New Boss is the same as old Boss part 23,764

[Zebo]

Bamacre, welcome to the idiot list.

I hope you didn't forget honoring me. I'd like to be in good company.

 

[Zebo]

Not a big deal unless you're confused. If you aren't going to hire people with experience in the industries you're going to regulate (including healthcare) than who are you going to hire? People with experience in, uh uh, urban planning? Still haven't heard an answer to that question, would love to hear one. Greenwald and all these far lefties love to think they're above partisan politics, but really they're just more consistently blind ideologically than those that apologize for Obama. Notice how Greenwald can't actually trace what influence these persons had on the Senators because, as is his only choice given the limited amount of information we have, there's nothing there to show these advisors are pimping their industry above their job description. Yet this is what Greenwald believes, that these advisors must clearly be subverting their job descrioption because of, uh, loyalty to their previous employers I guess? Based on their.....experience in private industry I guess? Hell of a smoking gun there, lol.

I'd be genuinely concerned if they were using career gov't employees or something to make decisions about an industry they have no experience in. The fact that they're doing what they should be doing is good, and the fact that Greenwald doesn't like it is probably a good thing a majority of the time.

Fail. There is a shit load of experience that does not include fox minding the hen house. I've seen tons on Bill Moyers from former hospital execs, insurance execs, Doctors etc who genuinely care about serious reform not making a boondoggle. They are shut out under Obama regime. Like many economists who don't support free trade/Keynesian crap including noble prize winners are shut out in his economic team.

 

[First]

Obama and Dems don't employ insurance or hospital execs as advisors? Zebo, lay off the crazy pipe, lol.

 

[Craig234]

Obama and Dems don't employ insurance or hospital execs as advisors? Zebo, lay off the crazy pipe, lol.

His crazy pipe is welded on, but in this case I think you misunderstood him, he's saying industry execs *who have turned on the industry* are ignored by the administration.

There's one guy in particular, from Moyers' show, a former CIGNA VP, Wendell Potter, who has done great laying out the problems with the industry.

What you can ask Zebo, though, is was the exec in favor of the Obama bill, as Zebo implies that Obama is the enemy of such people?

Here's a hint from the Moyers show to the answer about the guy Zebo says has views totally excluded by the Obama administration:

Ultimately, according to Potter, the health insurance companies will continue to be profitable whether or not the reform passes — by requiring people to buy health insurance, the government is delivering insurers millions of new customers — but that's not a reason to vote against the bill, "It will bring a lot of people into coverage. And it will help people be able to afford coverage. 45,000 people die every year in this country because they don't have coverage. We can't go on another year and let 45,000 of our people die, just because of that."

 

[Budmantom]

No hope for change?

 

[Zebo]

No hope for change?

Hope you got change ($) after Obamacoproratecare kicks in.

 

[WhipperSnapper]

Some want to dismiss the socialism because he also does X, but to ignore his Marxist roots is dangerous - especially in light of what he has already done and wants to do.

What has he done that is particularly socialist or Marxist?

He's not much different than Bush and is almost like a G.W. Bush-2. The rich are still getting richer while the middle and lower classes are getting poorer.

He hasn't advocated a large tax increase for the upper classes so that the money they have stolen from the lower classes can be returned to them.

He hasn't put an end to the shipping of jobs overseas or to the importation of foreigners on H-1B and L-1 visas to displace jobs domestically nor has he ended cheap illegal alien labor--all of which benefits business owners.

He went along with bailing out the big banks and investment firms and didn't try to punish them or heavily tax them or heavily limit all CEO's pay.

He strikes me as being just another average Neo-Con Corporatist dressed up in liberal clothing.

 

[WhipperSnapper]

I have to wonder how things would be now if Hillary had won the nomination instead? I can't help but think things would have been better. Obama has polarized the country even more then it was.

I have wondered the same thing. Would Hillary have compromised on health care? Might she pay a little more attention to the problem of jobs going overseas? (I don't know.) Would she have been less corporatist?

 

[Zebo]

I think I stumbled upon the real reason Obama is a corp whore: From Paul Roberts

Obama has reneged on every promise he made, from ending wars, to closing Gitmo, to providing health care for Americans, to curtailing the domestic police state, to putting the interests of dispossessed Americans ahead of the interests of the rich banksters who robbed Americans of their homes and pensions.

But what can Obama do other then spout more rhetoric?

The Democrats were destroyed as an independent party by jobs offshoring and so-called free trade agreements such as NAFTA. The effect of "globalism" has been to destroy the industrial and manufacturing unions, thus leaving the Democrats without a power base and source of funding.

Obama and the Democrats cannot be an opposition party, because Democrats are as dependent as Republicans on corporate interest groups for campaign funding.

The Democrats have to support war and the police state if they want funding from the military/security complex. They have to make the health care bill into a subsidy for private insurance if they want funding from the insurance companies. They have to abandon the American people for the rich banksters if they want funding from the financial lobby.

http://www.vdare.com/roberts/100125_rich.htm