New Credit Card Bill

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Yahoo Article

Anne Flaherty, Associated Press Writer
On Wednesday May 20, 2009, 2:51 pm EDT

WASHINGTON (AP) -- Congress on Wednesday sent President Barack Obama a bill with sweeping new rules for the credit card industry that will affect just about every American.

The House voted 361-64 for the bill on Wednesday. The Senate had already approved the measure by a 90-5 vote on Tuesday.

The new restrictions will protect debt-ridden consumers from many of the surprise charges common in the industry, like over-the-limit fees and a charge to pay the bill by phone. People under 21 also will find it difficult to get a card.

As banks scramble to make up for the lost revenue, cardholders who pay off their balance in full each month could see annual fees become the norm and lucrative rewards programs canceled.

"Many Americans depend on credit cards to get by in this economy, and today they have won a giant victory that ensures they are protected from practices that would drive them further into debt, while also making our economy stronger," said Sen. Christopher Dodd, D-Conn., chairman of the Banking Committee.

White House spokesman Robert Gibbs said Obama looked forward to signing the bill as quickly as possible.

"Obviously this has been something that the president has championed, that the president believes is important to protect consumers," Gibbs told reporters Wednesday. "This is important for people that are represented in this town but don't have a lobbyist. These are important reforms to protect consumers and to bring some commonsense rationality to our financial system."

Some of the changes, including a requirement that cardholders receive 45-days' notice before their rates are raised, are already on track to take effect in July 2010 under new regulations by the Federal Reserve. But the legislation would put these changes into law and go further in restricting when and how banks charge people and who could get a card.

For example, the bill would require people under 21 to prove first that they can repay the money or that a parent or guardian is willing to pay off their debt if they default.

And consumers who see their interest rate skyrocket because they have been late on a payment would get a chance at their older, lower rate if they pay their bill on time each month for six months.

The banking industry opposed the measure and said it could restrict credit at a time when Americans need it most.

The practice of charging higher rates and fees to cardholders with risky credit was devised as a means to protect lenders against the risk of default while keeping costs low for consumers who paid their bills on time, said Edward Yingling, president and CEO of the American Bankers Association, which opposes the legislation.

Yingling says the new rules will limit the card companies' ability to price according to risk. The result, he says, will be that every card holder will have to pay a higher interest rate to cover the cost when other customers default. Lenders also will be more reluctant to issue cards in general, he adds.

"Less credit will be available generally, which means some consumers and small businesses will not be able to obtain credit cards at all, particularly younger people and startup small businesses," Yingling said.

Dodd, who championed the bill, said this argument is absurd and "a little like Chicken Little."

Included in the bill is an unrelated measure by Sen. Tom Coburn, R-Okla., that would allow people to bring loaded guns into national parks and wildlife refuges.

The House approved that provision separately on Wednesday by a 279-147 vote.

Associated Press Writer Darlene Superville contributed to this report.
 

nakedfrog

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Screw that, they collect a 1-5% transaction fee on everything that goes through, if that's not enough, they just won't get any of my money.
 

Newbian

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Congrats to the people that pay their bills on time and help the economy.

You are screwing it up for everyone else. :|
 

xanis

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That's a load of crap. I know there are a lot of people like my parents who have certain cards because of rewards programs.

Also, hurting the responsible, financially-responsible customers and protecting the idiots seems kind of ass-backwards, don't ya think?
 

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Big deal. All the folks that can afford the convenience of a credit card won't be affected. Those that can't shouldn't have a credit card in the first place.
 

Insomniator

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Just another form of wealth redistribution. People that actually have money will simply stop using credit cards and the companies will be worse off.

Few people NEED to use a credit card. Checks and cash still exist, just are less convenient.
 

Gunslinger08

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Pretty typical. The people who do the right thing are usually the ones that get screwed by big government.
 

spacejamz

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Originally posted by: Xanis
That's a load of crap. I know there are a lot of people like my parents who have certain cards because of rewards programs.

Also, hurting the responsible, financially-responsible customers and protecting the idiots seems kind of ass-backwards, don't ya think?

am i the only one who can't tell if my sarcasm meter is busted??
 

xanis

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Originally posted by: spacejamz
Originally posted by: Xanis
That's a load of crap. I know there are a lot of people like my parents who have certain cards because of rewards programs.

Also, hurting the responsible, financially-responsible customers and protecting the idiots seems kind of ass-backwards, don't ya think?

am i the only one who can't tell if my sarcasm meter is busted??

What was sarcastic about my post? :confused: I see WHY they would do this, but it doesn't make it right.

EDIT: I was referring to the bolder portion of the OP.
 

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More empty threats from the CC companies. FUD everywhere. They have been pulling a collective fast one on the American consumer for years, and we finally called them on it. Boo-hoo. Maybe if they didn't try to do their best to screw their customers, people wouldn't have bitched to their congressmen to do something about it.
 

SunnyD

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Originally posted by: MovingTarget
More empty threats from the CC companies. FUD everywhere. They have been pulling a collective fast one on the American consumer for years, and we finally called them on it. Boo-hoo. Maybe if they didn't try to do their best to screw their customers, people wouldn't have bitched to their congressmen to do something about it.

When their customers all stand in line, drop trow and bend over... you can hardly blame the companies alone.
 

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Originally posted by: SunnyD
Big deal. All the folks that can afford the convenience of a credit card won't be affected. Those that can't shouldn't have a credit card in the first place.

I can easily afford the convenience of credit cards, but if they start to charge me just to have them, then they will no longer be convenient and I won't have them.
 

oiprocs

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Originally posted by: allisolm
Originally posted by: SunnyD
Big deal. All the folks that can afford the convenience of a credit card won't be affected. Those that can't shouldn't have a credit card in the first place.

I can easily afford the convenience of credit cards, but if they start to charge me just to have them, then they will no longer be convenient and I won't have them.

What I have are timewarps.
 

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Originally posted by: joshsquall
Pretty typical. The people who do the right thing are usually the ones that get screwed by big government.

Yep. This bill effectively uses people with good credit to subsidize people with bad credit. You know, because that worked so well with the mortgage industry...Bass ackwards legislation here.
 

nakedfrog

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Originally posted by: MovingTarget
More empty threats from the CC companies. FUD everywhere. They have been pulling a collective fast one on the American consumer for years, and we finally called them on it. Boo-hoo. Maybe if they didn't try to do their best to screw their customers, people wouldn't have bitched to their congressmen to do something about it.

Yeah, when they were deregulated, they were basically given enough rope to hang themselves, and that appears to be what they did...
 

techs

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That's like saying if you make a law against shooting people, than the corporations will just poison them to death.
 

oiprocs

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Originally posted by: techs
That's like saying if you make a law against shooting people, than the corporations will just poison them to death.

I TOLD YOU, I'M THE TIMEWARP BOSS!!!
 

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Originally posted by: Queasy
Originally posted by: joshsquall
Pretty typical. The people who do the right thing are usually the ones that get screwed by big government.

Yep. This bill effectively uses people with good credit to subsidize people with bad credit. You know, because that worked so well with the mortgage industry...Bass ackwards legislation here.

yeah. because big gov't is helping the credit card companies rape their customers with this bill
 

oiprocs

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Originally posted by: Zee
Originally posted by: Queasy
Originally posted by: joshsquall
Pretty typical. The people who do the right thing are usually the ones that get screwed by big government.

Yep. This bill effectively uses people with good credit to subsidize people with bad credit. You know, because that worked so well with the mortgage industry...Bass ackwards legislation here.

yeah. because big gov't is helping the credit card companies rape their customers with this bill

Gosh, you guys just don't learn do you?

TIMEWARP TIMEWARP
 

QueBert

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Originally posted by: nakedfrog
Screw that, they collect a 1-5% transaction fee on everything that goes through, if that's not enough, they just won't get any of my money.

and the get he same transaction fees from the people who don't pay their balance off in full every month. Plus another 5 - 20% in interest, I would take the latter every time if I was a bank or credit card company.
 

oiprocs

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Originally posted by: QueBert
Originally posted by: nakedfrog
Screw that, they collect a 1-5% transaction fee on everything that goes through, if that's not enough, they just won't get any of my money.

and the get he same transaction fees from the people who don't pay their balance off in full every month. Plus another 5 - 20% in interest, I would take the latter every time if I was a bank or credit card company.

Ahh sure, I'll jump you too if you want.
 

frostedflakes

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Some common-sense regulations of the CC industry was long overdue. As other members on here have pointed out there is no reason CC companies should be able to get away with some of the crap they do, banks can't do this stuff with other lines of credit. For example with a mortgage or car loan, the bank cannot just change the interest rate whenever they want and give you absolutely no warning. Why should they be able to do this with credit cards?