New evidenced released that Texas executed innocent man in death of 3 daughters

[dank69]

"Welcome to the Genocide Games, where our contestants see if they can wipe out entire tribes, religious sects, or ethnic groups. Oh no, although you had a score of six million you left a couple million Jews alive so you lose. But as a consolation gift, you'll get to enjoy a climate controlled room with three meals a day, medical care for life, and lawyers who will fight for your right to exercise and other amenities. Better luck next time, and remember our show's motto is 'No matter how big the atrocity, someone like Dank will always be there to be an apologist for you.' See you next week!"

Yeah, max security prison is a real treat.

 

[glenn1]

Congrats glenn1, you've made BoberFett and I completely agree on something. That ain't easy to do. I match his sentiment here 100% in fact.

Sorry, I was too busy enjoying the irony of the same people who support "hate crimes" and other Orwellian thoughtcrime, being too "civilized" to think any possible atrocity is only morally answerable by ensuring the perpetrator's every need was looked after for the rest of their life. Good to know that people can fulfill the top box in Maslowe's Hierarchy of needs by indulging their Actualization needs to kill, rape, and torture people then have every lower need taken care of by taxpayers.

 

[Atreus21]

You are describing an incident that happened here in CT. It is too much responsibility to hand over to imperfect people simply because you think seeing a bad person die makes you feel better. More importantly, maybe you should examine why you feel that way. Aren't you a Christian? Of all people, that should make you think.

Being a Christian doesn't mean one is a pacifist. There's a difference between defending the innocent and defending the evil.

"Seeing a bad person die makes me feel better." A just society metes out punishment commensurate with the crime. Putting myself in the man-in-question's shoes, I'd certainly feel a sense of justice if the men who raped my wife and daughters, then left them to burn to death, were put to death. At the very least, they deserved death.

I'm not opposed to the death penalty for the simple reason that there are those people whose actions merit it.

 

[Clemenza]

I used to be pro-death penalty until I actually stepped foot in a court room and defended the criminally accused. After a couple of years doing that, my stance changed. It is too easy for people to get railroaded through the system. Cops lie, prosecutors lie and withhold evidence, witnesses lie. I've defended very few innocent people in legal career, but it is very evident to me that the system is way too flawed for the government to pronounce death on people.

Do some people deserve to die? Absolutely. Are we capable of seeing to this in a fair and just way? No, I don't think we are.

 

[zinfamous]

Oh,I see what this is:
Liberal smear the possible Republican presidential candidate.
Is what it is.

you think Rick Perry is a possible candidate?

ahahahahhahahahahahahhahha!

😀

 

[dank69]

Being a Christian doesn't mean one is a pacifist. ...

No, it certainly doesn't. What, do you think Jesus was arguing that the woman was innocent?

 

[Atreus21]

No, it certainly doesn't. What, do you think Jesus was arguing that the woman was innocent?

God said not to judge, lest you be judged, and according to how you judge, so will you be.

He didn't say not to judge at all. We have to make judgments as fairly as we can.

And Christ was defending an adulteress, not a murderer.

 

[Brovane]

Being a Christian doesn't mean one is a pacifist. There's a difference between defending the innocent and defending the evil.

"Seeing a bad person die makes me feel better." A just society metes out punishment commensurate with the crime. Putting myself in the man-in-question's shoes, I'd certainly feel a sense of justice if the men who raped my wife and daughters, then left them to burn to death, were put to death. At the very least, they deserved death.

I'm not opposed to the death penalty for the simple reason that there are those people whose actions merit it.

There is a difference between seeking justice and seeking revenge for personal satisfaction. The death penalty crosses this line.

Matthew 5:38-48

“You have heard that it was said, ‘An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.’ But I say to you, Do not resist the one who is evil. But if anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also. And if anyone would sue you and take your tunic, let him have your cloak as well. And if anyone forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles. Give to the one who begs from you, and do not refuse the one who would borrow from you. ...

Romans 12:17-21

Repay no one evil for evil, but give thought to do what is honorable in the sight of all. If possible, so far as it depends on you, live peaceably with all. Beloved, never avenge yourselves, but leave it to the wrath of God, for it is written, “Vengeance is mine, I will repay, says the Lord.” To the contrary, “if your enemy is hungry, feed him; if he is thirsty, give him something to drink; for by so doing you will heap burning coals on his head.” Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.

 

[Atreus21]

There is a difference between seeking justice and seeking revenge for personal satisfaction. The death penalty crosses this line.

Matthew 5:38-48

“You have heard that it was said, ‘An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.’ But I say to you, Do not resist the one who is evil. But if anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also. And if anyone would sue you and take your tunic, let him have your cloak as well. And if anyone forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles. Give to the one who begs from you, and do not refuse the one who would borrow from you. ...

Romans 12:17-21

Repay no one evil for evil, but give thought to do what is honorable in the sight of all. If possible, so far as it depends on you, live peaceably with all. Beloved, never avenge yourselves, but leave it to the wrath of God, for it is written, “Vengeance is mine, I will repay, says the Lord.” To the contrary, “if your enemy is hungry, feed him; if he is thirsty, give him something to drink; for by so doing you will heap burning coals on his head.” Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.

Why is the death penalty assumed to be vengeance, when life in prison or a myriad of other punishments is not?

The death penalty is the most severe punishment a justice system can deal out. Its severity doesn't mean anything about whether or not it is vengeful.

 

[glenn1]

Why is the death penalty assumed to be vengeance, when life in prison or a myriad of other punishments is not?

The death penalty is the most severe punishment a justice system can deal out. It's severity doesn't mean anything about whether or not it is vengeful.

I love how they're trying to argue what Christians ought to believe as if the Christians themselves somehow don't know. But no, Brovane knows better than people who actually worship someone who was himself executed by death penalty and a father God who carried out capital punishment routinely (Noah's flood, Pharoah's plagues, Sodom and Gemorrah, etc.)

 

[crashtech]

I am a former supporter of the death penalty. While I still feel there exist many criminals who should be put to death for the good of society, it's become clear that our system of justice is too flawed to be entrusted with carrying out the ultimate penalty.

 

[Subyman]

Who cares at this point? It's obvious that anti-DP people aren't willing or able to listen and understand the views of those who support the DP.

Actually, I made a large effort to do so. We got to the kernel of your belief, it is for vengeance. I completely understand your view. You've clearly stated your fundamental belief for all to see and that fundamental belief is what they do not agree with. No one is obfuscating your view, they simply do not agree with it on a base level.

You've made a snap moral judgment that it's wrong and cannot be right. I nor anyone else will change your mind, so feel free enjoying your circle jerk of characterizing tens of millions if not hundreds of millions as simply vengeful, ignorant savages.

No need to exaggerate your position. You said it was for vengeance. I don't think anyone here has called you or those that feel they need vengeance as savages.

At this point it's just posturing anyway. If you really feel that there's nothing beyond the moral pale of evil then I have nothing to say to you. Next time someone drags a gay man behind a pickup truck then enjoy the moral high ground of ensuring they perpetrators don't ever suffer anything beyond inconvenience.

We all get it. There are numerous bad people in the world. You've used this argument about 5 times in this thread. People have already told you that they believe it is worth letting these terrible people live in prison, bring them to justice, and forgo vengeance as to not risk killing an innocent.

I'm trying to wrap my head around anything less than the death penalty being no more than an "inconvenience."

When you think the penalty for genocide or setting off a dirty bomb in a city should be substantially the same as someone who kills a dog then our morals will never be compatible and it's not worth further discussion.

You keep going to the most extreme positions of international terror and massacre to try to prove something. The reality is that only a handful of people executed fit that description.

 

[Brovane]

Why is the death penalty assumed to be vengeance, when life in prison or a myriad of other punishments is not?

The death penalty is the most severe punishment a justice system can deal out. Its severity doesn't mean anything about whether or not it is vengeful.

What is the point of the death penalty?

1-Giving victims a sense of justice?
2-Protecting society?
3-Deterrence to others?

Items 2 and 3 have already been proven false. So that leaves us with item #1. The implementation of the Death Penalty in itself causes further violence. When the criminal is kept alive and confinement they have a chance of redemption and seeking forgiveness for their sins. The Death Penalty goes against Jesus's message of love and redemption.

 

[brycejones]

What is the point of the death penalty?

1-Giving victims a sense of justice?
2-Protecting society?
3-Deterrence to others?

Items 2 and 3 have already been proven false. So that leaves us with item #1. The implementation of the Death Penalty in itself causes further violence. When the criminal is kept alive and confinement they have a chance of redemption and seeking forgiveness for their sins. The Death Penalty goes against Jesus's message of love and redemption.

My personal views on this subject have evolved significantly. A relative of mine was raped and murdered 35 years ago. For decades I was a staunch supporter of the death penalty but it has been proven to my satisfaction that the justice system has a high enough error rate that having the state impose the ultimate sentence carries to great a risk of executing someone who is innocent.

As for #1 having attended several parole hearings and thoroughly reviewed the prison record of the man incarcerated for the crime I have come to believe that him spending the rest of his life in prison is an appropriate punishment and honestly brings a greater sense of justice knowing that he is just sitting wasting another day in prison.

Before anyone freaks out about him being up for parole at the time he was convicted Kansas law allowed parole after 15 years for a life sentence. It has since been reviewed to require 40 years to be served under some circumstances.

 

[dank69]

Why is the death penalty assumed to be vengeance, when life in prison or a myriad of other punishments is not?

The death penalty is the most severe punishment a justice system can deal out. Its severity doesn't mean anything about whether or not it is vengeful.

You are right, if we truly wanted to be like Christ we would all live and let live and if people wanted to commit murder or genocide we would simply let them knowing that what happens in this life pales in comparison to what happens in the afterlife.

 

[CitizenKain]

Its fun watching death penalty supporters try to pretend that they don't support the death penalty because it makes them feel great.

 

[BoberFett]

If you ever get dragged to death behind a pickup truck like James Byrd, I'll be sure to tell your family that you said that the guy who did it deserves to have their tax money support him for the rest of his life. That thought should be very comforting to them and the memory of your compassion will be with them forever even if you aren't. If you're really lucky the guy may even escape from prison and kill the rest of your family then return for another life sentence to his air conditioned cell.

And if you ever end up in an electric chair because a cop was in a bad mood and your local DA is looking to use you as a stepping stone in his career, I'll be sure to toast you. And by toast I mean toast a marshmallow over you as you crackle and pop.

If you were executed even though you never committed it a crime, it wouldn't be much of a loss. Because democracy, amirite?

 

[glenn1]

Its fun watching death penalty supporters try to pretend that they don't support the death penalty because it makes them feel great.

Yes, we cackle in glee everytime a mass murderer is executed.

 

[bshole]

I'm not opposed to the death penalty for the simple reason that there are those people whose actions merit it.

Never met a born-again "Christian" who wasn't pro-death penalty and pro-war. We must remember that fundamentalist Christians are EXTREMELY similar to Islamists. They have an intense an belief in stone age retribution and punishment.

I oppose the death penalty because I do not trust my government enough to give them that kind of power.

 

[waggy]

I am a former supporter of the death penalty. While I still feel there exist many criminals who should be put to death for the good of society, it's become clear that our system of justice is too flawed to be entrusted with carrying out the ultimate penalty.

same.

I am for it. but our justice system is far to flawed. I have no problem with those that deserve to die being killed. i do have a problem with a innocent man being killed.

Since we can't be sure (far to much corruption in the justice system) we should stop them.

 

[glenn1]

Never met a born-again "Christian" who wasn't pro-death penalty and pro-war. We must remember that fundamentalist Christians are EXTREMELY similar to Islamists. They have an intense an belief in stone age retribution and punishment.

I oppose the death penalty because I do not trust my government enough to give them that kind of power.

So you only trust government with enough power to tell people how to run their lives, enough to ruin their lives, but not enough to end their lives.

 

[Phokus]

So you only trust government with enough power to tell people how to run their lives, enough to ruin their lives, but not enough to end their lives.

Once you end someone's life, you can't recompense them.

Are conservatives having some sort of secret bet as to be who can be the biggest piece of shit around here or something? What happened to spidey btw, i'm surprised he hasn't come around rah rahing the death of an innocent man.

 

[Mursilis]

The justice system is imperfect, I admit. That doesn't mean it fundamentally doesn't work.

If it puts innocent people to death, then it fundamentally doesn't work on some level.

Some crimes do in fact warrant death by their perpetrator, due to their severity. I simply don't trust my fellow humans to judge which crimes those are, and who committed them. We're still less than 100 years from an era (and may still be in that era) that pointing out to the jury that the defendant is black and the accuser is white was about 95% of what you needed for a guilty verdict.

 

[glenn1]

If it puts innocent people to death, then it fundamentally doesn't work on some level.

Some crimes do in fact warrant death by their perpetrator, due to their severity. I simply don't trust my fellow humans to judge which crimes those are, and who committed them. We're still less than 100 years from an era (and may still be in that era) that point out to the jury that the defendant is black and the accuser is white was about 95% of what you needed for a guilty verdict.

Well said, I can understand this. To me there's a difference between saying that the death penalty cannot be morally justified at all (which I'd disagree with) and saying it cannot be fairly administered in an unfair world. One is a black/white statement of morality and the other is a question of execution by fallible human institutions, pardon the pun.

 

[BoberFett]

Well said, I can understand this. To me there's a difference between saying that the death penalty cannot be morally justified at all (which I'd disagree with) and saying it cannot be fairly administered in an unfair world. One is a black/white statement of morality and the other is a question of execution by fallible human institutions, pardon the pun.

Really? Because that's exactly my position, but according to you I'm too "sensitive". Because if there's one thing that everyone here who reads my posts knows, it's that I'm too sensitive. 🙄

So if you can understand the difference between being OK with death for a criminal, but not trusting the government to mete out that punishment properly
why are you so gung ho to give nanny government the ultimate nanny power?