New Details on R600 emerging - ReScheduled to MAY Launch

[morgash]

why hasn't anyone noticed that his steak references are horrible? The lowest one by his reckoning is the fillet mignon, but that's the best cut of beef you can get. T-bone is the top one lol, all his steak analogies are completely backwards unless he is talkin about size instead of quality.

morgash

 

[jim1976]

Originally posted by: apoppin
when thing are *late* you lose perspective ... i don't think r600 is late like x1800 --considering the merger and AMD's higher standards [i hope]

It depends on your POV.. It is certainly not late from the Vista launch D3D10 POV.. Actually it will be just in time..

It is ONCE again late from a next gen POV.. Much late.. 4 months or more.. And you know what 4 months is in gpu cycle time...

Despite that, if R600 proves to be 25% or faster than 8800gtx I will most certainly buy this baby.. I only expect a "reasonable" price.. Because as stated many times 1 Gb of GDDR4 and 512bit bus won't come as a cheapo solution..

 

[DeathReborn]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
This is exciting to see a chip with such power, even through rumor.

However, let me say that it is impossible to match the G80 for the power consumption (Not to say that the G80 is too low, but rather the R600 is just going to be too high). The R600 has a 512bit external bus, and an extra 360MB of memory. Not only that but it was hot enough that they were considering including a water pump with the card.

Sorry, this is going to be an absolute killer for a chip if any of these rumors are correct (Keep in my the X1800XT rumors and how that panned out) but it is going to come at a big cost in heat and power consumption.

They did consider a Water/Air Hybrid cooler for G80 but a pure Air cooler was sufficient. Isn't R600 something like 720 million transistors? If that's the case then it's going to consume a fair bit of power even on 80nm. G80 came in below expectations for power, i'm not so hopeful of R600 doing the same.

X1800XT disapointed in the most part but it did still manage to beat the 7800's (except in OGL), it was just a little too late to the party to do any significant damage to G70 sales.

I am wondering what the price difference is between 1GB GDDR4 ~1.2GHz and 768MB GDDR3 ~900MHz.

Also, the extra 3" on the XTX, sounds like they're finally going to stop people turning their XT into a XTX (losing them a little bit of money in the process). No idea what they are going to use the extra space for though.

It sounds like it will outperform the G80 but at a price premium.

 

[s44]

This isn't much to whet the appetite, just stuff on memory speeds and such.

Remember, Nvidia has already prepared a GDDR4 refresh of the GTX.

 

[Cookie Monster]

Digitimes

A Chinese-language Commercial Times report indicated that both leading vendors of graphics processing units (GPUs), ATI and Nvidia, are expected to soon increase their contribution to orders at Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Company (TSMC). Equipment makers estimate that orders for 80nm and 65nm production at Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Company (TSMC), as a consequence, may double sequentially in the second quarter, the paper said.

Nvidia is expected to start volume shipments of its forthcoming G84 and G86 graphics chips, respectively targeting entry-level and mainstream markets, from June, after rolling out them in April. ATI will likely ramp up orders for its 80nm R600 at TSMC from February-March, and 65nm RV610 and RV630 are expected to follow in June-July, the paper added.

 

[Wreckage]

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[apoppin]

Originally posted by: nrb

Originally posted by: apoppinas far as the "power consumption" goes ... it could NOT be *extreme* since DAAMiT has a SINGLE-slot cooler available [my opinion, speculation etc.]

The single-slot version will be the budget product - the thing that is to the flagship version what the GeForce 7300 is to the 7900.

re-read the article, please ... that is not what it says ... they talking about the flagship series with 4 grades or levels of flagship models

what the GTX would be to the GT
[the GT being single slot]

all the indications are that even the flagship will not be 'extreme' power requirements ... just 'heavy'

we'll see soon enough

i can't imagine ANYONE waiting just to "see" ... those are people that want to wait ... IF i needed a great PCIe card right now i personally would buy the 8800gtx ... without any regrets whatsoever and no hesitation

otoh, if i was *sitting on the fence* - with satisfaction with my current gaming [as i am *satisfied* with a x1950p - i'd wait


EDIT ... of course if i was gonna *wait* the Refresh of the GTX is around the corner ... then r650 and 8950
:Q



and those references to *steak* are English
[they used to have terrible beef, anyway ... otoh, even Irish "mutton" was delicious]

 

[sbuckler]

Size and noise? 12 inch cards are just too big for your average case imo. My main worry about a single slot cooling solution is noise - this has been ati's weak point reciently - 7800, 7900, and 8800's are all really quiet, but all the top end ati cards are too loud (at least some companies produce different heatsync's to get around this, although they charge a premium for something that should be standard).

 

[josh6079]

The only 7800 that was quiet was the 7800GTX 512MB.

As always, thanks for designating where the info came from so I know not to click it.

 

[DeathReborn]

Originally posted by: josh6079
The only 7800 that was quiet was the 7800GTX 512MB.

As always, thanks for designating where the info came from so I know not to click it.

My old 7800GT SLI was quiet (before & after Cooler Changes).

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: sbuckler
Size and noise? 12 inch cards are just too big for your average case imo. My main worry about a single slot cooling solution is noise - this has been ati's weak point reciently - 7800, 7900, and 8800's are all really quiet, but all the top end ati cards are too loud (at least some companies produce different heatsync's to get around this, although they charge a premium for something that should be standard).

12 inches is for the *extreme* 'xtx' model

the other 3 are 9 inches

and no matter what ATi does, the partners always manage to come up with quiet[er] cooling

Originally posted by: josh6079

As always, thanks for designating where the info came from so I know not to click it.

my pleasure ...
. . . it has been a repeated recent request that is *reasonable*

i quoted most of it

 

[ArchAngel777]

It looks like the XTX will be my purchase!!! Well, assuming it does well in the reviews. I guess I will wait to upgrade the rest of my rig, since everything purrs like a kitten and not performance gains have been seen in CPU's the last 1.5 years... Lets see, spend $800 on CPU + New Ram + Mobo and get 25% performance increase, or spend 600 - 700 and see over a 250% increase! Choice is clear...

 

[josh6079]

My old 7800GT SLI was quiet (before & after Cooler Changes).

Hmmm....

Mine wasn't when I had the stock HSF's on. I eventually used the NV Silencer Rev. 5's from AC.

 

[redbox]

Originally posted by: josh6079
The only 7800 that was quiet was the 7800GTX 512MB.

As always, thanks for designating where the info came from so I know not to click it.

I'm pretty sure this 7800 is quiet: Link

 

[Matt2]

Reading this thread reminds me why I love my XBOX 360 and 50" DLP TV so much.

I think I'll use my $600 to get 10 new games for the 360.

I saw on G4 that Crysis will indeed be released on the XBOX 360, so there goes the only reason I was considering a DX10 video card.

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: gclg2000
sweet, 2 companies making superb products...but no cool games to play them on..

QFT! If Quake Wars would hurry up and get released along with the G80 revision I'd be happy.

 

[Cookie Monster]

From CJ in Beyond3d:

It seems that today some more info has surfaced.

R600 will be launched at Cebit. The press will get to see the R600 at the end of February. One week after the Cebit the R600 will be available for everyone to buy. Claims are that the R600 is 5 to 10% faster in DX10 applications than the G80. Note the DX10 claim and no mention of DX9 performance compared to G80.

Price will be $599 and only the 9" PCB version will be out in retail channels. The 12" PCB version will be OEM only.

Scheduled for a launch at the end of April is RV630 as a replacement of the X1950Pro. nV will launch the 8600GTS (G84) one month earlier in March as a replacement of the 7900GS and 7950GT. A few weeks later, mid-April, nV will release the 8600GT with/without HDMI / with HDCP, as a replacement of the 7600GT.

In the lower end AMD will introduce the RV610. First samples have arrived from the factory and they are looking good. RV610 will be the replacement of the X1650 series. Around that time nV will also release 8500GT HDMI (G86 GDDR3) in versions with and without HDCP (G86 DDR2). At the end of April they will also release 8300GS (G86 DDR2) as a replacement of the 7600GS/7300GT.

There you have it.

Ok i shouldve bolded it all.

 

[nitromullet]

Benchmarks are not needed it?s a known fact - it will prolly run faster than G80 in SLI.

ummm... doubtful...

 

[jim1976]

Originally posted by: nitromullet

Benchmarks are not needed it?s a known fact - it will prolly run faster than G80 in SLI.

ummm... doubtful...

He must be joking or something..

Cookie Monster very interesting post..

 

[JackBurton]

Now this is getting exciting!

 

[Wreckage]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: gclg2000
sweet, 2 companies making superb products...but no cool games to play them on..

QFT! If Quake Wars would hurry up and get released along with the G80 revision I'd be happy.

Once in a blue moon I agree with Joker.

 

[allies]

5-10% isn't that much at all. Especially considering nvidias IQ is better than ATi's at the moment. If the 5-10% improvement also comes with equal to or better IQ, however, I might consider selling my GTX and picking up an R600.

 

[aka1nas]

The second model mentioned might be a good fit for me eventually as I can't handle a 12-inch card. I wonder if Antec will sell a new modular cable with the 8-pin PCI-E 2.0 connector for my PSU?

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Cookie Monster
From CJ in Beyond3d:

It seems that today some more info has surfaced.

R600 will be launched at Cebit. The press will get to see the R600 at the end of February. One week after the Cebit the R600 will be available for everyone to buy. Claims are that the R600 is 5 to 10% faster in DX10 applications than the G80. Note the DX10 claim and no mention of DX9 performance compared to G80.

Price will be $599 and only the 9" PCB version will be out in retail channels. The 12" PCB version will be OEM only.

Ok i shouldve bolded it all.

is there more?
i miss links

but thanks for the *confirmation* .... i think we need to wait for the [leaked] benchs and real *drivers* for Vista before we talk about DX10 performance ... or even DX9 ... which i doubt will be *bad*

9 inches is a lot better too
:Q

Now what do we *know* that compares or contrasts with that *leaked article* about R600 that DailyTech *supported* ?


i forgot

 

[SilentRunning]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Cookie Monster
From CJ in Beyond3d:

It seems that today some more info has surfaced.

R600 will be launched at Cebit. The press will get to see the R600 at the end of February. One week after the Cebit the R600 will be available for everyone to buy. Claims are that the R600 is 5 to 10% faster in DX10 applications than the G80. Note the DX10 claim and no mention of DX9 performance compared to G80.

Price will be $599 and only the 9" PCB version will be out in retail channels. The 12" PCB version will be OEM only.

Ok i shouldve bolded it all.

... 9 inches is a lot better too ...

Not really. OEM's will love the longer version.