New Computer, Ahoy! Comments, Suggestions?

KillaKilla

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CDRW: Artec Black 52x24x52 CD-RW $49.99
CD/DVD-ROM: Artec Black16x/48x DVD/CD-ROM $42.99
Processor: Intel Pentium IV 2.6Ghz, HT, 512 Cache, Socket 478 $189.99
CPU Fan: Thermaltake Spark 7+ $29.99
MotherBoard: Asus P4P800 Delux $149.99
Memory: Corsair TwinX Dual Channel DDR 512MB (256MBx2) 400Mhz $144.99
Case: Cheiftec Dragon Series Black Full Tower $79.99
Hard Drive: Western Digital Caviar 80GB, 7200 RPM, 8MB Buffer, 8.9ms, ATA-100 $89.99
Monitor: Compaq S9500, 19?, Silver&Black $159.99
Case Fan: Coolmax 80mm, 4 LED, Ball Bearing $7.99
Keyboard/Mouse: Logitech Internet Navigator Keyboard & Logitech MX300 Optical Mouse $52.99
Speakers: RealWorld Technology, Inc. Cintre RW-1310 (2 sattelites, one SubWoofer) $16.99
Video Card: ATI All-In-Wonder 9800 Pro 128MB $375.99
Total $1,391.86

What's the difference between an ATI All-In-Wonder 9800 Pro 128MB and an ATI Radeon 9800 Pro 128MB? Is there any?
 

TheBDB

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Yes there is a difference. The AIW has a tv tuner and other multimedia capabilities (can you tell I'm not an expert ;)). You really should read up and see if you are going to use them. If not get the regular 9800 Pro.
 

xSkyDrAx

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Wheres your PSU? Usually Chieftec doesn't come with a PSU and especially not for $80 unless you found some crazy deal. Be sure to choose a good one like Antec or Fortron or Enermax. Otherwise :D
 

MDE

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Take a look at Thermalright heatsinks. If you can find one cheap, get one because IMO, Thermaltake sucks. You could use the money from downgrading to a regular 9800 to get better speakers or good headphones.
 

loafbred

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I still go with AMD's price/performance, so here's my choice:

Abit NF-7, nForce2 $82 (NewEgg may not have rev 2, may have to pay a couple dollars more to get one)

Athlon XP 2400+ OEM $75

Kingston HyperX PC3200 kit, 2X512MB (2-3-2-6-1T timings) $225
*or* same grade Mushkin brand for $229

HDD - Western Digital 80GB SE OEM $77.50

Sapphire 9800 Pro OEM $305

Creative Audigy2 ZS (retail) $83

Thermalright SLK 900-A heatsink (clip-on) $37.99

Sunon 92mm, 49 cfm fan $5.99

Lite-On 48-24-48-16 DVD-ROM/CDRW - black - OEM $53.99

Speakers - Klipsch ProMedia Ultra 5.1 $389.50

Case - Antec Sonata Piano Black w/Antec True 380 p/s case pic $95

Keyboard/mouse - Logitech cordless MX duo (retail) $75

Your Compaq monitor 159.99

TOTAL: $1664.96

All prices from NewEgg.com





 

RaynorWolfcastle

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If you're not into overclocking or only into light overclocking I'd get the following

From Newegg:
Mobo: Asus P4P Deluxe (on sale) - $129
CPU: Pentium 2.6C retail - $175
CPU fan: incl. with CPU
Case: Chieftec black w/450W Foxconn Power Supply - $72
Hard drive: 120 GB w/8MB cache, Seagate 7200.7 - $99
Keyboard/Mouse: Logitech cordless MX duo (retail) - $75
Speakers: Logitech Z560 4.1 THX certified speakers - $139
SoundCard: Audigy 2 OEM - $68
DVD-ROM: Lite On XJ-HD166 16x, black - $31
CD-RW: Lite-on 52x32x52, black - $39 or upgrade to a DVD+/-RW for ~$100

From circuitcity.com:
Video Card Built by ATI Radeon 9800 - $249, incl. shipping

From Crucial.com
RAM: 2x Crucial PC3200 - $194 incl. shipping

Monitor: Your Compaq, I suggest you buy locally to save on expensive shipping on big/heavy items
Fans: Whatever floats your boat, I think Panaflo L1A's are great since they're very quiet but they don't have built-in LEDs
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Total: ~$1450 before shipping
 
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i'd get rid of the spark 7+, look into a slk800/900U

u can also drop the arctec dcrw and get a liteon for $10 less at newegg
 

jd103

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This is almost your exact same setup but saves $100 with a couple minor changes.

From Newegg.com:

In Win Black Mid-Tower ATX Case w/ 300W Power Supply, Model IW-J523G.300BFU2D - Retail-$58
(this is a nice black case with good power supply and has a case fan included)
Lite On 52x32x52 Black Color CDRW Drive LTR-52327S - OEM -$39.99
LITE-ON XJ-HD166/XJ-HD 165H 16X DVD ROM Drive BLACK- OEM48X CD-ROM-$30.99
WD WESTERN DIGITAL "SPECIAL EDITION" 80GB 7200RPM EIDE HARD DRIVE-$77.50
Logitech Cordless MX Duo - RETAIL=$75 (this combo comes with the MX700 mouse)
CORSAIR MEMORY XMS Extreme Memory Speed Series, (Twin Pack) 512MB(2 x 256MB) 2x(32MX64) TWINX512-3200C2 With Heat Spreaders.Retail -$127
ASUS Motherboard for Intel Pentium 4 / Celeron Processors, 800Mhz FSB Model# P4P800 Deluxe Retail -$128.99
Intel Pentium 4 / 2.6CGHz 512k socket 478 Hyper Threading Technology 800 MHz FSB -Retail box (with Heatsink and Fan) 3-year MFG. Warranty-$175
Labtec Pulse-420 3 Piece Speaker - RETAIL-$28 (very good ratings for a cheap 2.1 setup)
ATI All-In-Wonder RADEON 9800 PRO 128MB DDR 8X AGP RETAIL-$376

$1136.47 shipped + Compaq monitor(get from where you seen it) $159 = Total $1295.47
 

ThatDumbGuy

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Almost all of the recommendations I would make, including your last question, would highly depend upon what exactly you will use this computer for, and what you might anticipate using it for in the next year or two.

But, that being said, the generalities based off what you have:

I would definitely go with a retail CPU (not sure if you are or not, too lazy to look up the price), even if you play to buy another HSF, due to the increased warranty. At least for AMD's (I don't have much intel experience), the price difference is a matter of a few bucks.

I would definitely go with the Lite-On drives as JD103 suggested.

And honestly, for 25 or 30 bucks more, you could get 1gig of GEIL PC3200. I've had no problems with it, at least.

My brother has the Pulse-420 speakers and has nothing bad to say about them.

So, my main questions to you are:

A) What do you plan to use this for, both today, and in a year?
B) Are you opposed to basic FSB overclocking?
C) Are you opposed to an Athlon-based system?
 

Johnbear007

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oh my god how many of these threads have to pop up?

COuld we please get a sticky that says:

If you want an AMD system get:

If you want an Intel system get:
 

KillaKilla

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Plan to use it for games (also for word, Email, and the web, but anything good for games is more than enough for those)

Not opposed to an athlon based system.
Don't plan to OC it.

Thanks for the advice on the drives, will get the lite-on's if they come in black, and the 1024 GEIL RAM...

With regards to what JohnBear said, a sticky wouldn't work because different people are willing to spend different ammounts of money. perhaps a forum would work...


Is Dual Channel DDR any different from normal DDR? IE: If I put 2 sticks of regular DDR in the coresponding slots, and activate dual channel mode thingy in BIOS, will they do Dual Channel (without affects like overclocking?)
 

ThatDumbGuy

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To answer your question concerning dual channel memory use, I use the 2 sticks of geil I ordered just fine, generally, from what I've seen, as long as it is the same brand/part no etc it will be just fine. Your BIOS should automatically detect dual channel capability and run it that way.

Here is something to consider (all prices before shipping). Its a combination between what my preferences, and maybe some of yours when I was in doubt (or, as close as I could get it). All from newegg.

CHIEFTEC Server Chasis (Aluminum Workstation Tower with Plastic Front Cover) BLACK COLOR w/ Side acrylic window and a Case Fan on Side Window **Now with 2 x Front USB2.0 and 1 x Firewire IEEE1394 ports** Model AX-01BLD Retail Weights Only 18LBs!- $76

DFI Motherboard for AMD Processors, "LAN Party" Model NFII Ultra B - Retail- $162

AMD ATHLON XP 2500+ "Barton" 333 FSB PROCESSOR CPU- RETAIL- $90

2 x GEIL DDR RAM 512MB PC-3200 Value 400MHz Ultra- CAS 2.5, 2T Command With Extreme Performance Heat Spreader- $175 total

SAMSUNG 1.44MB BLACK FLOPPY DRIVE Model# SFD321B/LBL - OEM, DRIVE ONLY- $8

WD WESTERN DIGITAL "SPECIAL EDITION" 80GB 7200RPM EIDE HARD DRIVE- $77

Logitech Cordless Elite Duo - RETAIL- $58

Lite On 52x32x52 Black Color CDRW Drive LTR-52327S - OEM- $40

LITE-ON XJ-HD166/XJ-HD 165H 16X DVD ROM Drive BLACK- OEM- $31

4x Speeze 80mm Cooling Fan FD08025S1M4- $8 total

Logitech Z-340 3 Piece Speaker System- $42

TYAN Radeon 9800 Pro-M 128MB DDR SDRAM Video Card with VGA out/ DVI-I, S-Video, Model# G9800 Pro-M- $329
(note: no reason to recommend this card specifically, but newegg didnt have the built by ATI in stock, it runs at the same core/memory speed as ATI's, and Tyan is a good solid brand from my experience)

TOTAL: $1096 (Pre-shipping, shipping to GA was 47 dollars for reference.)

OPTIONALLY:

ATI All-In-Wonder RADEON 9800 PRO 128MB DDR 8X AGP RETAIL- $376

Creative Labs Sound Blaster Live! Dolby Digital 5.1 Sound Card MODEL SB0226 - OEM

Note that I had no idea which monitor to go for. I also made everything visible black (keyboard, speakers, etc). Theres obviously alot of stuff you could tweak here, but I hope something here helps you out. Above all, good luck, and have fun.
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EDIT: And if you do go with a barton, I HIGHLY suggest you just set the FSB to 200 and forget about it, 95 percent of them overclock to 3200+ speeds (2200, 200x11) with stock cooling just fine. Just too big of an oppurtunity to pass up IMO.
 

loafbred

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Originally posted by: Booja555
Is the ATI Radeon 9800 Pro worth the extra 100$ vs. a 9700 Pro?

I have a PSU already?

Here's a good explanation of the difference between 9700 and 9800: 9800 vs 9700

If I had a 9700, I couldn't justify the difference, since I'm not wealthy. I did replace a Ti 4200 with an ATI 9800 Pro, and I think it was worth the price ($315). I sold the Ti 4200 (one of those Asus with the 3.3ns BGA memory) for $110.

Since the most demanding thing you're going to use your PC for is gaming, and you aren't interested in overclocking, it becomes even more important to know how much you want to spend. You might want to use an Intel 2.8, 800 bus ($214 retail) and whatever motherboard will give you the features you want, and performs well. That might force you to go with a cheaper case, audio, memory (and maybe less of it), etc. Not only is it important to know how much you want to spend, but you need to have an idea of how long you expect all of the individual parts to last. If you don't mind replacing parts often (or enjoy it, like myself), you might want to go with something slower and a lot cheaper, for now.

I think the "value" of computer parts is in the eye of the beholder. If a person gets some real enjoyment from a $600 cpu, and they have the disposable cash, then it's worth it to them. I prefer to change cpu and motherboard when the need (or desire) arises, and I change one or both approximately every six months. Most people don't want to spend a lot of time messing with their machine, and some of us chronic upgraders forget that when people ask us about the newest parts. We're inclined to tell you what we want, or have, and find it difficult to step back and look at things from your perspective. Likewise, you'll have to make an effort to understand why some of us make the choices we make, and how those choices might appeal to you, considering your needs and budget.

With all of that out of the way, I'll tell you what I have right now, and why I bought it:

Antec 800 series case - has room for what I need, and has good airflow, which I want for overclocking. I really don't care what it looks like :).

Antec True 430 power supply - I needed a new one when they first came out, and I knew it would power a bunch of fans and several drives. Antec's plain 350 watt would probably work just as well for me, but somehow I justified the extra $40 for it.

Athlon XP 2400+ - I bought it a few months ago, to replace a XP 2100+ (Palomino core). It cost me $74 shipped, and runs quite a bit faster and cooler, with much lower voltage. I think I really needed it :).

Abit NF-7 rev2 Ultra 400 motherboard - I just got this to replace a KT333 board, which served me well for about a year. It's noticeably faster. I think I needed it.

1GB of Kingston HyperX PC2700 - When I decided (for questionable reasons) to increase memory from 512 to 1024 MB, I couldn't resist the low price of this RAM at the time... $148. As it turned out, it runs well at 200 MHz, but with higher latencies. I'll probably be using this for a few more months.

WD 80GB SE HDD - It's big enough for me, and quicker than the 20GB it replaced. I needed it. I don't buy HDD's often.

ATI 9800 Pro, retail - won a cheap bid on eBay ($315 shipped). After trying Max Payne 2 with it, I'd have to say that it's a necessity. Never mind that I mostly use it to play SOF 2 and Quake 3 online, it just kicks ass :).

Creative Audigy 2 ZS - The Live 5.1 was getting a little old. I think I needed it. It sounds better, and I like that.

Klipsch ProMedia Ultra 5.1 speakers - I just got these, and there's no question that I needed them. Forget the price, they're worth it. Sell something if you have to.

Sony GDM 400 PS 19" CRT - The first 19" super-monitor for less than $1000, and I needed a monitor. That one hurt. I really like it, though. Today, I'd get an NEC.

Epson 1240U scanner - I use a scanner once every couple of months, and this one works very nicely. It stays unplugged most of the time.

Epson Photo 820 printer. It was $99 and does good photo quality. Ink not too expensive.