New cars should come with factory dyno figures/graphs

[jdoggg12]

The V6 Mustang thread got me thinking...


Should new cars come with dyno specs? A universal test that shows the HP/torque curve for that car. Not an actual dyno of that individual car, but an average of a series of tests done by the manufacturer for that model/trim.

IMO, it would be a lot more fair to the consumer if the automakers (possibly regulated) placed it on the sticker right there with the EPA figures. Peak HP/Torque figures are not very informative.

Discuss.

 

[tfinch2]

New cars should could with factory dynos

 

[nakedfrog]

It would be nice... for the 10-20% of the population that cares and/or understands.

 

[SlowSpyder]

Should could.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: tfinch2
New cars should could with factory dynos

Should they, could they with a car?
They would not, should not with a car.

 

[jdoggg12]

:laugh:

edited, i was not paying full attention...

 

[IGBT]

..I just want trouble free emissions control..and not be pestered by "check engine" lights or "maint.required" lights do to trashy and faulty sensor technology. It's a hughe costly nuisince.

 

[zoiks]

Women should come with dyno charts too so that they can keep up.

 

[RichUK]

Originally posted by: nakedfrog
It would be nice... for the 10-20% of the population that cares and/or understands.

:thumbsup:

 

[purbeast0]

i voted no, simply because the dyno chart wouldn't mean anything to me.

 

[Journer]

no...they shouldnt...why?

1) very few people actually care
2) how much would it really impact you buying a car?
3) they already come with HP/tq ratings from the flywheel...thats plenty information to go test drive the car.

 

[jdoggg12]

Originally posted by: Journer
no...they shouldnt...why?

1) very few people actually care
2) how much would it really impact you buying a car?
3) they already come with HP/tq ratings from the flywheel...thats plenty information to go test drive the car.

I'd say more people (men) care about the graph than care about the other crap on there (emissions specifics, etc)

It would impact my decision if i saw that that 300hp car only did 300 for 1/10th the rev range vs the 250hp car that does it for 1/3 of it

Edit:

Also - it would be harder to have goofs like the rx-8 HP debacle that happened

 

[Tommouse]

I think they should. As people buy HP but drive TQ, would be helpful to many, myself included, to get a nice visual representation.

 

[RichUK]

Originally posted by: Journer
no...they shouldnt...why?

1) very few people actually care
2) how much would it really impact you buying a car?
3) they already come with HP/tq ratings from the flywheel...thats plenty information to go test drive the car.

Can you ever have too much information?

 

[dullard]

If you care, look it up before your big purchase. If you don't care, why confuse the masses with more stuff they'll throw away and clutter the landfills? If you must regulate it, just force the car dealerships to have a copy in house for the <1% who care enough to base their decision on it but not enough to look it up own their own.

 

[jdoggg12]

Originally posted by: dullard
If you care, look it up before your big purchase. If you don't care, why confuse the masses with more stuff they'll throw away and clutter the landfills? If you must regulate it, just force the car dealerships to have a copy in house for the <1% who care enough to base their decision on it but not enough to look it up own their own.

Finding the dyno graph for new models (stock) is nearly impossible.

It would be immensely useful for truck buyers who intend to haul. Torque info through the rev range would be very helpful in picking the truck/motor for their needs

 

[Mellman]

Originally posted by: jdoggg12

Originally posted by: dullard
If you care, look it up before your big purchase. If you don't care, why confuse the masses with more stuff they'll throw away and clutter the landfills? If you must regulate it, just force the car dealerships to have a copy in house for the <1% who care enough to base their decision on it but not enough to look it up own their own.

Finding the dyno graph for new models (stock) is nearly impossible.

It would be immensely useful for truck buyers who intend to haul. Torque info through the rev range would be very helpful in picking the truck/motor for their needs

not to mention cars are all different...however, this would just give something additional to the dealerships

"see sir this one here has 20 more ft lbs than this one over here...i don't even know what the heck a ft lb is but i want it, and if i want it you should want it, so thats why we are charging a $1000 power boost fee on this car instead of the one next to it"

My MS3 was a factory freak, it had at the wheels what mazda claimed it had at the crank But it was kindof a nice surprise. However for what i'd say is 90% of the car buying public...they don't know what torque is... let alone a dyno graph.

Plus others would be all up in arms about the engine being run hard from the factory...those who say an 'easy' break in is how you're supposed to do it...2-3 hard dyno pulls aren't exactly easy Then again I had my car dyno'd at 600 miles...and drove it moderately hard from mile 5...thats the way i decided i wanted to break it in.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: jdoggg12

Originally posted by: Journer
no...they shouldnt...why?

1) very few people actually care
2) how much would it really impact you buying a car?
3) they already come with HP/tq ratings from the flywheel...thats plenty information to go test drive the car.

I'd say more people (men) care about the graph than care about the other crap on there (emissions specifics, etc)

It would impact my decision if i saw that that 300hp car only did 300 for 1/10th the rev range vs the 250hp car that does it for 1/3 of it

Edit:

Also - it would be harder to have goofs like the rx-8 HP debacle that happened

The graph would be useless though because it wasn't for your specific car and testing every car would add cost. Since most people don't care anyway it wouldn't be worthwhile.

 

[homercles337]

Most americans dont understand the basics of math, science, and physics. How are they going to understand a dyno chart?

 

[natto fire]

Originally posted by: nakedfrog
It would be nice... for the 10-20% of the population that cares and/or understands.

I would say that is an optimistic estimate. I still talk to people that will argue with me that horsepower is more important than torque. Even after there is a simple one liner to dispel that myth. Nevermind the fact that horsepower is not even a force in physics, which is usually needed to make things move...

 

[SVT Cobra]

No because for those that care they can get the information other ways and that is a small population.

 

[jdoggg12]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: jdoggg12

Originally posted by: Journer
no...they shouldnt...why?

1) very few people actually care
2) how much would it really impact you buying a car?
3) they already come with HP/tq ratings from the flywheel...thats plenty information to go test drive the car.

I'd say more people (men) care about the graph than care about the other crap on there (emissions specifics, etc)

It would impact my decision if i saw that that 300hp car only did 300 for 1/10th the rev range vs the 250hp car that does it for 1/3 of it

Edit:

Also - it would be harder to have goofs like the rx-8 HP debacle that happened

The graph would be useless though because it wasn't for your specific car and testing every car would add cost. Since most people don't care anyway it wouldn't be worthwhile.

Umm....

Not an actual dyno of that individual car, but an average of a series of tests done by the manufacturer for that model/trim.

 

[SVT Cobra]

Originally posted by: jdoggg12

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: jdoggg12

Originally posted by: Journer
no...they shouldnt...why?

1) very few people actually care
2) how much would it really impact you buying a car?
3) they already come with HP/tq ratings from the flywheel...thats plenty information to go test drive the car.

I'd say more people (men) care about the graph than care about the other crap on there (emissions specifics, etc)

It would impact my decision if i saw that that 300hp car only did 300 for 1/10th the rev range vs the 250hp car that does it for 1/3 of it

Edit:

Also - it would be harder to have goofs like the rx-8 HP debacle that happened

The graph would be useless though because it wasn't for your specific car and testing every car would add cost. Since most people don't care anyway it wouldn't be worthwhile.

Umm....

Not an actual dyno of that individual car, but an average of a series of tests done by the manufacturer for that model/trim.

So then go on a forum for that car and find it for someone else's for FREE???

 

[jdoggg12]

whats the dyno chart of a stock v6 mustang look like? link?

 

[SVT Cobra]

Originally posted by: jdoggg12
whats the dyno chart of a stock v6 mustang look like? link?

modularfords: go look for yourself.