New Civilization V patch incoming

[minmaster]

That's what Civ V feels like to me, a half assed derivative of Civ IV BTS. I haven't even had the stomach to try playing post patch which is sad considering I've played Civ since inception.

this is exactly how i feel.
i fired up civ5 after the update and spent 10 minutes and couldn't play any longer. i quit and i fired up civ4 bts and ended up wasting hours.

 

[Schadenfroh]

Holy crow - those are changes along the lines you'd see something in an MMO...

I think they should "give away" [include them in the patch] all of the DLCs so far as a way of saying "sorry..we shipped an unfinished product"

Yeh, waiting for a "game of the year" edition that includes all of the DLC for about $30 a year from now, after the patches make this game the way it should be. In the meantime, I will stick to Civ 4 and its mods.

 

[QuantumPion]

ill just say this; as a civ n00b, i think civ5 is pretty awesome. i never played the previous ones so i have no expectations. my friends are the same, never played, but we all got it last week and started playing and we all like it. havent played since this latest patch though. probably our only complaint was the poor multiplayer matchmaking. we had to use the steam friends list to join the game and there is no password protection so a few times we had some random person join before we launched.

That is good, it means when you get tired of Civ5 you can upgrade to Civ4 and think of it as CivVI! The graphics aren't any worse really, and the gameplay mechanics are far better once you learn the intricacies.

 

[StinkyPinky]

I have to say I find the "updated" diplomacy to be really frustrating.

Here's what I'm talking about

About 1000 B.C when I had only met the Egyptians I conquered a city state under their protection. So the Egyptians got enraged and denounced me. That's fine.

What's not fine is during the rest of the game the rest of the Civs denouncing me for being a warmonger because of that one incident. Wtf? So one incident in 1000BC dicated every single civs foreign policy towards me for the rest of the game. It's ridiclous to have Germany contact me in 1800 saying i'm a warmonger because of one minor war thousands of years ago. That's the only war I've had in the entire game! During diplomacy they even refer to me as the "blood thirsty one"

Meanwhile, Russia are merrily conquering half of their continent and have half a dozen friends...(they also call me blood thirsty by the way...hah!)

War seems pointless.

 

[CrimsonWolf]

I have to say I find the "updated" diplomacy to be really frustrating.

Here's what I'm talking about

About 1000 B.C when I had only met the Egyptians I conquered a city state under their protection. So the Egyptians got enraged and denounced me. That's fine.

What's not fine is during the rest of the game the rest of the Civs denouncing me for being a warmonger because of that one incident. Wtf? So one incident in 1000BC dicated every single civs foreign policy towards me for the rest of the game. It's ridiclous to have Germany contact me in 1800 saying i'm a warmonger because of one minor war thousands of years ago. That's the only war I've had in the entire game! During diplomacy they even refer to me as the "blood thirsty one"

Meanwhile, Russia are merrily conquering half of their continent and have half a dozen friends...(they also call me blood thirsty by the way...hah!)

War seems pointless.

Lol.

I started a game the other day with this patch. Catherine declared war on me early in the game. The terrain gave me a good choke point between her Civ and mine so I just killed whatever she sent my way. I wanted to focus on expanding into other parts of the continent so I didn't even bother sending any units into her Civ. Eventually she gives up and we declare peace.

To this day she still denounces me for being a warmonger. What. the. hell. You're the one that started that war...

 

[paperfist]

I have to say I find the "updated" diplomacy to be really frustrating.

Here's what I'm talking about

About 1000 B.C when I had only met the Egyptians I conquered a city state under their protection. So the Egyptians got enraged and denounced me. That's fine.

What's not fine is during the rest of the game the rest of the Civs denouncing me for being a warmonger because of that one incident. Wtf? So one incident in 1000BC dicated every single civs foreign policy towards me for the rest of the game. It's ridiclous to have Germany contact me in 1800 saying i'm a warmonger because of one minor war thousands of years ago. That's the only war I've had in the entire game! During diplomacy they even refer to me as the "blood thirsty one"

Meanwhile, Russia are merrily conquering half of their continent and have half a dozen friends...(they also call me blood thirsty by the way...hah!)

War seems pointless.

That's actually how Civilization has always been. You declare on someone and you took a negative hit for the rest of the game.

 

[Wardawg1001]

Civ 5 is an entertaining game and has the basic foundations of an amazing game after a few more patches and an expansion or two. Civ IV was the same way when it came out. You really CAN NOT compare Civ 5 on release to Civ IV in its current form. Civ IV has been worked on for years longer than Civ 5, has had two major expansions which GREATLY improved gameplay, and has had millions of hours of play testing with TONS of feedback from players. If you want to keep playing Civ IV because its a more polished and more enjoyable game, thats fine, but lets not pretend that Civ IV was ANYTHING like it currently is when it first released, and I think we can expect Civ V to undergo a similar process and eventually become superior to Civ IV in just about every way.

That said, I have also stopped playing Civ V for the time being (though I spent a good number of hours on it already). Too little variability in the game play, too many basic features missing (who the hell thought it was okay to release this game without the ability to tell automated workers to leave existing improvements alone?), and the AI needs a lot of work still. This patch is a huge step in the right direction, and I'll probably fire the game up again in the next couple days to see how all the changes affect the overall gameplay.

 

[minmaster]

from what i saw on the forums, many civ console players like civ5. they are ones who came from civrev. this was their target demographic for this game.

 

[paperfist]

Civ 5 is an entertaining game and has the basic foundations of an amazing game after a few more patches and an expansion or two. Civ IV was the same way when it came out. You really CAN NOT compare Civ 5 on release to Civ IV in its current form. Civ IV has been worked on for years longer than Civ 5, has had two major expansions which GREATLY improved gameplay, and has had millions of hours of play testing with TONS of feedback from players. If you want to keep playing Civ IV because its a more polished and more enjoyable game, thats fine, but lets not pretend that Civ IV was ANYTHING like it currently is when it first released, and I think we can expect Civ V to undergo a similar process and eventually become superior to Civ IV in just about every way.

That said, I have also stopped playing Civ V for the time being (though I spent a good number of hours on it already). Too little variability in the game play, too many basic features missing (who the hell thought it was okay to release this game without the ability to tell automated workers to leave existing improvements alone?), and the AI needs a lot of work still. This patch is a huge step in the right direction, and I'll probably fire the game up again in the next couple days to see how all the changes affect the overall gameplay.

Civ IV was buggy on release, but quite playable. Civ V was not buggy on release, but it was stripped of so many features, has an AI that seems to been untested with players being able to beat it at the higher levels, unbelievably slow production and a really wacky balance that it's an inferior game to even vanilla Civ IV.

Sorry, but minmaster is right this game turned its nose up a the core audience of PC players and tip its cap to console players. I don't ever think Civ V can rival Civ IV BTS simply because its design is intended for a completely different audience then Civ I - IV.

 

[lord_emperor]

Didn't see anything about speeding up production.

Entire wars should not take less time than producing 1 archer.

 

[Scouzer]

Didn't see anything about speeding up production.

Entire wars should not take less time than producing 1 archer.

the reduced production speed drives me nuts too.