New Gaming PC

imported_Meeks

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Long story short, I used to be into PC hardware pretty hardcore... managed a computer store; computers were my life. Well it's been 5+ years now and life has taken me down a different path, so I'm woefully out of touch with the latest PC hardware.

My primary gaming PC, which was once a beast, is now at the point where it will only play the latest games with cutting-edge graphics on the lowest settings. As a PC Gamer, this is not acceptable.

As such, I'd like to build a new PC and acquaint myself with some of the newer technologies.

* This computer will be used primarily for gaming. Other than that, just web-browsing, word processing, etc.

* My budget is flexible, but if I could keep everything under $800 that would be a plus. However, if I can squeeze out substantial performance by spending an additional $50, I'm going to do it. I'm looking for the point of diminishing returns here.

* I live in the US and plan to purchase everything online (I have purchased my personal computer parts almost exclusively from Newegg.com and will likely stick with them). I have a Frys nearby that I can go to as an alternative.

* I have no loyalty to any one manufacturer or company. AMD, Intel, nVidia, ATI, whatever... I want all the FPS I can get for my buck, regardless of the name printed on the box.

* I do intend to use a few items from my current system: Case, PSU, Monitor, OS, DVD-RW, mouse, keyboard. As such, my $800 budget does not include these items. I'm basically looking for the "guts" of the system.

* I'd like at least 6GB RAM and 1TB HDD.

* I've read similar threads here and on several other popular PC hardware websites. I've purchased every magazine I could find with info on the subject. I remembered finding very good advice here in the past, though, and will factor your thoughts in to my decisions very heavily. None of the other threads I came across covered a scenario quite like mine, so I opted to create a new thread for it.

* I likely won't overclock unless/until it becomes necessary to get a smooth 60 FPS out of my games down the line. But overclockability need not carry much weight.

* With the preceding point in mind, my plan was to buy a retail processor and simply use the stock fan/heatsink. This is one area where I certainly welcome your suggestions, however.

* I've been planning this for a couple months now and I'm ready to do this right away. That said, I won't pull the trigger until I know I've got it right.

* I currently plan to run games at my monitor's max resolution of 1680 x 1050. I will upgrade the monitor later, likely next year, and would like to be able to run higher resolutions when I do, without having to upgrade my video card.

I've played around with a couple configurations, one using an AMD Phenom II X4 955 Black Ed. and the other with the Intel i7 920. The latter was the more expensive option. But does the performance advantage justify the premium on price at this point? Should I be looking at a different solution entirely?

Don't feel obligated to necessarily post ideas for the entire system. If you have experience with just one or more areas I'm covering, please reply. Regardless, thanks for your input!
 

Lunyone

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I'd consider these options:
* AMD Phenom II x3 720, one of the best bang for the buck CPU's out there! Most games right now don't take much advantage of more than 2 cores and the 3rd in this case can be used for background files/stuff.
* Buy the best single GPU that you can afford. This will allow you to game better, especially when you upgrade your monitor resolution to >1680x1050.
* 4 gb's is all that you should need with an AMD system for now. 6 gb's is what I'd recommend with an i7 build, but that is out of this budget range.
* I wouldn't use your OLD PSU. It isn't built like they are now, unless you have a newer one?? If so, what do you have? I'd recommend the Corsair 650tx for starters, since it goes for about $100 shipped - $20 MIR = $80!! It has 52A on the 12v rail (which is where todays systems run most of the power hungry GPU's on). It also comes with 2 x 6+2pin (8 pin) PCI-e power connectors, you'll need them for your GPU.
* If you going to be using your own OS (not sure which one) and it's a 32 bit OS, 6 gb's is a major waste of $. If you have a 64 bit OS than that is a different story.

Okay so here is what I'd consider:
$259 - $15 MIR = $244!! AMD PhII x3 720/Asus 790gx mobo combo deal
$225 - $25 MIR = $200!! AMD 4890 1gb GPU
~$115 WD 1 TB Caviar Black HD
$70 shipped! Patriot Viper 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory - Retail
$95 - $20 MIR = $75!! CORSAIR CMPSU-650TX 650W ATX12V / EPS12V SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC Compatible with Core i7 Power Supply - Retail
~$100 COOLER MASTER RC-690-KKN1-GP Black SECC/ ABS ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail

Total ~$866 - $60 MIR's = $806!!! Now that will be hard to beat for the items that I selected. The CM 690 case a great case and can fit the big GPU's without too much hassle!! Add your DVD drive and OS and you have a complete system. Now I'd probably get 2 x WD 640 gb AAKS HD for $60 each ($120 total) over spending about $100-120 on just 1 HD. It's up to you but that is what I'd consider.

Edit: Forgot to add an interesting read on how many CPU cores that you need. It's not all inclusive, but you can read it and decipher what you will from it. Here is the link.
 

imported_Meeks

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Interesting stuff, Luny.

By the way, my current power supply is the 520W APEVIA ATX-AS520W-BK. Would you recommend upgrading that as well?

Also, I'm quite happy with my current case and don't want to upgrade that.

As for the OS, I'll be running Win7 64-bit, dual-booting Win XP 32 from another hard drive.

On hard drives, any particular reason you went with the WD? I've been hearing good things about the latest Seagate Barracudas and was leaning towards those. How do they compare, performance-wise?
 

Lunyone

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* First off the Apevia brand is one that I wouldn't trust. Yeah it might work now, but it starts to get pushed, it'll probably go and might take something with it too. So I'd definately upgrade the PSU.
* What is your current case? I ask because it might not have enough room for a 4890 or something like it. I don't know for sure, so if you can give me the make and model than I can try and research it a bit and hopefully know for sure if the higher-end GPU's would fit in it.
* I like WD HD's because I haven't had any issues with the numerous ones that I've had. Seagate's last version 7200.11, IIRC, had quite a few issues, so I'm staying away from them for now. The performance of the WD drives are good (I don't have any links yet), but it is up to you to decide what you want.
 
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If you are going to run Vitsa or 7 I'd go with a quad... I just swapped out my 8400 C0 dualie for a Q9650 and it runs way hell of alot smoother
 

imported_Meeks

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Let's forget the case for now. I have a few I can use and if none of them work, I'll run to Fry's and get one that does.

I think I want to stick with a quad-core processor. Here's what I'm looking at now, for about $25 over budget, including power supply:

AMD Phenom II X4 955 Black Edition Deneb 3.2GHz Socket AM3 125W Quad-Core Processor Model HDZ955FBGIBOX - Retail $245

ASUS M4A78T-E AM3 AMD 790GX HDMI ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail $139.99 - $15 MIR = $124.99

OCZ XMP Ready Series 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Triple Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model OCZ3X1600LV6GK - Retail $105.99 - $20 MIR = $85.99

Western Digital Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive - OEM $74.99 - $10 (Promo code: EMCLTLN34) $64.99 x2 = $129.98

HIS Hightech H489F1GP Radeon HD 4890 1GB 256-bit PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported Video Card - Retail $219.99 - $20 MIR = $199.99

OCZ ModXStream Pro OCZ500MXSP 500W ATX12V V2.2 / EPS12V SLI Certified CrossFire Certified Modular Active PFC Power Supply compatible with core i7 - Retail $69.99 - $5 (Promo code: EMCLTLN46) - $25 MIR = $39.99

SUB-TOTAL: $905.94

- $80 in Mail-in Rebates

TOTAL: $825.94
 

imported_Meeks

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Is $64.99 a good price for those hard drives? I think with two of those I'd have all the storage I need... at least for the next several years.
 

Lunyone

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Originally posted by: Meeks
Let's forget the case for now. I have a few I can use and if none of them work, I'll run to Fry's and get one that does.

I think I want to stick with a quad-core processor. Here's what I'm looking at now, for about $25 over budget, including power supply:

AMD Phenom II X4 955 Black Edition Deneb 3.2GHz Socket AM3 125W Quad-Core Processor Model HDZ955FBGIBOX - Retail $245

ASUS M4A78T-E AM3 AMD 790GX HDMI ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail $139.99 - $15 MIR = $124.99

OCZ XMP Ready Series 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) [B $105.99 - $20 MIR = $85.99

Western Digital Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive - OEM $74.99 - $10 (Promo code: EMCLTLN34) $64.99 x2 = $129.98

HIS Hightech H489F1GP Radeon HD 4890 1GB 256-bit PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported Video Card - Retail $219.99 - $20 MIR = $199.99

OCZ ModXStream Pro OCZ500MXSP 500W ATX12V V2.2 / EPS12V SLI Certified CrossFire Certified Modular Active PFC Power Supply compatible with core i7 - Retail $69.99 - $5 (Promo code: EMCLTLN46) - $25 MIR = $39.99

SUB-TOTAL: $905.94

- $80 in Mail-in Rebates

TOTAL: $825.94

Looks pretty good. You do know that you won't be doing Triple channel with that memory right? Triple channel is only for i7 setups, currently. AMD systems will only do DUAL channel, so you either get 2 x 2gb's or 2 x 4 gb's to take advantage of the DUAL channel option. You can put in 6 gb's, but you won't have dual channel capability, IIRC. Personally I think 4 gb's will be good for quite awhile, but if you want more than get it.
 

somethingsketchy

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Originally posted by: Meeks
Let's forget the case for now. I have a few I can use and if none of them work, I'll run to Fry's and get one that does.

I think I want to stick with a quad-core processor. Here's what I'm looking at now, for about $25 over budget, including power supply:

AMD Phenom II X4 955 Black Edition Deneb 3.2GHz Socket AM3 125W Quad-Core Processor Model HDZ955FBGIBOX - Retail $245

ASUS M4A78T-E AM3 AMD 790GX HDMI ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail $139.99 - $15 MIR = $124.99

OCZ XMP Ready Series 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Triple Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model OCZ3X1600LV6GK - Retail $105.99 - $20 MIR = $85.99

Western Digital Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive - OEM $74.99 - $10 (Promo code: EMCLTLN34) $64.99 x2 = $129.98

HIS Hightech H489F1GP Radeon HD 4890 1GB 256-bit PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported Video Card - Retail $219.99 - $20 MIR = $199.99

OCZ ModXStream Pro OCZ500MXSP 500W ATX12V V2.2 / EPS12V SLI Certified CrossFire Certified Modular Active PFC Power Supply compatible with core i7 - Retail $69.99 - $5 (Promo code: EMCLTLN46) - $25 MIR = $39.99

SUB-TOTAL: $905.94

- $80 in Mail-in Rebates

TOTAL: $825.94

The hard drives are a good start. You can later on add more storage. For now you can get away with at least one of those Caviar Blacks and add more storage later.

Other than that, this build looks pretty good.
 

pcsavvy

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Your build looks good but I agree with Lunyone that triple channel memory is only for the Intel i7 builds. You would want dual channel memory with AMD and if you have a 64 bit OS then 4 gigs or more of memory will be fine. Otherwise 2-4 gigs will be fine. Plus dual channel memory is much cheaper than triple channel memory.
 

jackeroo75

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I would get 2x 1TB Hitachi 16MB Cache 7200 RPM Internal SATA OEM Hard Drives $110 + FS (with eBillMe checkout)
If you purchase over $100 at ZipZoomFly and use eBillMe checkout option you get a $30 rebate.

$75 x2 - $10 (Code ZZFHT805) =
$140

$140 - $30 eBillMe rebate = $110 with free shipping

 

Depeche

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For gaming I would get an Intel Core 2 Duo instead of a AMD anything ... Intel Core 2 Duo will get you good performance for gaming ...
 

krnmastersgt

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Originally posted by: Depeche
For gaming I would get an Intel Core 2 Duo instead of a AMD anything ... Intel Core 2 Duo will get you good performance for gaming ...

Welcome to the forums? :confused: I smell a troll going around...
 

heyheybooboo

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Originally posted by: krnmastersgt
Originally posted by: Depeche
For gaming I would get an Intel Core 2 Duo instead of a AMD anything ... Intel Core 2 Duo will get you good performance for gaming ...

Welcome to the forums? :confused: I smell a troll going around...

LOL

I guess he made a wrong turn from Tom's.


As far as the 3x2GB OCZ RAMs IIRC that kit is on the Asus QVL list for that motherboard (but yah need to back check ...)