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JediKnight

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1. What YOUR PC will be used for. That means what types of tasks you'll be performing.
Gaming, media playback, etc.
My gaming requirements are somewhat modest: most of the unplayed games in my collection are not extremely new and have been bought from Steam sales (to venture a guess, Crysis 2 is probably the most demanding). I would like to be able to run games currently available and those that will soon be released flawlessly. I plan on using a single 1080p monitor, for the time being, although adding a second one is certainly not out of the question.

My media storage requirements are quite large, however. I'm always finding I could make use of more storage space. I do not currently back up everything properly.

2. What YOUR budget is. A price range is acceptable as long as it's not more than a 20% spread
My main criteria is value (bang for the buck). I am willing to pay more for useful performance gains, but I will not throw good money after bad (ex. my impression is SLI/Crossfire is wasteful, as my understanding is it only provides a 50% performance increase at 200% of the price). I would rather spend $300 on a part that will be obsolete in two years, than $600 on a part that will be obsolete in four (on the basis that the $300 part will meet my needs for two years, and the replacement at that time will be more powerful than the $600 part from two years ago).

That said, I'll pick a number of say, oh, $1000 +/- 20% as the starting point. I do have the means to go above that if there is a compelling reason to do so.

3. What country YOU will be buying YOUR parts from.

Canada

4. IF you're buying parts OUTSIDE the US, please post a link to the vendor you'll be buying from.
We can't be expected to scour the internet on your behalf, chasing down deals in your specific country... Again, help us, help YOU.

www.newegg.ca
www.ncix.com
www.canadacomputers.com
www.memoryexpress.com
www.amazon.ca

5. IF YOU have a brand preference. That means, are you an Intel-Fanboy, AMD-Fanboy, ATI-Fanboy, nVidia-Fanboy, Seagate-Fanboy, WD-Fanboy, etc.

I don't really feel strongly any way here. In general, though:
Intel over AMD
nVidia over ATI
WD over Seagate (I've heard Seagate's had a bunch of problems recently? I may be misinformed..)

6. If YOU intend on using any of YOUR current parts, and if so, what those parts are.

I will keep my current monitor. I could use my current GPU (Radeon HD 7850 Core Edition), as I upgraded to it ~1.25 years ago, but it would likely be a bottleneck.

7. IF YOU plan on overclocking or run the system at default speeds.

Probably at default speeds.

8. What resolution, not monitor size, will you be using?

1920x1080

9. WHEN do you plan to build it?
Note that it is usually not cost or time effective to choose your build more than a month before you actually plan to be using it.

Within the next few weeks.

X. Do you need to purchase any software to go with the system, such as Windows or Blu Ray playback software?

I'll probably need to pick up a copy of Windows (not included in the above budget). Likely Win 7, as what I have seen of Win 8, I do not like (though, I haven't seen the recent updates).
 
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mvbighead

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This should be a fairly good start:

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3sfVP
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3sfVP/by_merchant/
Benchmarks: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3sfVP/benchmarks/

CPU: Intel Core i5-4670 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($204.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: ASRock B85 Pro4 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($64.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: Patriot Viper 3 Low Profile Red 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($62.98 @ Amazon)
Storage: PNY Optima 240GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($89.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($56.98 @ OutletPC)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($56.98 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 760 2GB Video Card ($224.99 @ Micro Center)
Case: Corsair 200R ATX Mid Tower Case ($39.99 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: Corsair Builder 500W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($44.99 @ Micro Center)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($19.98 @ OutletPC)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($89.98 @ OutletPC)
Total: $956.84
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-04-15 14:21 EDT-0400)

I have 2 x 1TB drives listed for the purposes of using in a RAID1 configuration. This is not a 'backup' solution, but simply a data protection solution in the event that you experience a single drive failure. If your house burns down, you'll lose your data.

Also, the above prices are based in the US, you might have to substitute selections for the Canadian equivalent. Couldn't find a way to make that site go Canadian, and there doesn't appear to be a pcpartpicker.ca either.

EDIT: Scratch all this... $250 for the same CPU in newegg.ca, so the above is likely far too high.
 

Ken g6

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Here's a pared-down version, from only your preferred vendors:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-4570 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($219.99 @ NCIX)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-B85M-D3H Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($86.98 @ Amazon Canada)
Memory: A-Data XPG V1.0 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($79.99 @ NCIX)
Storage: Crucial M500 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($89.98 @ Newegg Canada)
Storage: Western Digital AV-GP 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($116.98 @ Newegg Canada)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 760 2GB Video Card ($289.98 @ Newegg Canada)
Power Supply: Antec Neo Eco 620W 80+ Certified ATX Power Supply ($49.98 @ Newegg Canada)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($26.98 @ Newegg Canada)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($119.98 @ Newegg Canada)
Total: $1080.84
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-04-15 18:01 EDT-0400)

If you want to back up "properly", I suggest an external HDD. It might fit in the 20% leeway.
 
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mfenn

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Also, the above prices are based in the US, you might have to substitute selections for the Canadian equivalent. Couldn't find a way to make that site go Canadian, and there doesn't appear to be a pcpartpicker.ca either.

ca.pcpartpicker.com is the address you're looking for.

Here's a pared-down version, from only your preferred vendors:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-4570 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($219.99 @ NCIX)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-B85M-D3H Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($86.98 @ Amazon Canada)
Memory: A-Data XPG V1.0 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($79.99 @ NCIX)
Storage: Crucial M500 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($89.98 @ Newegg Canada)
Storage: Western Digital AV-GP 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($116.98 @ Newegg Canada)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 760 2GB Video Card ($289.98 @ Newegg Canada)
Power Supply: Antec Neo Eco 620W 80+ Certified ATX Power Supply ($49.98 @ Newegg Canada)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($26.98 @ Newegg Canada)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($119.98 @ Newegg Canada)
Total: $1080.84
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-04-15 18:01 EDT-0400)

If you want to back up "properly", I suggest an external HDD. It might fit in the 20% leeway.

Looks good!
 
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NewYorksFinest

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Here's a pared-down version, from only your preferred vendors:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-4570 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($219.99 @ NCIX)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-B85M-D3H Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($86.98 @ Amazon Canada)
Memory: A-Data XPG V1.0 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($79.99 @ NCIX)
Storage: Crucial M500 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($89.98 @ Newegg Canada)
Storage: Western Digital AV-GP 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($116.98 @ Newegg Canada)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 760 2GB Video Card ($289.98 @ Newegg Canada)
Power Supply: Antec Neo Eco 620W 80+ Certified ATX Power Supply ($49.98 @ Newegg Canada)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($26.98 @ Newegg Canada)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($119.98 @ Newegg Canada)
Total: $1080.84
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-04-15 18:01 EDT-0400)

If you want to back up "properly", I suggest an external HDD. It might fit in the 20% leeway.

Now, does the OP even need 2TB of storage? I would buy a 1TB HDD and a 256GB SSD. It is getting harder and harder to build a machine without an SSD.

Now, excuse me, I got 1-2 inches of snow :rolleyes: and just took out the summer equipment.
 

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Now, does the OP even need 2TB of storage? I would buy a 1TB HDD and a 256GB SSD. It is getting harder and harder to build a machine without an SSD.

Now, excuse me, I got 1-2 inches of snow :rolleyes: and just took out the summer equipment.

The OP has stated that his storage requirements are "quite large" and that he will be using his computer for "media playback". Simply because you have been unable to fill up a large hard drive does not mean other do not.

A 256 SSD is worth it over a 120 GB one though.
 

Essence_of_War

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A 256 SSD is worth it over a 120 GB one though.

Def this!

And I believe the Crucial's are on-sale for 256 GB for $110. That's a nice upgrade over the $90 for 120 GB!

Edit:
If you want to back up "properly", I suggest an external HDD. It might fit in the 20% leeway.
I would certainly 2nd this, as well!
 

JediKnight

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Now, does the OP even need 2TB of storage? I would buy a 1TB HDD and a 256GB SSD. It is getting harder and harder to build a machine without an SSD.

Now, excuse me, I got 1-2 inches of snow :rolleyes: and just took out the summer equipment.

Even need 2TB? I scoff at that question :)
At my last count.. I think I have 16TB of storage (mostly external drives) connected to my current machine. (~3TB free)

Yeah, it sounds like a lot, when I put it that way :)
I've just been adding to my growing collection of drives as the latest one fills up..
 

JediKnight

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.. I should probably add that one thing I'd like to have (impacting the case choice, as well as the mobo, probably) is room to expand, particularly for adding more HDDs (I meant to say that in the original post, but I wasn't explicit about it).
 

mvbighead

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How many hard drives are you planning on having internally?

You suggestion of 16TB or better leads me to believe some sort of NAS solution may be a better option. Only trouble is, that'll require some investment.
 

JediKnight

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How many hard drives are you planning on having internally?

You suggestion of 16TB or better leads me to believe some sort of NAS solution may be a better option. Only trouble is, that'll require some investment.

As many as I can possibly fit :)
Likely, I'll just start out with one or two.. but I'd like to be able to add on as my storage needs increase. My current box has only space for two drives (and they're a PITA to access). I've felt very constrained by that..

I don't see the benefit of NAS. I did a quick search, and it's $350+ (maybe I'm looking in the wrong place?) for a 4-bay enclosure.. and that doesn't include the hard drives. I don't think I get $350 of value out of that..
 
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mfenn

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The benefit of a NAS over 16 TB of external storage is compactness, easy to access as one share rather than having to manage moving files around, RAID protection for when (not if) a drive fails, and the ability to access the files from any device without needing your PC to be on.
 

JediKnight

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BTW: What the fuck is going on with GPU pricing??!
I see a R9 280X "on sale" at NCIX for $349.99 (supposedly, $100 off). A good deal! I think..

only to look it up and find the MSRP is supposed to be $299!

http://www.anandtech.com/show/7828/amd-announces-radeon-r9-280-radeon-hd-7950b-returns:
"Meanwhile for the launch of the 280 AMD has set the MSRP at $279. However retail prices will be highly questionable, as market prices are still supporting $400+ for the 280X. AMD did specifically address pricing in their announcement, stating that they expect the 280 to ease some of these Tahiti supply problems, but all we can do is wait and see."
Bloody hell.. WTF is going on here??!
 

mfenn

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Two words: cryptocoin mining

Basically, AMD GPUs turn out to be really good at mining bitcoins, litecoins, dogecoins, etc., so miners bought all the GPUs that AMD could make. Supply > demand, therefore prices rise. If you thing that $350 is a high price, you should have seen what they were at in February; you couldn't find one below $500.
 

JediKnight

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Two words: cryptocoin mining

Basically, AMD GPUs turn out to be really good at mining bitcoins, litecoins, dogecoins, etc., so miners bought all the GPUs that AMD could make. Supply > demand, therefore prices rise. If you thing that $350 is a high price, you should have seen what they were at in February; you couldn't find one below $500.

So for someone who *isn't* going to be doing that (I think the whole thing's a pyramid scheme.. but that's another story!).. are Geforce GPUs the better value? Or did nVidia raise their prices because they can, as well?
 

JediKnight

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So for someone who *isn't* going to be doing that (I think the whole thing's a pyramid scheme.. but that's another story!).. are Geforce GPUs the better value? Or did nVidia raise their prices because they can, as well?

OTOH..
How much $$ could one make by mining crypto coins with a R280X?
I don't care about power consumption (included in my rent)..
 

mfenn

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So for someone who *isn't* going to be doing that (I think the whole thing's a pyramid scheme.. but that's another story!).. are Geforce GPUs the better value? Or did nVidia raise their prices because they can, as well?

In the absence of competition, Nvidia pricing did go up as well. As of right now, the GTX 770 and R9 280X are pretty much neck-and-neck in terms of pricing. That gives the R9 280X a slight edge IMHO because it is slightly faster on average and has an extra gig of VRAM.

OTOH..
How much $$ could one make by mining crypto coins with a R280X?
I don't care about power consumption (included in my rent)..

No idea. My understanding is that the "difficulty factor" of the popular coins (i.e. the ones with value) is high enough that you won't make your money back.