New Build

[LeeLlera]

Greetings to everyone here, I am new here. This is my first time to build a PC and I have come up with these parts based on my limited knowledge and a little bit of research, but first as what I've noticed in most of the new build threads here:

1. What YOUR PC will be used for. That means what types of tasks you'll be performing.
-Mostly gaming, photoshop, manifold and some daily tasks like watching movies and internet browsing.

2. What YOUR budget is. A price range is acceptable as long as it's not more than a 20% spread
-maximum of P70,000.00

3. What country YOU will be buying YOUR parts from.
-Philippines.

4. IF you're buying parts OUTSIDE the US, please post a link to the vendor you'll be buying from.
-https://www.dropbox.com/s/3tmuruj4r0ik14o/7-12-13-new-long_dealers%20price.pdf

5. IF YOU have a brand preference. That means, are you an Intel-Fanboy, AMD-Fanboy, ATI-Fanboy, nVidia-Fanboy, Seagate-Fanboy, WD-Fanboy, etc.

-Intel.. maybe nVidia too

6. If YOU intend on using any of YOUR current parts, and if so, what those parts are.
-LG Optical Drive, WD 7200 RPM, a mouse, keyboard

7. IF YOU plan on overclocking or run the system at default speeds.
-maybe at default speeds.

8. What resolution, not monitor size, will you be using?
-1920x1080

9. WHEN do you plan to build it?
-2 weeks from now, 3 weeks at most


X. Do you need to purchase any software to go with the system, such as Windows or Blu Ray playback software?
-Nope

So here are the parts that I've come up with:

CPU: Intel Core i7 4770 -P13,400.00
Motherboard: Asus H87M-E - P5,650.00
RAM: G.skill RipJaws 8gb 1600 (12800CL9D) 2x4 - P3,450.00
SSD : Intel SSD Series 335 240Gb - P8,900.00
GPU: Asus GTX 670 dcII 2gb - P19,600.00
PSU - Seasonic S12II 520w - P2,950.00
Case: Not sure.. corsair 300r windowed or 400r?
Monitor: Asus VS239H-P IPS 1920x1080 - P8,550.00

I know you guys know what to do, so feel free and thanks! Your help really means a lot!:thumbsup:

 

[LeeLlera]

by the way how can I remove the other thread? I accidentally posted this twice. Really sorry.

 

[Cerb]

Overall, it looks good. You might want to talk to them, though, and see when they'll be getting GTX 760 cards in, and what they'll cost. At 1080P, a GTX 760 is || close to a 670 in performance, and substantially cheaper over here, but they've only been out for a couple of weeks. An Asus or MSI would be ideal, for also getting a great cooler with it.

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/830?vs=854

Case wise, the 300R and 400R look good for the money. Given the limited selection, if you wanted something a little nicer, the Antec P280 would be it, but I'm not sure it's worth the price difference. If you're not going to replace all the fans, you don't get that much with the 400R, IMO (obviously lehtv and I don't see eye to eye ), so if you want to just unbox it and put it together, go for the 300R. The fans, and their placement, right out of the box, will be just fine.

No clue about the monitor, though.

P.S. Will ping a mod for merging

 

[lehtv]

Looks great actually.

I would change the Asus 670 to the cheaper MSI 670 Power Edition P18,150.

300RW and 400R are both nice cases, personally would take 400R.

 

[LeeLlera]

Thank you Cerb and lehtv.

Cerb, thank you for that, I'm going to ask them about the 760. The antec p280 is a bit expensive so maybe going with the corsairs. and yeah, thanks!

lehtv, I will be receiving a copy of Windows 7 as a present so I did not included it here. and about the MSI 670, I prefer the Asus' cooler and I think the MSI has a reference design cooler.. not really sure: http://msi.com/product/vga/N670GTX-PM2D2GD5-OC.html#?div=Specification

http://pcx.com.ph/components/graphic-cards-1/msi-n670gtx-2gb-ddr5-256bit.html

This may sound stupid but maybe I'm going with the 300r because it is windowed. haha.

 

[lehtv]

The MSI Power Edition does not have a reference cooler, it has a Twin Frozr IV cooler which is actually quite good.

http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/msi_geforce_gtx_670_power_edition_oc_review,1.html

The Asus cooler may be slightly better (not sure) but the Power Edition comes with a larger factory overclock and like Power Editions typically, I'm quite sure it uses higher end components, see for example review at Hardwarecanucks. The main factor here, however, is the price. Asus is 8% more expensive, but really it should be the same price

This may sound stupid but maybe I'm going with the 300r because it is windowed. haha.

Nah that's a perfectly valid reason . It's a good case.

 

[LeeLlera]

I'm quite confused with the ones in their site but if the one on your link is what they have then it will be an option. So 300r it is. haha. So are the other parts good? just making sure.

 

[lehtv]

Yeah the other parts are good.

 

[Cerb]

So are the other parts good? just making sure.

Yes. I can't speak for the monitor specifically, but the relative price looks right for what it is, and Asus generally makes good gaming-centric monitors.

The only thing with the graphics card is that the 760 is 90-95% as fast (in some games, just as fast), but 25-30% cheaper, a bit lower power (less heat made), doesn't have the performance fragility of the previous 660 series, and were released at $260 here, v. $330-400 for a GTX 670 (they've been going down in price). If they're not getting any GTX 760s in soon, or the prices aren't much different, a 670 is a good GPU.

As far as MSI v. Asus, Asus has, over the past several years, positioned their cards as being fairly tolerable in terms of noise, often having the lowest idle noise of any stock coolers. MSI has been going for higher stock OCs, and better parts to facilitate user overclocking. Both make excellent cards, doubly so for the ones with the multi-fan coolers, and the differences between the two are mostly splitting hairs.

 

[LeeLlera]

Thanks lehtv.

Cerb, yes I did not forget about the 760 and I will still have to ask if it will be available in their stores soon but if not, I'm getting the 670, probably going after MSI this time but if the asus will drop in price (probably not but hopefully it will. haha) then I may consider ASUS. About the monitor, I was thinking the same thing.I think it's IPS.I have one question, which is better in terms of image quality, response time and input lag? I've read that IPS is slower in terms of response time and input lag. I'm really not sure. I haven't had experience with both before.

 

[Cerb]

Good IPS monitors are worse in terms of response time than good TN, but even low-end IPS panels are far superior in terms of color, and viewing angle. As in, you could walk into a room and tell the panel technology apart from 30 feet away. Also, the really fast TNs tend to have even worse image quality than other TN panels.

Total input lag is affected not just by the panel, but the electronics behind it. Asus and Samsung have generally been good about keeping that to a minimum, along with Dell, for some series. User reviews are positive on the subject, for that model, but I can't find measurements.

 

[LeeLlera]

Thanks cerb, when it comes to gaming, will it matter?

 

[Cerb]

Thanks cerb, when it comes to gaming, will it matter?

Yes, but you can't have it all. If fast frames are an OK trade for a dull washed-out display, a 120Hz TN is where it's at. If you want more in the way of immersion, and/or decent looking images and movies, go IPS. While I couldn't find measurements for that model, and haven't seen it working in person, it's predecessor had good input lag, many reviews make mention of it having low input lag, and Asus has generally been good about keeping input lag in check, so it should be a good, balanced monitor for you.

 

[LeeLlera]

Thanks Cerb. Your help is much appreciated. Most parts are good to go, I may need to keep track of GPU, I'm going to post it here if there will be updates on the store about the GPU. For now, I'll have to confirm for the availability of the parts. Thanks again!

 

[Cerb]

To elaborate on the GPU, several parts have prices very similar to what we're paying for them, with a straight-up conversion. FI, the Corsair 300R is normally $90-100, and converts to almost exactly $100.

The MSI GTX 670 converts to $418, the Asus to $451. Now, we were paying those kinds of prices for that card, months ago. Just about 3 weeks ago, the GTX 760 was released, and the GTX 770 just a few weeks before that. So, both are new. The GTX 760 has almost the performance of the GTX 670, for $250-280, and the GTX 770 is a bit faster than the GTX 680, for $420-450 (so, actually, you might also have the option to go for more performance for the same money, but we're typically geared towards wallet padding, here in GH ).

They're all right in a fitting cost range for that kind of build, but the recent refresh models are better, for the money, assuming the graphics cards over there get priced similarly to our MSRPs. But, if it's going to be awhile before they make there way to you, or if the prices are not matching ours for other reason, a GTX 670 is a fine card--the replacements for it and the 680 simply happen to have just come out.

 

[lehtv]

I think it's a bit of an overstatement to say that any TN panel with good response time is dull and washed out. In general you can have two of these three:

- cheap
- good response time / refresh rate
- good image quality

That is to say that expensive TN panels with good responsiveness have pretty good image quality, not IPS but nowhere near as bad as on cheap TN panels. Case in point - I've owned both Samsung 2233rz 120hz and BenQ XL2411T 144hz. Both are excellent for gaming, but the Samsung panel is much cheaper and surprise surprise, has much worse image quality. The BenQ looks better than my 60hz 27" Iiyama TN which was the same price.

 

[Cerb]

not IPS but nowhere near as bad as on cheap TN panels.

Oh, no doubt. If it came off wrong, the comparison was mostly to IPS, though the best looking TNs still seem to rely on DSP work, dithering, etc., to stretch the panel's color handling, since getting both lights and darks looking good on TN seems almost impossible...and none of that work done is good for input lag. Good TN are fine, and I actually prefer them for text (I'm using one right now, though I'm tempted to get an e-IPS for gaming ), since they universally have less of the, "screen door effect," that IPS has. But, even the e-IPS monitors, as long as they have OK backlighting, are far and away better than even good TNs, when it comes to color, mainly in that they can easily do good near-blacks and near-whites, at the same time (though actual color accuracy can be about the same, w/ e-IPS).

 

[LeeLlera]

Greetings everyone, I've already ordered the parts but unfortunately the power supply is not available, can anyone recommend an alternative? here's the link for the choices: https://www.dropbox.com/s/jlhsevlpsyl7zbm/7-24-13-new-long_dealers price.pdf
I've been thinking about getting the Corsair TX Bronze 650w as an alternative.

 

[lehtv]

Is Seasonic 620W available? It's much less expensive than that TX (3450 vs 4800)

 

[LeeLlera]

the store stopped responding to my emails, I did ask them about the seasonic 620w but there's no response. I am holding on for now, I am thinking to look for another store. I did found another store, here's their facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/cebuappliancecenter?fref=ts
and Cerb, I think they have the 760. They also have a corsair 500r and fractal and nzxt cases.

 

[LeeLlera]

Hello everyone, I think I'll be buying the parts at the first store except the gpu and psu and I'll just buy the gpu and psu at the 2nd store. Unless you guys can find some items that are better in the 2nd store compared to that of the first, Their items are the one in their albums and they're already sorted according to parts. Any recommendations for the psu and gpu at the second store?

 

[mfenn]

Hello everyone, I think I'll be buying the parts at the first store except the gpu and psu and I'll just buy the gpu and psu at the 2nd store. Unless you guys can find some items that are better in the 2nd store compared to that of the first, Their items are the one in their albums and they're already sorted according to parts. Any recommendations for the psu and gpu at the second store?

Maybe I am blind, but I don't see a price list for the second store?

 

[LeeLlera]

Yeah, I was also looking for a pricelist but I think they don't have. I think the prices of the item is in the description of the photo.

 

[mfenn]

Wow, Facebook as a replacement for an actual web site with prices. That is pretty lame!

 

[LeeLlera]

Yeah, it is actually. It really is an inconvenience. In my situation, options are really limited, since I live in a place where there is no local shop for mid - high end computer parts so it could have been more convenient if they have a website, not just a facebook account. Anyway, I'll try listing the items down here when I have time.