New Details on R600 emerging - ReScheduled to MAY Launch

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Matt2
It's going to take a lot more than HDMI to sell me on this card.

If this card isnt >25% faster than the 8800GTX then DAAMIT is in trouble. All it's going to take from Nvidia is a few price cuts to even the playing field.

Any speculation as to DAAMIT's driver condition? I have a feeling DAAMIT is not going to do much better than Nvidia regarding drivers or we'd be seeing Nvidia sort this driver problem out with a little more sense of urgency.

excellent

http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=37726

AMD to overtake Nvidia in WHQL driver wars

R600 WHQL driver arrives on eve of CeBIT: March 14th

AMD decided that it wants to have full support on both hardware and software front, so Catalyst WHQL'ed driver suite will be ready in full not for the official product launch, planned for week starting 24th of March - but for the first live showings of demos on CeBIT in Hangover.

The drivers will support SingleFire and CrossFire modes for all ATI cards including R600 generation, for both Windows XP and Vista. We don't have confirmation of DX10 drivers for 64-bit operating systems, but we have been assured that the driver support will be second to none and that AMD now has a levy over Nvidia measured in weeks - WHQL SLI driver for DirectX 10 or 64-bit Vista isn't expected until April - which is pretty sad. Nvidia has been shipping G80, or GeForce 8800 for almost six months now, and Chimpzilla will in the end ship more Vista WHQL certified dual-GPU systems than a six-month shipping product from their competitor.

This is a brilliant move and pretty much helps not just journalists with their reviews (being spared from all beta driver nonsense), but system integrators as well - drivers are WHQL'ed from day one. This includes not just Radeon X2900 series, but also low-end and mainstream parts under code-names RV610 and RV630, or Radeon X2200 and X2400. AMD decided on the currently final naming convention during last week, and you should not be surprised, since AMD wants to differ from ATI-vs.-NV name struggle of yesteryear.

As we have previously written, if you are a system integrator and are putting the machine together, having a WHQL driver for it means that you will get some dough from Microsoft. Sorry, sales and marketing incentives.

Confidentially, agreement ends on March 15th, aligning with first day of CeBIT, and you can expect that all major AMD partners will run DX10 demos such as one featuring Ruby's younger sister etc. on both CrossFire and SingleFire modes. Many RV610 and RV630 samples will also be making appearance in at least non-functional form, since ATI will have to counter Nvidia's new mainstream and low-end lieblings dubbed G84 and G86.

we're talking AMD - not ATi

and i'd say *at least 25%* faster

[i'd say]

 

[apoppin]

2/21 - a shocker [except for Wreckage ... who knew :Q

http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=37768

R600 delayed again

Pushed over into Q2
WE JUST had a call from DAAMIT and we learned that its R600 presentation and introduction is pushed to a later date. It won't happen before Cebit, nor any time this quarter.

It is pushed back for launch in Q2 and this comes officially from AMD. Hector won't be happy as he made the promise for a Q1 launch.

look like *aloha* for DAAMiT

 

[Wreckage]

Originally posted by: apoppin
2/21 - a shocker [except for Wreckage ... who knew :Q

What's worse is I am pissed about it. I WANT this card to be released. I am actually looking forward to it. Especially since nothing else (computer wise) has come out this year that is very exciting.

I want to competition to stay long and strong or else I won't be able to afford the mid-range cards even.

That and I have always been a big AMD supporter and I would hate for this to interrupt their CPU business.

Sigh.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Wreckage

Originally posted by: apoppin
2/21 - a shocker [except for Wreckage ... who knew :Q

What's worse is I am pissed about it. I WANT this card to be released. I am actually looking forward to it. Especially since nothing else (computer wise) has come out this year that is very exciting.

I want to competition to stay long and strong or else I won't be able to afford the mid-range cards even.

That and I have always been a big AMD supporter and I would hate for this to interrupt their CPU business.

Sigh.

we agree

 

[Gamingphreek]

Wow...I wonder what is holding them up. This is very unlike a manufacturer to do this.

I'll be Nvidia is rejoicing-Christmas came early for them. I still don't understand why they wouldn't hurry and and release their mainstream parts. Imagine the sales they could have with that much.

I don't know why, but I'm slowly getting less and less enthused by the R600 launch. It has been so overhyped, and it keeps pushing back farther and farther. Come on AMD/ATI, deliver something to put at least some pressure on Nvidia.

-Kevin

 

[apoppin]

bad yields

--or a glitch in the manufacturing

 

[Wreckage]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
I still don't understand why they wouldn't hurry and and release their mainstream parts. Imagine the sales they could have with that much.

They will just keep milking the 7 series. They just respun one of the 7 series chips to 65nm, so they can make a bundle off those.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Wreckage

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
I still don't understand why they wouldn't hurry and and release their mainstream parts. Imagine the sales they could have with that much.

They will just keep milking the 7 series. They just respun one of the 7 series chips to 65nm, so they can make a bundle off those.

nvidia has plenty of time to perfect their drivers ... they can *afford* to wait

Poor ATi's partners .. they are *stuck* with respinning x1950xt in AGP

and lots of *reSpinning*


--not me .. i won't be caught rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic as the bow starts to tilt downwards
:Q

i already *jumped ships*
:shocked:

--not funny ... i am truly sad

 

[Avalon]

The news kinda has me bummed, because I was excited with what I've heard about the card so far and wanted to see it come out. I wasn't planning on getting it, but it was an interesting piece of hardware for sure. I guess we'll just get stuck waiting longer for it.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Avalon
The news kinda has me bummed, because I was excited with what I've heard about the card so far and wanted to see it come out. I wasn't planning on getting it, but it was an interesting piece of hardware for sure. I guess we'll just get stuck waiting longer for it.

imagine how ATi's Partners feel
:Q

it is costing them dearly and i bet we see some major players "jump ship" to nvidia over this if the delay is long.

 

[apoppin]

March 1... new info:

http://www.vr-zone.com/?i=4713

original article here: http://www.hardspell.com/doc/hardware/34620.html
how's your Chinese?

R600 Clocks Higher Than 800MHz

Hardspell is reporting that R600 GDDR3 card uses 12 layers PCB while the R600 GDDR4 card uses 12-16 layers PCB. The silicon for R600 only reaches A13 revision and there are no A14, 15 or 17 revisions. According to them, currently all the ATi R600 benchmarks out there aren't real and R600 core clock is not lower than 800MHz. VR-Zone has learned about some updates on R600 availability. Apparently R600 GDDR3 will be available in early May while R600 GDDR4 will be available in mid May but in limited quantities. We will see some R600 demos at CeBIT but behind doors.

http://www.vr-zone.com/?i=4712

AMD Demo R600 Crossfire on Quad Core Barcelona Setup]

 

[CrystalBay]

Well good. there may be some method to the madness -(As they say @the Ranch in DHS) ...

 

[eklock2000]

Just go with the Nvidia's already...

http://www.tweaktown.com/news/7055/gefo...gx2_pricing_and_information/index.html

Quote:

Our friends over at OCW seem to be talking to the right people here in Taiwan and have a bunch of information regarding the most expensive GeForce 8950GX2 that will be sold for $599 USD. It is rumored to be a dual GPU solution much like the 7950GX2 and will come with a total of 512MB GDDR-4 memory per GPU.

The second on the list is the GeForce 8900GTX which will replace the current high-end 8800GTX. It will ship at a retail price of $549 USD and sees total pipelines increased to 128 which is an increase of 32 or 25% as suggested by Fudo over at the INQ recently. It will also see the inclusion of GDDR4 memory which allows nVidia to increase the clock speed to a huge 2200MHz DDR. It also seems like the manufacturing process is being reduced to 80nm from 90nm in the latest batch of G80 chips.

As you can see, nVidia have a whole range of new graphics cards ready and apparently waiting to spoil AMD and ATI?s R600 launch. Word around Taiwan is that the cards are basically ready and nVidia is just waiting for AMD to take the covers off their range of upcoming R600 graphics cards.


Can anyone say ATI Crusher?

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: CrystalBay
Well good. there may be some method to the madness -(As they say @the Ranch in DHS) ...

i can't see any reason given for the delay ... just smoke and mirrors

and you totally lost me on that 2nd part ... DHS?


and let's see nvidia *fix* their drivers before they launch MORE hardware

 

[Gstanfor]

Originally posted by: eklock2000
Just go with the Nvidia's already...

http://www.tweaktown.com/news/7055/gefo...gx2_pricing_and_information/index.html

Quote:

Our friends over at OCW seem to be talking to the right people here in Taiwan and have a bunch of information regarding the most expensive GeForce 8950GX2 that will be sold for $599 USD. It is rumored to be a dual GPU solution much like the 7950GX2 and will come with a total of 512MB GDDR-4 memory per GPU.

The second on the list is the GeForce 8900GTX which will replace the current high-end 8800GTX. It will ship at a retail price of $549 USD and sees total pipelines increased to 128 which is an increase of 32 or 25% as suggested by Fudo over at the INQ recently. It will also see the inclusion of GDDR4 memory which allows nVidia to increase the clock speed to a huge 2200MHz DDR. It also seems like the manufacturing process is being reduced to 80nm from 90nm in the latest batch of G80 chips.

As you can see, nVidia have a whole range of new graphics cards ready and apparently waiting to spoil AMD and ATI?s R600 launch. Word around Taiwan is that the cards are basically ready and nVidia is just waiting for AMD to take the covers off their range of upcoming R600 graphics cards.


Can anyone say ATI Crusher?

I don't believ the report, for one simple reason: It states a memory footprint of 512mb per pcb for the 8950GX2. This isn't possible on G80, you need choose from 320, 640 or 768 mb frame buffer sizes (this is tied to the quad clusters in G80 and how they access memory).

 

[CrystalBay]

Their drivers will suck man just look at the happy 7950gx2 owners...




Apoppin Im glad you've never been to the Ranch....in DHS

 

[Matt2]

Originally posted by: CrystalBay
Their drivers will suck man just look at the happy 7950gx2 owners...




Apoppin Im glad you've never been to the Ranch....in DHS

Nvidia drivers (pre-8800) > ATi drivers.

 

[CrystalBay]

NOt for the suckers that Bought 7950gx2's

The MARKETING that Dumb suckers bought...

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: CrystalBay
Their drivers will suck man just look at the happy 7950gx2 owners...




Apoppin Im glad you've never been to the Ranch....in DHS

no idea what the heck you are posting about

google is no help and i don't know if it is a local thing

and the Salmon gets really tiresome after awhile ... like the Snow

 

[CrystalBay]

Ok one more time apoppin It is not worth upgrading every cycle what ever card , chip, new mb or memory cycle .


Have you ever had Fresh Halibut, Fresh King crab , and brystal bay scallops and clams..

 

[DeathReborn]

Originally posted by: Gstanfor

Originally posted by: eklock2000
Just go with the Nvidia's already...

http://www.tweaktown.com/news/7055/gefo...gx2_pricing_and_information/index.html

Quote:

Our friends over at OCW seem to be talking to the right people here in Taiwan and have a bunch of information regarding the most expensive GeForce 8950GX2 that will be sold for $599 USD. It is rumored to be a dual GPU solution much like the 7950GX2 and will come with a total of 512MB GDDR-4 memory per GPU.

The second on the list is the GeForce 8900GTX which will replace the current high-end 8800GTX. It will ship at a retail price of $549 USD and sees total pipelines increased to 128 which is an increase of 32 or 25% as suggested by Fudo over at the INQ recently. It will also see the inclusion of GDDR4 memory which allows nVidia to increase the clock speed to a huge 2200MHz DDR. It also seems like the manufacturing process is being reduced to 80nm from 90nm in the latest batch of G80 chips.

As you can see, nVidia have a whole range of new graphics cards ready and apparently waiting to spoil AMD and ATI?s R600 launch. Word around Taiwan is that the cards are basically ready and nVidia is just waiting for AMD to take the covers off their range of upcoming R600 graphics cards.


Can anyone say ATI Crusher?

I don't believ the report, for one simple reason: It states a memory footprint of 512mb per pcb for the 8950GX2. This isn't possible on G80, you need choose from 320, 640 or 768 mb frame buffer sizes (this is tied to the quad clusters in G80 and how they access memory).

It is possible to have 512MB, they just have to respin the GPU with a different memory controller configuration. They could also go for 1.5GB per GPU (memory chips permitting). The thing that bugs me is where it says that going from 128 shaders to 128 shaders is a 25% (32 shader) increase. Either they put 8800GTX instead of 8800GTS or they really meant 160 shaders.

There's just too much wrong with that article to put much credence in it.

 

[Gstanfor]

To get a 512mb memory config, G80 would need to have only 4 of 6 ROP blocks activated (each ROP block addresses 128mb of memory). This doesn't sound like a very good idea for something that will probably need to be very strong in AA/AF @ high res (if it is to perform comparably to "normally SLI'd G80's and compete with R600) to me...

 

[Cookie Monster]

B3D is predicting that R600 may have 80 vec4 shaders or 64 vec4 +scalar shaders. I cant believe its delayed til May.. argh

 

[BFG10K]

The May version better be one hell of a card for ATi's sake.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: CrystalBay
Ok one more time apoppin It is not worth upgrading every cycle what ever card , chip, new mb or memory cycle .


Have you ever had Fresh Halibut, Fresh King crab , and brystal bay scallops and clams..

yep


actually i brought in the *first* silver salmon of the '66 season outside Anchorage
... and totally *sick* of the pink. :lips:

and *overrated* ... compared to Hawaii ... overall
mahi ... ahi ... uloa ... still 'twitching' when you buy it ...

mmmm and *warm* too

DHS = Desert Hot Springs in Cali ... miss that city and visit Palm Springs instead.


and May = *Maybe*

get it?