New cooling to compete with high end air and water?

[MarcVenice]

http://money.cnn.com/news/news.../CLTU06621082007-1.htm

Sounds interesting for sure. If it costs around 100$ it could pose some serious competition to high-end air coolers. The way I see it, is that if will offer watercooling like performance and quietness but won't be a hassle like real watercooling is, then people who want high performance cooling but can't be bothered with watercooling, might buy this instead of a thermalright 120 ultra.

 

[thilanliyan]

This was announced so long ago. I was really looking forward to this as well. Is a release date been set? Much like the OCZ Phase change cooler that was announced a while back, it hasn't seen the light of day.

 

[MarcVenice]

Announced yes, tested and demonstrated, no

OCZ said the cooler will be available this qaurter of the year. I guess that's in 2 months or less then.

 

[Raider1284]

pictures of the hydrocool device pictures

 

[MarcVenice]

and one in action: http://core.tweakers.net/nieuw...e-Hydrojet-koeler.html

It's a Dutch article, but running it through babelfish might help a bit.

 

[Raider1284]

thought this was pretty funny

"The risk on lekkage is restricted up to minimum by gluing all components to each other."

It's sealed with glue?

 

[MarcVenice]

lol, lekkage = leakage

and not sealed I guess, but by soldering it together theres are risks of leaks, so by glueing it together they assume it can no longer leak, which doesn't sound like to bad of an assumption

 

[aigomorla]

Originally posted by: thilan29
This was announced so long ago. I was really looking forward to this as well. Is a release date been set? Much like the OCZ Phase change cooler that was announced a while back, it hasn't seen the light of day.

ditto...

i was gonna comment the same thing. We saw and heard about this almost 1 yr ago right after they annouced there mass producing phase units which were suposed to be around 200-250.

Did they ever show up? No, reason is because the compressor they used was cheap and it burned out really fast.


Now for those of you guys that want to know what a 400W system is, because most of you probably dont.

Its = to a MCR320. Thats a 120x3 radiator. The carbon block is suposed to also have the lowest thermal resistance possible, which makes this thing very efficient. Put a carbon block on a waterblock, i dont think the unit will perform as great as water.

At anyrate, dont keep your hopes up. OCZ likes to brag about RnD but rarely has anything ground breaking come from them. If it was Thermalright that was announcing it, it would be a different story.

Im still waiting for BLACK ICE RXN radiators to come out. These should be very interesting because right now most of the watercooling EQ is based off automotive. The evap radiator is a Aviation based cooling mechanism. Something to look forward to since were stepping up to higher quality and more performance areas.

http://www.hwlabs.com/rxn/

 

[thilanliyan]

I personally find it hard to believe they actually used carbon nanotubes considering most of the work on carbon nanotubes (CNT) is still in research and not actual products. If they ARE using it I'm sure it would be a decent cooler because apparently CNTs only conduct heat in one direction (ie. along the length of it) whereas normal materials conduct in almost all directions. Another thing to consider are the health effects of CNTs. Like other nano materials (which behave differently to normal materials), the health effects are not completely understood and have no real regulations on them.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: aigomorla

Originally posted by: thilan29
This was announced so long ago. I was really looking forward to this as well. Is a release date been set? Much like the OCZ Phase change cooler that was announced a while back, it hasn't seen the light of day.

ditto...

i was gonna comment the same thing. We saw and heard about this almost 1 yr ago right after they annouced there mass producing phase units which were suposed to be around 200-250.

Did they ever show up? No, reason is because the compressor they used was cheap and it burned out really fast.


Now for those of you guys that want to know what a 400W system is, because most of you probably dont.

Its = to a MCR320. Thats a 120x3 radiator. The carbon block is suposed to also have the lowest thermal resistance possible, which makes this thing very efficient. Put a carbon block on a waterblock, i dont think the unit will perform as great as water.

At anyrate, dont keep your hopes up. OCZ likes to brag about RnD but rarely has anything ground breaking come from them. If it was Thermalright that was announcing it, it would be a different story.

Im still waiting for BLACK ICE RXN radiators to come out. These should be very interesting because right now most of the watercooling EQ is based off automotive. The evap radiator is a Aviation based cooling mechanism. Something to look forward to since were stepping up to higher quality and more performance areas.

http://www.hwlabs.com/rxn/

Everything my friend aigomorla said concerning that product is right on the money.
yet what he did not mention was another reason it never reached production was because they could not produce it and sell it for what they said they were going to sell it for and make a profit!!
In other words they said what it would cost and found out after the issues with th compressor that to use a quality compressor it would not be cost effective!!

Peace!!

 

[Fallen Kell]

Originally posted by: thilan29
Another thing to consider are the health effects of CNTs. Like other nano materials (which behave differently to normal materials), the health effects are not completely understood and have no real regulations on them.

However, we have been living and surviving with nano-particles since the existence of life:

http://www.softmachines.org/wordpress/?p=31

As for possible dangers from this technology, the issues found with nano-particles or other nano materials have always been in either an airborne or liquefied solutions, never from a solid object because the solid object contains the particles and they are trapped within it (much like putting poison in a container, you are not at danger from the poison simply because it is there, you can handle the container, and move it, etc...)

 

[Fallen Kell]

Also, I wonder what the new dimensions are for this cooler. The original prototype looked a lot smaller in width/depth then this new one, most likely due to the use of copper fins as opposed to aluminum. Specifically I wonder if it will fit in my case as I have no room for a heatsink that extends beyond the top of the motherboard. I can fit a Tuniq Tower but only if the fan faces up/down (which is fine in my case since it directs the hot air to my exhaust fan).

 

[thilanliyan]

Originally posted by: Fallen Kell

Originally posted by: thilan29
Another thing to consider are the health effects of CNTs. Like other nano materials (which behave differently to normal materials), the health effects are not completely understood and have no real regulations on them.

However, we have been living and surviving with nano-particles since the existence of life:

http://www.softmachines.org/wordpress/?p=31

As for possible dangers from this technology, the issues found with nano-particles or other nano materials have always been in either an airborne or liquefied solutions, never from a solid object because the solid object contains the particles and they are trapped within it (much like putting poison in a container, you are not at danger from the poison simply because it is there, you can handle the container, and move it, etc...)

For natural nanoparticles (as in that article) I agree but man-made ones I'm not so sure of. It depends on a case-by-case basis I think. Some nanoparticles may not be harmful to us but others could be. For example certain cosmetics actually contain nanoparticles but have not been shown to be harmful although as I said there aren't really too many regulations dealing with nanoparticles.

About the solid, the particles are not necessarily "trapped" within a box-like structure. Sometimes the surface itself is made of nano-sized particles which can obviously be detached from the surface given enough energy. I'm not sure of the exact structure of carbon nanotubes in that cooler though....although my guess would be that the nanotubes would have to be exposed on the bottom of the cooler to get the full cooling benefits.

I presume OCZ would have done some research into the health effects otherwise that would just be irresponsible and I'm guessing OCZ is a company who cares about their reputation.

 

[aigomorla]

first post 8/23

talk about thread revival.

i think this project went into the bucket like there phase project. No new news about it yet, no samples floating around. Nothing.

Dont get your hopes up.

 

[Fallen Kell]

I agree... had potential, but looks like OCZ is following their previous track record.

 

[MarcVenice]

Heh, perhaps you guys were wrong after all

http://www.gamestar.de/news/pc...e/ocz/1474341/ocz.html

It's in german, but it seems both the hydrojet and cryo-z will be coming out this year.

 

[shabby]

Well thats good news, $100 for something that can dissipate 400w sounds like a sweet deal.

 

[MarcVenice]

The hydrojet will cost less then 100$, I doubt it can dissapate 400w of heat though. Perhaps you ment the cryo-z, but that one will cost 300-400$.

 

[shabby]

Says right here 400watts.

 

[aigomorla]

Why is this thread still alive?

Can we just let it die.

This product will never hit retail like the Phase unit. So i dont know why you guys are hoping and still talking about this product. It was debuted LAST year. And we have NO additional info on it.

 

[shabby]

Originally posted by: aigomorla
Why is this thread still alive?

Can we just let it die.

This product will never hit retail like the Phase unit. So i dont know why you guys are hoping and still talking about this product. It was debuted LAST year. And we have NO additional info on it.

No we cant let it die, ocz made a new revision of the hydrojet.

 

[DrMrLordX]

I'd like to see someone actually bench that thing. Until then . . .

 

[aigomorla]

Originally posted by: shabby

Originally posted by: aigomorla
Why is this thread still alive?

Can we just let it die.

This product will never hit retail like the Phase unit. So i dont know why you guys are hoping and still talking about this product. It was debuted LAST year. And we have NO additional info on it.

No we cant let it die, ocz made a new revision of the hydrojet.

Wow, okey this does deserve a revival. However, its still too far in development to be talked about.

But thanks for the update. I still think by the time of release, we'll see evap radiators which are used on airplanes, and other watercooling breakthoughs which would push this product back down to air catigory tho.

 

[ArchAngel777]

400 watts of heat seems a bit of an overstatement... I don't understand how this is much different that a heat pipe water cooler. It might be slightly better, but in the end it looks like a small self contained water cooling unit that will be sub-par to watercooling.

And... I just read the OP's opening statement. I don't understand how it could be quiet, it has to dissapate that heat.

 

[MarcVenice]

Well, I might have been wrong. I have no knowledge about radial fans and their soundproduction. The fact that it uses 'nanotubing' and has the possibility to effectively absorb and dissapate a lot heat could mean low rpm's though. And if they say it's. I'm not sure why aigomorla is so sceptical though, based on one single product they didn't actually release ? Sure, first we will have to see it before we can believe it, but that doesn't mean it's totally irrelevant and uninteresting.