New Canon Digital Cameras

[Shivatron]

Originally posted by: Anubis
if it does 5fps with a 25 buffer thats inpressive teh D70 does 3 FPS and the buffer hits abfter about 15 with fast CF media

the D2H and 1DS do 8 FPS with a buffer of 40

I don't know if the Canon's numbers apply to RAW as well. As you probably know, Nikon has a very smart way of emptying the JPG buffer into memory while simultaneously reading RAW off the sensor. That's the only reason why the D70 can shoot so fast for so long. (If you try to shoot RAW with the D70 the buffer fills after 4 frames. )

It will be interesting to see -- RAW at 5fps for 25 frames is more than impressive; it's almost miraculous!

 

[GTaudiophile]

If I can grab a 20D with a lens for $1300 in late 2004/early 2005, I will be VERY happy!

 

[Anubis]

Originally posted by: Shivatron

Originally posted by: Anubis
if it does 5fps with a 25 buffer thats inpressive teh D70 does 3 FPS and the buffer hits abfter about 15 with fast CF media

the D2H and 1DS do 8 FPS with a buffer of 40

I don't know if the Canon's numbers apply to RAW as well. As you probably know, Nikon has a very smart way of emptying the JPG buffer into memory while simultaneously reading RAW off the sensor. That's the only reason why the D70 can shoot so fast for so long. (If you try to shoot RAW with the D70 the buffer fills after 4 frames. )

It will be interesting to see -- RAW at 5fps for 25 frames is more than impressive; it's almost miraculous!

yea the Nikon numbers are with Jpegs, the D2H buffer is 40 for jpeg and 25 for RAW IMO that canon number has to be for jpeg

I think i can get 5 out of the d70 in raw mode with a Ultra 2 CF card before the buffer works for me, i shoot raw+jpeg if i really need teh FPS ill just shoot large jpeg they look great anyway

cool thing about the D70 is that if you set the ic size to large jpen with normal jpeg compressing you can shoot untill the card if full nonstop because the buffer clears so fast

 

[Shivatron]

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
If I can grab a 20D with a lens for $1300 in late 2004/early 2005, I will be VERY happy!

Some guy called OneCall.com, list price is $1700USD for body and kit lens. ($1500 body only.)

 

[Doggiedog]

An S70 is coming out?!?

Aw crap!

I just bought an S60 thinking that was it for this year. :|

 

[DBL]

Originally posted by: Anubis
yea i saw this on DPreview last night

that 10-22 3.5-4.5 is more impressive to me then the camera, with the current 1.3 crop factor on the 10d Mark 2 this is 13-28 which is insane

Only problem is that the 10-22 is an EFs lens which means it will only work on the 300D and the 20D.

 

[randomlinh]

Originally posted by: Shivatron

Originally posted by: aceO07
OMG!! The 17-85mm IS USM EF-S Lens is REAL!! It's on the 20D!

But it's only F/4-5.6... too bad, would have liked to see F/3.5-4 like on the 24-85.

#%@#%@#%... gunna have to wait to see how the 18-50 f/2.8 sigma goes.... but it's not HSM I don't think... my stupid 28-135 has spoiled the crap out of me

 

[Anubis]

Originally posted by: DBL

Originally posted by: Anubis
yea i saw this on DPreview last night

that 10-22 3.5-4.5 is more impressive to me then the camera, with the current 1.3 crop factor on the 10d Mark 2 this is 13-28 which is insane

Only problem is that the 10-22 is an EFs lens which means it will only work on the 300D and the 20D.

now that sucks

 

[DBL]

Originally posted by: lnguyen
#%@#%@#%... gunna have to wait to see how the 18-50 f/2.8 sigma goes.... but it's not HSM I don't think... my stupid 28-135 has spoiled the crap out of me

I have the 28-135 IS also and I think I would probably sell it along w/ my 10D in order to get the 20D and the 17-85. Both lenses are about the same speed and include IS but the 17-85 is a much more practical focal range for a 1.6 crop camera. The only issue would be if a practically priced 1.3x crop or less camera came out in the future, you would need to unload your EFs lenses.

 

[Kelvrick]

They fix it? Link is dead, and I don't see any new cameras by going their from the home page.

 

[randomlinh]

Originally posted by: DBL

Originally posted by: lnguyen
#%@#%@#%... gunna have to wait to see how the 18-50 f/2.8 sigma goes.... but it's not HSM I don't think... my stupid 28-135 has spoiled the crap out of me

I have the 28-135 IS also and I think I would probably sell it along w/ my 10D in order to get the 20D and the 17-85. Both lenses are about the same speed and include IS but the 17-85 is a much more practical focal range for a 1.6 crop camera. The only issue would be if a practically priced 1.3x crop or less camera came out in the future, you would need to unload your EFs lenses.

I agree that the 17-85 would be a much better range, but I don't know if being a tad slower will hurt... as I needed the wide angle for mostly indoor type shots. Which is why the 18-125 sigma was a real eye catcher, but I couldn't stand the vintaging I saw on most samples.

Ah well, we'll see in a few months... my next lenses were going to be a 20mm sigma, and a 70-200 simga... a 70-200 IS would be nice, but .... yeah.. heh.

 

[DBL]

Originally posted by: lnguyen
I agree that the 17-85 would be a much better range, but I don't know if being a tad slower will hurt... as I needed the wide angle for mostly indoor type shots. Which is why the 18-125 sigma was a real eye catcher, but I couldn't stand the vintaging I saw on most samples.

Ah well, we'll see in a few months... my next lenses were going to be a 20mm sigma, and a 70-200 simga... a 70-200 IS would be nice, but .... yeah.. heh.

Well, I have the Sigma 20mm f/1.8 and find it extremely useful for available light photography. However, it can be a bit soft towards the wide-open end but it is generally good from f/2.8 on. It's more of a specialty lens though.

My guess is that the 17-85 should be adequate for indoor photography. f/4 at 17mm should be able to mange decent enough SS's at >= ISO 400. Throw in the IS and I pretty sure you should get more than adequate results. Of course, if you are after constant professional grade results, you would probably need a faster lens or need to use a tripod.

 

[randomlinh]

Originally posted by: DBL
Throw in the IS and I pretty sure you should get more than adequate results.

Ah yes, IS... that slipped my mind for some reason ISO 400 is ok... would like to avoid that of course. There's always flash and a difuser...

The only question is will canon sell it separately from the kit, and for how much.

 

[DBL]

Originally posted by: lnguyen

Originally posted by: DBL
Throw in the IS and I pretty sure you should get more than adequate results.

Ah yes, IS... that slipped my mind for some reason ISO 400 is ok... would like to avoid that of course. There's always flash and a difuser...

The only question is will canon sell it separately from the kit, and for how much.

ISO 400 on the 10D or Rebel is more than ok. What camera do you have? Properly exposed, there is not much significant noise at all. Noise can become obtrusive at 800 although it's still pretty excellent compared to other cameras and mediums. In general though, I can't see staying away from ISO 400 and sacrificing Tv. That, much more than the noise at 400 will guarantee a poor result.

 

[aceO07]

Originally posted by: DBL
ISO 400 on the 10D or Rebel is more than ok. What camera do you have? Properly exposed, there is not much significant noise at all. Noise can become obtrusive at 800 although it's still pretty excellent compared to other cameras and mediums. In general though, I can't see staying away from ISO 400 and sacrificing Tv. That, much more than the noise at 400 will guarantee a poor result.

I've seen good shots at iso1600 on the Digital Rebel.

 

[Sketcher]

Canon EOS 20D

 

[Koing]

So OP where were you doing surfing that part of Canon's site?! Or did you find a link from somewhere else?

Anyway I'm just kidding and a sweet fine

Koing

 

[Mayfriday0529]

link is dead now.

 

[DBL]

Originally posted by: aceO07

I've seen good shots at iso1600 on the Digital Rebel.

Absolutely, although the noise is noticeable at 1600. I've even gotten useful shots at 3200, although I would prefer to avoid that setting if possible. I'm mystified by those who would avoid using ISO 400 -1600 provided the situation calls for it as you generally are much better off sacrificing some noise in the interest of shutter speed in order to get acceptable results.

 

[randomlinh]

Originally posted by: DBL

Originally posted by: aceO07

I've seen good shots at iso1600 on the Digital Rebel.

Absolutely, although the noise is noticeable at 1600. I've even gotten useful shots at 3200, although I would prefer to avoid that setting if possible. I'm mystified by those who would avoid using ISO 400 -1600 provided the situation calls for it as you generally are much better off sacrificing some noise in the interest of shutter speed in order to get acceptable results.

I have a digtal rebel (to answer your other question). And I know 400 is pretty usable, I'm just a nit picky person To be honest, I just haven't shot enough to get a feel for the camera yet. Been kinda busy.

Regarless, I'm anxious to see how the 18-85 IS lens will do... might replace my 28-135 as the all around lens...

 

[Deadtrees]

It's good that Canon is coming out with a decent and cheap DSLR cameras.
I hope Nikon learned a lesson from their past disaster(D70) and come out with something decent as well.
Competition is good!

That new lens is, indeed, a killer and I see 10D's values began to drop rapdily as that lens won't mount on 10D.

 

[Shivatron]

Originally posted by: Deadtrees
I hope Nikon learned a lesson from their past disaster(D70) and come out with something decent as well.

I don't know why you keep harping on the D70. I'm as excited as anyone else about the new 20D, but quite frankly, your continual Nikon-bashing is getting tiring. The D70 has less noticable noise at high ISO, better resolving power due to a lower-strength AA filter, and a flash and metering system that's light years ahead of Canon. Until the 20D is released, it also has the edge on performance (3fps almost continuous with a flash card, not to mention instant-on and less shutter lag than Canon) and kit lens quality as well.

There are many good reasons to buy a Canon over a Nikon (MLU, butter-smooth ISO100, less moire, magnesium body on the 10D and presumably, on the 20D as well), but the D70 is an excellent camera in its own right (i-TTL, spot metering, a kit lens that doesn't feel like a toy). Read the forums at DPReview and FredMiranda -- there are people who have traded their 10Ds for D70s (and vice versa, of course).

 

[GoingUp]

When is the official release date? I want to pick up an S70.....

 

[Shivatron]

Originally posted by: Gobadgrs
When is the official release date? I want to pick up an S70.....

Well, word on the internet is that the NDA will be lifted today or tommorow. Don't expect to see product in stores until this time next month though.

 

[GoingUp]

Originally posted by: Shivatron

Originally posted by: Gobadgrs
When is the official release date? I want to pick up an S70.....

Well, word on the internet is that the NDA will be lifted today or tommorow. Don't expect to see product in stores until this time next month though.

I want to know the specs! I have an s40 that I love right now and I would like to upgrade!