New Boss is the same as old Boss part 23,764

[bamacre]

Bamacre, welcome to the idiot list.

Sweet.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

What has he done that is really different than Bush and Clinton and Reagan? He's championed war and corporate welfare. He hasn't raised taxes on your Lords **ahem** I mean the wealthy. He hasn't stopped the China cheap labor party. He signed a health care bill with corporate handouts worthy of Medicare Part D. What's changed?

Uhh... do you along with the other twits not understand that just because someone may dole out corporate welfare does not mean they aren't a socialist. Do you people really not understand that it's driving even more and more dependence on the Fed gov't? Who does everyone look too? Consolidation of powers? Boy you people are blind...

 

[BoberFett]

incoming craig wall of apologist text and finger pointing bu bu bad republicans in 3..2...

Bwahahahahaha! Good call.

 

[Red Dawn]

Uhh... do you along with the other twits not understand that just because someone may dole out corporate welfare does not mean they aren't a socialist. Do you people really not understand that it's driving even more and more dependence on the Fed gov't? Who does everyone look too? Consolidation of powers? Boy you people are blind...

And you believe that the other party would be any different?

 

[woolfe9999]

It isn't exactly surprising that people on the far right think he's a socialist, and people on the far left think he's a corporatist. To extremists, there are no in betweens. Such is the fate of any politician who actually governs anywhere from center-left to center-right in this country. I'm not saying it's better to be a centrist. I'm saying that one's own ideological viewpoint dramatically influences how one views the ideological affiliation of others.

Put simply, there isn't a snowball's chance in hell that Obama is as extreme left as the right claims, or as extreme right as the left claims. The incompatibility of - in fact the diametric opposition between - these two sets allegations is dramatic evidence of how pervasive bias is in our political culture, and how little actual critical thinking there is.

- wolf

 

[Jaskalas]

Obama is an idealogue. He feels the government has a moral superiority to everyone else...even the poor. He will do whatever he can in his one term to concentrate power within the Federal government. Whether this affects the people who put him into office negatively... I am sure it does not cause him to lose any sleep at night.

Your descriptors all seem so familiar. Were you describing Bush and the Patriot Act?

 

[bamacre]

It isn't exactly surprising that people on the far right think he's a socialist, and people on the far left think he's a corporatist. To extremists, there are no in betweens. Such is the fate of any politician who actually governs anywhere from center-left to center-right in this country. I'm not saying it's better to be a centrist. I'm saying that one's own ideological viewpoint dramatically influences how one views the ideological affiliation of others.

Put simply, there isn't a snowball's chance in hell that Obama is as extreme left as the right claims, or as extreme right as the left claims. The incompatibility of - in fact the diametric opposition between - these two sets allegations is dramatic evidence of how pervasive bias is in our political culture, and how little actual critical thinking there is.

- wolf

Corporatism certainly would not be "extreme right." In fact "the middle" is exactly where corporatism falls. Not on the "extreme right," that's capitalism. And no one, no where, is calling Obama a capitalist.

 

[drebo]

Your descriptors all seem so familiar. Were you describing Bush and the Patriot Act?

Why is it always asserted that people who dislike and disapprove of Obama must have loved and approved of Bush?

There are a LOT of people out there who don't like and don't approve of either.

I sure as shit don't approve of the Patriot Act or most of what Bush did. But I certainly didn't see Obama or any other Democrat push to repeal it once they had the chance.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

And you believe that the other party would be any different?

A party that believed in the founding principles of this country would be different and better.

 

[PeshakJang]

Hey guys! Look at me! Pay attention to me! I'm calling you names! Why don't you pay attention to meeeeee! Whaaaaaaaaa!!!

Good call Sawyer

 

[woolfe9999]

Corporatism certainly would not be "extreme right." In fact "the middle" is exactly where corporatism falls. Not on the "extreme right," that's capitalism. And no one, no where, is calling Obama a capitalist.

Let's put it this way; the allegations of socialism coming from the right, and the allegations of corporatism coming from the left, are mutally contradictory and incompatible. When the same person is being described in contradictory terms, this should tell you something about the political culture that is producing the descriptions.

- wolf

 

[BoberFett]

A party that believed in the founding principles of this country would be different and better.

However that description does not fit the Republicans. Until there is a viable third party, we're fucked.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Let's put it this way; the allegations of socialism coming from the right, and the allegations of corporatism coming from the left, are mutally contradictory and incompatible. When the same person is being described in contradictory terms, this should tell you something about the political culture that is producing the descriptions.

- wolf

Only if one doesn't understand that they are very similar - especially when done to concentrate power in the gov't.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

However that description does not fit the Republicans. Until there is a viable third party, we're fucked.

True. There are a few standouts but overall as a party they do not fit. I did my part - I didn't vote for McCain or the moron destroying the country currently.

 

[Corn]

I'm sorry - This woman just looks evil - tell me I'm lying?

Anyway here's the news.
http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2010/07/15/fowler/index.html

Holy Cow, Obama is in cahoots with Ra!

 

[bamacre]

Let's put it this way; the allegations of socialism coming from the right, and the allegations of corporatism coming from the left, are mutally contradictory and incompatible. When the same person is being described in contradictory terms, this should tell you something about the political culture that is producing the descriptions.

- wolf

Who on the left is calling Obama a corporatist? I'm not on the left.

 

[dainthomas]

Only if one doesn't understand that they are very similar - especially when done to concentrate power in the gov't.

Welcome to every administration since forever.

 

[lothar]

True. There are a few standouts but overall as a party they do not fit. I did my part - I didn't vote for McCain or the moron destroying the country currently.

So who did you vote for then?
Bob Barr? Cynthia McKinney?
You don't seem like someone who would write "Ron Paul" on the ballot, so I'm not even going to ask you about that.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

So who did you vote for then?
Bob Barr? Cynthia McKinney?
You don't seem like someone who would write "Ron Paul" on the ballot, so I'm not even going to ask you about that.

Not a fan of RP - he's just a tad too far off his rocker(but has good intentions IMO). I fell for one once and decided against it this time. BB got the circle filled on my ballot.

 

[SammyJr]

Uhh... do you along with the other twits not understand that just because someone may dole out corporate welfare does not mean they aren't a socialist. Do you people really not understand that it's driving even more and more dependence on the Fed gov't? Who does everyone look too? Consolidation of powers? Boy you people are blind...

The private sector has been canning their American workforce in favor of Chinese slaves and this has been going on for 30 years. The lack of living wage employment options on the low end is driving dependence on Government. Too bad you're too blinded by the Free Trade religion to see clearly and instead do as your preachers instruct and blame Obama (but not Bushes or Our Lord and Savior, Ronald Reagan), Unions, socialism, and all that.

 

[SammyJr]

Who on the left is calling Obama a corporatist? I'm not on the left.

I'm on the left for most issues and Obama has been acting like a corporatist. He may not like it, but that's what he's doing.

 

[SammyJr]

Only if one doesn't understand that they are very similar - especially when done to concentrate power in the gov't.

Democratic Socialism: The people vote (directly or via representation) on how they want their tax dollars spent. The common people have much of the power in the nation.

Corporatism: The people pay taxes and the corporations vote on how to spend the people's tax money. The corporations are run by the richest and most powerful.

and for fun, Totalitarian "Socialism/Communism": Government effectively owns all industry and tells the people what to do. The Government is made up of the richest and most powerful.

If only you could focus your rage on the right target.

 

[xj0hnx]

However that description does not fit the Republicans. Until there is a viable third party, we're fucked.

That won't happen unless something destructive to the current clusterfuck we have happens. As divided as the people are, the politicians are best buddies, taking turns at the countries sloppy seconds.

 

[woolfe9999]

Who on the left is calling Obama a corporatist? I'm not on the left.

Hmm, let's see. Glenn Greenwald for one - the author of the article in the OP. The Huffington Post for another. Firedoglake. Various MSN pundits. Lots of people on the left are saying that Obama is in the pocket of corporate interests and that he is screwing over main street in favor of Wall Street and the wealthy. They're saying that financial reform is a bamboozle that will benefit Wall Street; that the healthcare bill was corporate welfare for the insurance industry and big pharma. By contrast, the right has consistently accused him of trying to rob from the rich and give to the poor, i.e. through "redistribution of wealth" (socialist style). Where have you been? If you can't see the contradiction between these two positions, you are being obtuse.

- wolf

 

[Zebo]

Holy Cow, Obama is in cahoots with Ra!

LOL Dead eyes. Least if I'm gonna get fucked with 25% rate increases this year and 400% soon I'd like a smile on their face when fucking me. Call it a psychological reach around.

(... our insurance rates went up from a little over 1000 to a little over $1300mo so far this year) I wish my wife would go full time instead of just being a lecturer...but there is no money right now and they have hiring freeze.