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New Company coming out, does this sound appealing?

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Acanthus

Lifer
Intel Pentium 4 Overclocked to 2933Mhz (2.93Ghz)
512MB of Corsair DDR400 memory operating at 400mhz cas 2.5-3-3
NVIDIA GeForce 4 Ti 4600
100GB 7200rpm ATA100 HDD
Sound Blaster Live Audigy
40x16x48 CDRW
16x DVD
Vapochill - 478 for pentium 4s
XP home preinstalled, Best Performance Drivers and settings preconfigged

2 Year Warranty, parts and labor

$2999
 
You can't be serious are you? This is what I saw on pricewatch, shipping included.

Athlon XP 2000
Iwill XP333
Geforce 4 Ti 4200 (in a few weeks)
400-watt case
256MB PC3200 x 2
16X DVD
Plextor 16x10x40
Turtle Beach Santa Cruz
56K Modem
Floppy
Millenium Glaciator 2/32dBa
4 ball bearing 30cfm/29dBa 80mm case fans

All this runs about $1100 total. Unlock the cpu, hit 200MHz fsb for 400MHz DDR speed, agp and pci still in spec. Run the cpu at 1800MHz, mod your case and your system is still cool and reasonably quiet. Overclock you video card to near Ti 4600 levels. Buy two of these suckers and save another $100 in shipping, total $2100. That leaves you $700-800 to buy an awesome LCD monitor, and still pay someone a couple of hundred dollars to put them together if you don't want too. Lan them together and have a party everynight!
You will end up with 95% of the performance of the $2995 system, you won't notice the difference. Two for one with a big hairy LCD thrown in, hope this puts it in perspective😉
 
nothing can come close to a P4@3Ghz, i thought the same the rig i am on is XP333 on an Unlocked 1800+ on a 200fsb (DDR400) was very dissapointed, probably that damn ALI chipset at work again. Ill have benchies to post here soon, expecting over 13500 in 3dmark.
 
I am not saying the 3GHz P4 isn't the fastest, but according to all the benchmarks out there it is 5-10% overall at best. If you don't like the Iwill, maybe try an Epox 8K3A. At least for me, the extra $1800 doesn't pay for a slight increase. That amount of money will more than pay for my time to build and unlock the AMD system. We need to put things into perspective and take the Pepsi Challenge.
If we compared the two systems in games and desktop applications without knowing which one we were using, how many people could actually see a difference? I know both systems for me would kick butt with equal pleasure. Don't let those artificial benchmarks or a few seconds/minutes in running Seti make you dish out an extra $1800!
 
I'm gonna have to agree with Rogue on this one. The price for that machine is way to much. The only people that will buy one are the people who need to have the best of everything, and think theyre getting the best.

For a price of $3000 i would want the soundblaster audigy platinum. 1 GB or ram plus a Raid-0 array.
 
raid 0 you will see no performance increase over ata100, i have researched this and have found the only thing it increases is boot time, seek times in raid 0 are actually slightly increased, and 1GB PC3200 Modules dont exist (yet) and no motherboard can run a 200 memory clock with 2 ddrs installed, this is the fastest system you can possibly buy for your money, unless you want the U160 SCSI that doesnt do much of anything but increase seek times with 15k rpm drives.

And its a lot more than 10% faster than an athlonXP@2Ghz we have tested over 50 computer configs and this is the top performer of them all.

We are also currently testing 2400mhz P4s to see if we can get 3200 stable.

Another thing our model features is the CPU is only part on the system out of spec, whereas any other rig at 200 memory is overclocking (with the exception of the sis645 users out there)

Oh and just FYI Ti4200s will come nowhere near Ti4600 speeds because the ram is TSOP instead of TBGA, they did this to kill performance and overclockability, and to save money.
 


<< I am not saying the 3GHz P4 isn't the fastest, but according to all the benchmarks out there it is 5-10% overall at best. >>



Please don't make me die laughing!

I don't know which benchmarks you are looking at, but a 3GHz P4 would absolutely destroy an Athlon XP 2200+ (This is the equivalent Model number for your 1800MHz Athlon). Check out Anand's 2.4GHz P4 vs. Athlon XP 2100+ article. Be sure to look at the graphs where he shows how the performance in a particular benchmark will scale with clockspeed. Since a 2.4GHz P4 will beat the Athlon XP 2100+ at almost everything, I highly doubt that a 66MHz increase will be able to compete with a 533MHz increase.

Not to mention that it also appears that the FSB is overclocked (since the CPU speed ends in 33MHz), which will also give the P4 a hefty boost in performance. Acanthus, don't listen to these naysayers. If you have $3000, then this wouldn't be a bad deal, but you could probably build it yourself for less. In the end, though, as you mentioned (and I have reiterated) you can be comforted that it will take a lot more than a small clock speed boost in an Athlon XP to beat that system.
 
jbond04, maybe you didn't catch it. He is the one selling these systems! I did more research and the benchmarks I am most interested in are gaming benchmarks. This is where the 3GHz P4 is only about 5-10% ahead. In other cpu benchmarks and applications the P4 is more than 10% faster.
I can't figure why you are putting in a top of the line gaming card if this isn't what you want the system for, gaming. For $3000 I would expect a top of the line SCSI array and a Wildcat video card to take advantage of the 3GHz P4's speed in programs where you can actually use it. And yes, with the Iwill XP333 you do have a 1/6 divider to run pci and agp in spec at 200MHz.

Let me summarize, the 3GHz P4 system you described is set up for gaming, and the $3000 pricetag does not justify the 5-10% performance increase you will get over a $1100 AMD system. If it is set up to be a true workstation with the proper components and you absolutely want the fastest and best, then maybe $3000 is justified. But those customers or companies that want that kind of performance will not tolerate an overclocked system. So that leaves a few enthusiasts for a customer base and most of them would probably build there own system for the fun and the savings.

Good luck, not meaning to sound too negative in your thread, but you asked so I answered.



 
Acathus:


<< and lets check out all the threads on how fun it is to unlock your athlon XP ;-) >>


and lets check out all the threads on how fun it is to unlock your P phour. Oh, can't find any?? ROTFLMAO😀

I think you'll find that a small peice of conductive rubber strip from an LCD screen can get the job done on an XP in under 1 minute.

Tsk..
 
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