Question New gaming build

[KentState]

Looking for recommendations on the best performing CPU and MB now or in the next month for gaming. This would be paired with a 2080Ti and the appropriate RAM, NVMe storage and cooled by a custom loop. Seems like the HEDT Intel chips my still be the best with the 10980XE maybe leading the way, but I haven't seen much on it.

 

[UsandThem]

Looking for recommendations on the best performing CPU and MB now or in the next month for gaming. This would be paired with a 2080Ti and the appropriate RAM, NVMe storage and cooled by a custom loop. Seems like the HEDT Intel chips my still be the best with the 10980XE maybe leading the way, but I haven't seen much on it.

You already have the best gaming CPU listed in the "Gaming" rig in your signature:

Gaming - Intel i9-9900k

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/i...ed-amd-ryzen-9-3950x-threadripper-3000-series

Buying a 9900KS will get you a little more FPS, but it's still just higher binned 9900K.

 

[KentState]

You already have the best gaming CPU listed in the "Gaming" rig in your signature:


https://www.tomshardware.com/news/i...ed-amd-ryzen-9-3950x-threadripper-3000-series

Buying a 9900KS will get you a little more FPS, but it's still just higher binned 9900K.

That's what I was afraid of. I can already push my 9900k to 5.1 all cores so not expecting much for from the KS. Lately it seems that things are moving so slowly. Started with the 1080 Ti lasting forever and now the 2080 Ti and 9900k will probably go 18+ months before anything comes out. Maybe a Threadripper 3 build? Looks like AMD is finally able to get the core frequencies up high on their larger count chips.

 

[UsandThem]

Maybe a Threadripper 3 build? Looks like AMD is finally able to get the core frequencies up high on their larger count chips.

It could be possible, I guess. Reviews are not that far away.

However, I imagine it will end up performing about the same as Ryzen 3000 series in gaming (likely similar to what a 3900X offers). If you're looking for a true gaming increase, you will likely be waiting for either Ryzen3 (4000 series) next year, or whatever Intel offers when they release their true next gen products (maybe 2021?).

 

[KentState]

Decided on something like this. Some of the components are showing the higher price so it will probably be a few hundred cheaper. I will transfer the 2080 Ti out of my 9900k build along with the radiators and pump. Will pick up a TR compatible block along with another 360 rad and additional fans. Figure that 3x360 rads should be sufficient for the CPU/GPU.

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Threadripper 3970X 3.7 GHz 32-Core Processor ($1999.00 @ B&H)
Motherboard: Asus Zenith II Extreme EATX sTRX4 Motherboard ($961.91 @ Amazon)
Memory: G.Skill Trident Z RGB 32 GB (4 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory ($179.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Trident Z RGB 32 GB (4 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory ($179.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Sabrent Rocket HTSK 4.0 2 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive ($374.48 @ Amazon)
Case: Phanteks Enthoo 719 ATX Full Tower Case ($196.98 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: SeaSonic PRIME Ultra Platinum 750 W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply ($168.98 @ Newegg)
Total: $4241.32
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-11-30 20:34 EST-0500

 

[richaron]

Decided on something like this. Some of the components are showing the higher price so it will probably be a few hundred cheaper. I will transfer the 2080 Ti out of my 9900k build along with the radiators and pump. Will pick up a TR compatible block along with another 360 rad and additional fans. Figure that 3x360 rads should be sufficient for the CPU/GPU.

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Threadripper 3970X 3.7 GHz 32-Core Processor ($1999.00 @ B&H)
Motherboard: Asus Zenith II Extreme EATX sTRX4 Motherboard ($961.91 @ Amazon)
Memory: G.Skill Trident Z RGB 32 GB (4 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory ($179.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Trident Z RGB 32 GB (4 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory ($179.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Trident Z RGB 32 GB (4 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory ($179.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Sabrent Rocket HTSK 4.0 2 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive ($374.48 @ Amazon)
Case: Phanteks Enthoo 719 ATX Full Tower Case ($196.98 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: SeaSonic PRIME Ultra Platinum 750 W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply ($168.98 @ Newegg)
Total: $4241.32
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-11-30 20:34 EST-0500

TR boards usually have 8 RAM slots and you've listed 12 DIMMs, but I assume that's a typo. And with all those rads I'd assume you're clocking to the moon, but obviously a 750W PSU isn't going to handle that..

Looks like a kick-ass system and will without doubt last a while, but (as you're likely aware) it's not up the tippy-top of gaming benchmarks. So as jelly as I am I've gotta be "that guy" (again) who says for a solely gaming rig you can get the same performance (or better) for much less $. Though it might depend on your resolution where if you're using 4k things will likely be GPU bottlenecked anyway (and TR will still be a waste).

 

[DAPUNISHER]

That setup will be strictly for gaming? You're a nut; I love it.

 

[JEDIYoda]

That setup will be strictly for gaming? You're a nut; I love it.

No!! he`s a $$$$ nut!!

 

[KentState]

That setup will be strictly for gaming? You're a nut; I love it.

It will do other stuff, but mostly gaming. My Supermicro servers will be due for a replacement in a few years and this could easily fill the void. Would just need to go air cooling at that time.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

This appears to be a no budget build. May as well max your memory

Are you a human?

www.newegg.com

Regarding your case I recently used an Phantex P600 which I am very satisfied with. Looks sexier than the Entherloo (IMO) but cools a little worse.

 

[KentState]

This appears to be a no budget build. May as well max your memory

Are you a human?

www.newegg.com

Regarding your case I recently used an Phantex P600 which I am very satisfied with. Looks sexier than the Entherloo (IMO) but cools a little worse.

I would wait to max out the ram for when it goes in the server case. At that point I would want ECC and I'm not sure exactly what would work. The QVL mostly shows non-ECC memory.

 

[Arkaign]

The TR will be a solid step down in gaming from a 5.1 9900k. Like 120-130fps to 80-90fps in some titles (Hitman 2, Rise of the TR, Jedi Fallen Order) but an absolutely ludicrous step up in compute. Likewise the (frankly terrible) HEDT Intel CPU would be worse for gaming, better for compute.

If you game at 60fps, it won't matter.

 

[KentState]

Made some changes. Will use my existing Seasonic Ultra Platinum 1000w and move an EVGA G3 1000w into the 9900k system. Also decided on a 4x16GB kit of ram. The 2080Ti w/water block, pump and the two 360 rads will move to this new one, plus an additional 480 for the front of the case. I will just throw my old 1080 Ti and along with a Corsair H150i into the 9900k system. Hopefully that can get me enough cooling capacity to OC everything.

Curious to see if everything comes in before Christmas.

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Threadripper 3970X 3.7 GHz 32-Core Processor ($1999.00 @ B&H)
Motherboard: Asus Zenith II Extreme EATX sTRX4 Motherboard ($853.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Trident Z Neo 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory ($149.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Trident Z Neo 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory ($149.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Sabrent Rocket 4.0 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive ($181.87 @ Amazon)
Case: Phanteks Enthoo 719 ATX Full Tower Case ($196.98 @ Newegg)
Case Fan: Noctua NF-F12 PWM chromax.black.swap 54.97 CFM 120 mm Fan ($24.50 @ Amazon) x14
Case Fan: Noctua NF-A14 PWM chromax.black.swap 82.52 CFM 140 mm Fan ($26.64 @ Amazon)
Total: $3885.51
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-12-08 18:09 EST-0500

 

[BTRY B 529th FA BN]

I'd imagine TR is heavily dependant on Ram speed n timings. Those are a little loose for 3200.

 

[Arkaign]

I'd imagine TR is heavily dependant on Ram speed n timings. Those are a little loose for 3200.

Too true. The thing already will strangle the 2080ti for gaming (not because the TR isn't awesome, but because gaming flourishes on 4 to 8 high IPC cores as close to 5Ghz as possible with minimal latency and maximum bandwidth), matching it with 3200 Ram and middle latency ratings will just pin it down more.

 

[KentState]

Having a hard time finding better quality memory in 16GB modules in stock. Some of the higher rated 3600 kits with 14CL timing is only available right now from third parties. I've had bad luck with Corsair and I know they have some Dominiator kits but I'm weary of anything from them.

I have also looked over reviews on other sites that used 3200 16CL kits and the FPS seem to not be impacted heavily.

 

[KentState]

Well, all I need now is the CPU. Looking like not until early next year unless they magically become available during the holiday break.

 

[DrMrLordX]

Is there any way you can return that RAM? You can do a lot better than that on the same budget.

 

[KentState]

Is there any way you can return that RAM? You can do a lot better than that on the same budget.

I will if I find something before the build. The options for 16GB modules is very limited unless I pay a third party vendor that is charging 2-3x what they cost.

What should I be looking for? The reviews I've seen show 3200 CAS 16 performs well, even compared to a 9900k at 4k.

 

[DrMrLordX]

I will if I find something before the build. The options for 16GB modules is very limited unless I pay a third party vendor that is charging 2-3x what they cost.

What should I be looking for? The reviews I've seen show 3200 CAS 16 performs well, even compared to a 9900k at 4k.

Look for something on a newer process. Maybe consider Samsun M-die, Samsung A-die, Micron e-die or Hynix CJR.

One option:

M378A4G43MB1-CTD - Samsung 1x 32GB DDR4-2666 UDIMM PC4-21300V-U Dual Rank x8 Module

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memory.net

Samsung 16GBit A-die / M-die (32GB unbuffered DIMM, NOT...

There are now 32GB DIMMs available that use 16GBit Samsung IC's. I'm not talking about those weird double-stacked DIMM's that only work in 2 motherboards (ASUS ROG MAXIMUS XI APEX to name one). They're available for as low as $145.99 per DIMM with a JEDEC rating of 2666MHz CAS19...

www.overclock.net

They will take some time tuning them, but you will overall get better performance out of them than those DDR4-3200 CAS16 sticks. Not even sure if those are b-die!

Or do some reading here:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/bvkpbq/list_of_memory_kits_with_hynix_cjr_and_micron_e/

I'm not 100% sold on Hynix CJR yet, but if you can find Micron e-die in 16GB DIMMs then I say, go for it. Though if it were my money, I'd be getting the Samsung m-die instead. 32GB Dimms for $130? That will do DDR4-3333 and higher? I am still sometimes tempted by it for my 3900x . . . but I know I don't really need that kind of capacity, and it will not do DDR4-3733 like my current RAM does.

edit: if you don't want to mess with "generic" RAM, here's a good e-die kit:

Are you a human?

www.newegg.com

The "see price in cart" feature showed me NewEgg is selling the kit for $125. It's higher density than the 2x8GB kits, but overclockers have had pretty good results with Micron e-die, getting DDR4-3600 16-18-18-x pretty reliably.

 

[KentState]

Starting put it together and trying to figure out the loop layout and fans. Still waiting on parts from EK to plumb in the fill and drain ports.

 

[KentState]

Excited to see how a pair of NVMe 4.0 drives work in RAID 0.

 

[VirtualLarry]

Excited to see how a pair of NVMe 4.0 drives work in RAID 0.

You're in for a treat! I've been running RAID-0 of two 1TB Intel 660p M.2 NVMe drives on this B450-F ROG STRIX / Ryzen R5 3600 / 32GB GSkill DDR4-3600 rig for a while, and they run pretty decently. I didn't do it for speed, I did it for price/capacity reasons, I got a really good deal on a pair of open-box 660p (that turned out to be unopened!), and I RAID-0 configured them to have a 2TB primary OS drive. (They perform fine too, though I don't know about AMD RAID driver passing TRIM correctly.)

 

[KentState]

Finally found one in Ohio while visiting my folks for the holiday. Hopefully can wrap this up next week.

 

[KentState]

Finally was able to get it put together over the last few days. Still trying to get some of the air out of the loop.

Overall, the Phanteks case wasn't too bad to build it. Not the most solid thing for the price and the top panel needs some modifications when using a radiator. I'm also going to swap out the cables since they matched my 9900K build better. Probably all black would be the best match.