new CRT monitor

TitusTroy

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my 7 year old Sony 21' CRT monitor is starting to show symptoms of breaking down so I'm in the market for a new monitor...I'm a hardcore gamer and I was all set to go with an LCD but there isn't 1 monitor that has all the features I am looking for---low response time, 8-bit, low input lag, S-IPS or S-PVA, high contrast, swivel/tilt etc...not to mention the whole risk of getting an LCD with dead pixels etc

so I was wondering if there are any high quality CRT monitors still available for purchase anywhere?...I see Viewsonic still sells them but 19' seems to be their max...what are people's opinions on buying a new CRT monitor nowadays?
 

JackBurton

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Originally posted by: TitusTroy
my 7 year old Sony 21' CRT monitor is starting to show symptoms of breaking down so I'm in the market for a new monitor...I'm a hardcore gamer and I was all set to go with an LCD but there isn't 1 monitor that has all the features I am looking for---low response time, 8-bit, low input lag, S-IPS or S-PVA, high contrast, swivel/tilt etc...not to mention the whole risk of getting an LCD with dead pixels etc

so I was wondering if there are any high quality CRT monitors still available for purchase anywhere?...I see Viewsonic still sells them but 19' seems to be their max...what are people's opinions on buying a new CRT monitor nowadays?

Dead. Let's get with the times and get a Dell 3008WFP. ;) Well that's what I'm upgrading to at least, and I have a 21" Sony G500 now. :)
 

TitusTroy

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why buy an LCD just for the sake of buying one?...it has to match or exceed the quality of my current CRT for it to make any sense...and the LCD technology is still not there yet for high end gamers...you have to compromise image quality by getting a TN panel with low response times or suffer with good image quality but bad input lag and response times

I think a good CRT is a better investment for the next few years
 

redlinez33

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Planar PX2611W is the closest thing you asked for, only flaw is contrast..... Its BLACK isnt as black as some monitors, but everything else is good. Ohh except thats its REALLY bright, but thats either a negative or positive depending on your tastes.

Theres also a doublesight thats exactly the same thing as the planar, without height or swivel adjustment and its $200~ cheaper.

They have low input lag (1 frame or less, not noticeable by anyone that I have seen), good response times, great colors (8bit) and its H-IPS.
 

Modelworks

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Originally posted by: NinjaJedi
Originally posted by: JackBurton
Originally posted by: TitusTroy
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Dead. Let's get with the times

+1

IMO the crapiest LCD monitor is probably going to have much better image quality then CRT.

You would be dead wrong.
I have an ibm P260 that is really a sony 21".
I have yet to see any lcd monitor that can even come close to its color, black depth.
Not to mention not being stuck with a native resolution.
 

nRollo

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Originally posted by: Modelworks
Originally posted by: NinjaJedi
Originally posted by: JackBurton
Originally posted by: TitusTroy
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Dead. Let's get with the times

+1

IMO the crapiest LCD monitor is probably going to have much better image quality then CRT.

You would be dead wrong.
I have an ibm P260 that is really a sony 21".
I have yet to see any lcd monitor that can even come close to its color, black depth.
Not to mention not being stuck with a native resolution.

Yeah, BUT......

My 3007 WFP-HC has pretty good color, and I can tell you for a fact that 30" of 25X16 blows away 20" of 4:3, even if it has nicer black.

The days of the CRT are over.

I thought like you guys for a while, loved gaming on my FE2111-SB. Never looked back when I got my 2405FPW.
 

Modelworks

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Originally posted by: TitusTroy

so I was wondering if there are any high quality CRT monitors still available for purchase anywhere?...I see Viewsonic still sells them but 19' seems to be their max...what are people's opinions on buying a new CRT monitor nowadays?

There are some new ones still being made, but because they are being targeted at the graphics professional market they are not cheap.

We bought some for the work room that cost us about 450.00 each.
They were basically new IBM monitors still in the boxes, but were manufactured several years ago.

There are quite a few people selling on ebay though.
And the sony trinitron models hold up for a very long time.
I have one that is almost 9 years old , still looks great.
 

Modelworks

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Originally posted by: nRollo
Originally posted by: Modelworks
Originally posted by: NinjaJedi
Originally posted by: JackBurton
Originally posted by: TitusTroy
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Dead. Let's get with the times

+1

IMO the crapiest LCD monitor is probably going to have much better image quality then CRT.

You would be dead wrong.
I have an ibm P260 that is really a sony 21".
I have yet to see any lcd monitor that can even come close to its color, black depth.
Not to mention not being stuck with a native resolution.

Yeah, BUT......

My 3007 WFP-HC has pretty good color, and I can tell you for a fact that 30" of 25X16 blows away 20" of 4:3, even if it has nicer black.

The days of the CRT are over.

I thought like you guys for a while, loved gaming on my FE2111-SB. Never looked back when I got my 2405FPW.

Pretty good color doesn't cut it when working with graphics.
You need accurate color and true blacks for that.
LCD don't come close.
 

nRollo

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Originally posted by: Modelworks
Originally posted by: nRollo
Originally posted by: Modelworks
Originally posted by: NinjaJedi
Originally posted by: JackBurton
Originally posted by: TitusTroy
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Dead. Let's get with the times

+1

IMO the crapiest LCD monitor is probably going to have much better image quality then CRT.

You would be dead wrong.
I have an ibm P260 that is really a sony 21".
I have yet to see any lcd monitor that can even come close to its color, black depth.
Not to mention not being stuck with a native resolution.

Yeah, BUT......

My 3007 WFP-HC has pretty good color, and I can tell you for a fact that 30" of 25X16 blows away 20" of 4:3, even if it has nicer black.

The days of the CRT are over.

I thought like you guys for a while, loved gaming on my FE2111-SB. Never looked back when I got my 2405FPW.

Pretty good color doesn't cut it when working with graphics.
You need accurate color and true blacks for that.
LCD don't come close.


I agree with that, I think they're a reasonable solution for video gaming though.
 

IlllI

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Originally posted by: Modelworks

Pretty good color doesn't cut it when working with graphics.
You need accurate color and true blacks for that.
LCD don't come close.


thats interesting.. i wonder why a company such as eizo switched all their products to lcd then

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CP5670

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I don't consider any LCD acceptable for gaming. Even the fastest 2ms TNs have intolerable motion blur at 60fps to me, and I hate the grainy look on everything that is caused by Hi-FRC and/or screen door effects. The fact that many games use dark color palettes amplifies the effect of their poor black levels, and the fixed resolutions also make them less useful for gaming.

I can appreciate the benefits of the larger sizes available, but I would rather have 20" of a perfect image than a 24" or 30" one with numerous problems.

That being said, if you actually need to buy a new monitor and don't have an existing CRT, I wouldn't recommend getting a CRT. The biggest flaw of CRTs is how hard it is to get one that doesn't have some defect or another. The only option is buying used or refurb models, which are notorious for problems, and they also tend to develop further issues in shipping. Even if you manage to find a new one somewhere, it's almost certainly from the last production batches and is likely to have problems, since both Sony and Mitsubishi, who created all the high end AG tubes, made garbage quality units in their final months of manufacturing.

You can still get a perfect one, but you should expect to play the return game a few times. At this point, almost any CRT is going to be out of warranty and you'll probably have to pay for shipping, which can become expensive very quickly. I think the only realistic way to get one is to do a local pickup with a seller that gives you a choice between several identical units.

Actually, LCDs have been hit by the same problem that caused CRTs to go out of production. The vast majority of people would rather have a cheap display than pay more for a high quality image. LCDs have essentially stopped improving for over a year now, with even many of the better ones being phased out in favor of cheap TNs of the same size. The display market sucks all around these days. :(

thats interesting.. i wonder why a company such as eizo switched all their products to lcd then

The same reason they switched many of their IPS models to VAs. Most people find the cheaper ones acceptable, and the better ones weren't selling well enough to justify producing them any more.

However, I think LCDs caught up a while ago with the accuracy of bright colors, which is apparently what counts for print matching. It's the dark colors that they have problems with.
 

kmmatney

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Originally posted by: Modelworks
Originally posted by: nRollo
Originally posted by: Modelworks
Originally posted by: NinjaJedi
Originally posted by: JackBurton
Originally posted by: TitusTroy
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Dead. Let's get with the times

+1

IMO the crapiest LCD monitor is probably going to have much better image quality then CRT.

You would be dead wrong.
I have an ibm P260 that is really a sony 21".
I have yet to see any lcd monitor that can even come close to its color, black depth.
Not to mention not being stuck with a native resolution.

Yeah, BUT......

My 3007 WFP-HC has pretty good color, and I can tell you for a fact that 30" of 25X16 blows away 20" of 4:3, even if it has nicer black.

The days of the CRT are over.

I thought like you guys for a while, loved gaming on my FE2111-SB. Never looked back when I got my 2405FPW.

Pretty good color doesn't cut it when working with graphics.
You need accurate color and true blacks for that.
LCD don't come close.

Well, my father in law works for Disney (imagineering) and the graphic artists are using LCDs these days...
 
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Well in a week I am going to go and get a CRT as well. I got a few choices of new-overstock, or refurb A <not a->. Local dealer, will let me do a warehouse pickup and will even display it for me and turn it on before I buy.

Sony g520, Dell , New-overstock
Mitsubishi Diamond pro 2060u As Compaq Refurb grade A
Mitsubishi diamond pro 2070sb as HP New Overstock

Unsure which one I want yet.
 

Captante

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I still have a couple really nice 21-inch CRT's but I do all my gaming on my BenQ 24 inch LCD & wouldn't even consider going back to a CRT for any use ... I used to prefer them myself but as for as I'm concerned I'll never buy another one.
 

CP5670

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Well in a week I am going to go and get a CRT as well. I got a few choices of new-overstock, or refurb A <not a->. Local dealer, will let me do a warehouse pickup and will even display it for me and turn it on before I buy.

Sony g520, Dell , New-overstock
Mitsubishi Diamond pro 2060u As Compaq Refurb grade A
Mitsubishi diamond pro 2070sb as HP New Overstock

Unsure which one I want yet.

The 2070SB is the best one and supports higher refresh rates than the other two. I have the original Mitsubishi version. You should definitely pick it up in person if you have that option.

Ask them to show you a couple of different units (of an identical monitor) side by side so you can compare. The new ones are as likely to have some problem or another as the refurbs. Look for any signs of color uniformity issues, blurriness or distorted geometry, especially along the edges. If the blurriness is uniform across the screen, it can often be fixed by adjusting the focus controls inside.
 

surfsatwerk

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Image quality aside, I would rather play solitaire the rest of my life rather than game on a non-widescreen monitor.
 

Modelworks

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Originally posted by: kmmatney


Well, my father in law works for Disney (imagineering) and the graphic artists are using LCDs these days...

Good for them.
That still doesn't make lcd the best choice for color reproduction.
 

pontifex

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i've had a 19" acer and I currently use a 20" dell lcd screen. both were great at playing all the latest games. never any image problems.
 

TitusTroy

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the only way LCD's became mainstream was by making CRT's unavailable

if CRT's were still being manufactured and sold in the same quantity as LCD's are now then CRT's would still be the clear choice for many people---especially hard core gamers...LCD's only started to take off after CRT manufacturer's stopped producing them