you want a headset (integrated mic), the Sennheiser PC150 and PC160 are nice enough.


Ill be doing recording and gaming so it seems like a balanced choice.
Well, if you're gaming the Audigy 2 is THE choice. If you find yourself doing a lot of recording, though, you might want to look into a second sound card for recording. Just something to keep in mind.


*sigh* expansions cards IMO are a pain, but I do agree with the HQ TV tuner, i dont think the asus stock one will match up to specialized tuners.
They are a pain, but a worthwhile one. Besides, once all the part choices are made and the system is set up they can actually be less trouble.
 

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Do you really need a sound card if you have that receiver. The board supports hi def audio and has optical and dig coax outputs. I'd run one of the two to the receiver and have it do all the processing. Ditch the card and step up to the this HK receiver, if you really like HKs. Personally I'd go with a Denon, but that HK digital path receiver kicks butt too.

Edit: as for the 955x board, get the other one that asus has available. Same specs without the bloat.

Edit2: just saw you said you'd be doing recording, if so, forget my earlier comments about ditching the sound card.