New Boss is the same as old Boss part 23,764

Zebo

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What is with Obama? Every move he makes is hostile to the poor and middle class. Every appointment and decision he makes runs contrary to the populist bullshit he espoused. It seems worse to me like Bush's read my lips since it's opposite of what he ran on. Of course the faithful will still worship him (fkn enablers, that's why you don't have a public option) and the right will still call him a "socailist" (crazy ignorant fkers) But serious folks will see corp whore through and through like Bush 2.0.

I'm sorry - This woman just looks evil - tell me I'm lying?
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Anyway here's the news.
http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2010/07/15/fowler/index.html
The revolving door spins faster on healthcare reform
By Glenn Greenwald

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The revolving door spins faster on healthcare reform
Liz Fowler

Beginning in 2001, Liz Fowler was the Chief Counsel for the Senate Finance Committee in charge of health and entitlement issues, i.e., legislation that primarily affected the healthcare industry. As her own biography boasts:

In this capacity, she was responsible for overseeing health policy issues within the Committee's jurisdiction, including Medicare, Medicaid, SCHIP, health tax issues and initiatives to provide health coverage for the uninsured. She played a key role in the 2003 Medicare Prescription Drug, Improvement and Modernization Act (MMA).

Her work in that government health policy position was apparently quite pleasing to the healthcare industry because, in 2006, she was hired by the health insurance giant WellPoint to serve as its Vice President for Public Policy and External Affairs -- in other words, overseeing WellPoint's lobbying and other government-influencing activities. Then, in 2008, once it was likely that there would be a Democratic President and thus a new, massive healthcare bill enacted, Fowler left WellPoint and returned to the Senate, as top aide to Democratic Sen. Max Baucus, the Senate Finance Committee Chairman who would oversee the drafting of the healthcare bill (Baucus's previous top healthcare aide, Michelle Easton, a former PhRMA official, left to become a lobbyist for the healthcare industry). Now, as David Sirota noted last night, Fowler has a brand new job, as reported by The Billings Gazette:

Liz Fowler, a key staffer for U.S. Sen. Max Baucus who helped draft the federal health reform bill enacted in March, is joining the Obama administration to help implement the new law.

Fowler, chief health counsel for the Senate Finance Committee, which Baucus chairs, will become deputy director of the Office of Consumer Information and Oversight at the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services.

In other words, implementation of the massive healthcare bill just enacted by the Congress will be overseen by a former high-level executive of the nation's largest private health insurer. As Marcy Wheeler writes: "It’s a nice trick: send your VP to write a law mandating that the middle class buy shitty products like yours, then watch that VP move into the executive branch to 'oversee' the implementation of the law."
Indeed, Fowler played a crucial role in shaping the healthcare bill to ensure there was no public option and to compel every single American to purchase the products of the private healthcare industry (including those of her former employer). As Politico put it last year: "If you drew an organizational chart of major players in the Senate healthcare negotiations, Fowler would be the chief operating officer." It was Fowler who was literally writing the healthcare bills for Baucus which, at least at the time, progressives found so objectionable.

Fowler is the very embodiment of the sleazy Revolving Door and lobbyist-dominated politics which candidate Barack Obama endlessly vowed to subvert. Remember all this?

Just watch the first minute or so of this Bill Moyers monologue from late last year on the role Fowler and Baucus played (the whole 5-minute clip on the influence of corporate money in politics is very worth watching):

What makes this hiring particularly ironic is that Max Baucus was the Chief Health Care Villain for most progressive healthcare reform advocates throughout last year. Apparently, the Obama White House didn't agree, since they just hired his chief aide who coordinated everything he did. Perhaps Russ Feingold was right when he said that the public-option-less, drug-importation-free, captive-customer-to-private-insurers bill which Fowler helped to engineer "appears to be legislation that the president wanted in the first place."

Needless to say, the hardest-core and blindest Obama loyalists are hard at work defending this hiring and smearing those who criticize it. Watch here as they viciously attack David Sirota for highlighting this story by hilariously insisting that Fowler's work at WellPoint makes her "well-qualified" to implement the healthcare bill. One of them accused me last night of using "guilt by association" in noting this hiring: behold as what were once (during the Obama candidacy) noble and inspiring objections to "Revolving Door Politics" have now magically morphed (during the Obama presidency) into unfair and pernicious McCarthyite tactics (how dare you think someone should be disqualified from a high-level government position just because they recently worked as a high-level executive at the very industry they're about to regulate!). Still other reflexive Obama defenders (including one who writes at Crooks & Liars) are engaged in their standard, false smear tactics spat at anyone who writes critically about their leader's actions, while -- most notably -- one former PhRMA official, John Michael O'Brien, echoed these Obama defenders by attacking Sirota for writing about the story and insisting that the noble former WellPoint VP is an ideal choice to implement the healthcare law.

In fairness, though, what else are they going to say? This is an administration that almost employs more Goldman Sachs officials in financial and regulatory positions than Goldman Sachs itself does. One of the first acts of Interior Secretary Ken Salazar was to hire a BP executive to serve as a deputy administrator for land and minerals management. And now they've just hired to implement the new healthcare law someone who was just recently in charge of the lobbying and government activities of the nation's largest private insurer. With a record like that, it's not really possible for them to pretend any longer that they oppose the "Revolving Door Politics" which the Obama campaign so vehemently scorned.

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Brigandier

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What is with Obama? Every move he makes is hostile to the poor and middle class. Every appointment and decision he makes runs contrary to the populist bullshit he espoused. It seems worse to me like Bush's read my lips since it's opposite of what he ran on. Of course the faithful will still worship him (fkn enablers, that's why you don't have a public option) and the right will still call him a "socailist" (crazy ignorant fkers) But serious folks will see corp whore through and through like Bush.

I'm sorry - This woman just looks evil - tell me I'm lying?
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Anyway here's the news.
http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2010/07/15/fowler/index.html

The poor and middle class live on the knife's edge, any president will seem against them as no president can actually fix anything.
 

bamacre

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The Left just isn't interested in what Glenn Greenwald has to say. He was more popular with them when Bush was in office.

The ignorant on the Right, especially the tea party crowd, need to wake up and see that Obama isn't a socialist, but something even worse, a corporatist.
 

Zebo

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The Left just isn't interested in what Glenn Greenwald has to say. He was more popular with them when Bush was in office.

The ignorant on the Right, especially the tea party crowd, need to wake up and see that Obama isn't a socialist, but something even worse, a corporatist.

I especially like how they screamed bloody murder for years about Bush's anti-terrorism policies as evil, tyrannical, shredding of the Constitution etc etc only to hear silence when those same policies are embraced and even expanded by Obama such as assassination program.


corporatist Indeed.
 

rudder

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Obama is an idealogue. He feels the government has a moral superiority to everyone else...even the poor. He will do whatever he can in his one term to concentrate power within the Federal government. Whether this affects the people who put him into office negatively... I am sure it does not cause him to lose any sleep at night.
 

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Obama is an idealogue. He feels the government has a moral superiority to everyone else...even the poor. He will do whatever he can in his one term to concentrate power within the Federal government. Whether this affects the people who put him into office negatively... I am sure it does not cause him to lose any sleep at night.

this.

Some want to dismiss the socialism because he also does X, but to ignore his Marxist roots is dangerous - especially in light of what he has already done and wants to do.
 

SammyJr

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this.

Some want to dismiss the socialism because he also does X, but to ignore his Marxist roots is dangerous - especially in light of what he has already done and wants to do.

What has he done that is really different than Bush and Clinton and Reagan? He's championed war and corporate welfare. He hasn't raised taxes on your Lords **ahem** I mean the wealthy. He hasn't stopped the China cheap labor party. He signed a health care bill with corporate handouts worthy of Medicare Part D. What's changed?
 

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incoming craig wall of apologist text and finger pointing bu bu bad republicans in 3..2...
 

nobodyknows

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I have to wonder how things would be now if Hillary had won the nomination instead? I can't help but think things would have been better. Obama has polarized the country even more then it was.
 

Craig234

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The Left just isn't interested in what Glenn Greenwald has to say. He was more popular with them when Bush was in office.

Why do you just shamelessly lie about the left?

His audience is mostly liberals, he's published on the 'liberal' site salon.com; I've recommended him for years, under Obama and Bush. He has not left my sig.

But don't let that stop you from posting your invented, biased ideology. You just *have* to attack the left, right or wrong, truth or lie, for your 'third' ideology to be satisfied, eh?

The left and right thing is more 'right-wing ideology' versus the truth, so people split the difference and get half right-wing ideology and think that's the 'middle'.

It's that old phrase 'gaming the ref', say every good call was a bad one for the other side, and then when they actually make a bad one for you, it wasn't bad, it was just 'balance'.

The ignorant on the Right, especially the tea party crowd, need to wake up and see that Obama isn't a socialist, but something even worse, a corporatist.

You don't seem to understand that the right loves their new master the corporation. While there are some more Libertarian types like you who are not the same as them (and make different mistakes, including unwittingly helping the corporations instead of willingly), they're not 'trained' to fear corporations, only the word 'socialism'. They're like trained monkeys who right-wing leaders can get to fear whatever they put the word 'socialist' on, for whatever reason.

Want to oppose Obama for greedy reasons having nothing to do with socialism? Don't think of exposing that you are against the public interest - call him a socialist.
 

Craig234

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I have to wonder how things would be now if Hillary had won the nomination instead? I can't help but think things would have been better. Obama has polarized the country even more then it was.

I suspect things would be worse. Hillary was on the board of Wal-Mart during a lot of its bad activities - she's no populist leading the march against corporate corruption.

Now, if Dennis Kucinich had one, things would be better.

Single payer healthcare reform, moving towards a balanced budget with improved tax distribution, real Wall Street Reform, etc.
 

Slick5150

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this.

Some want to dismiss the socialism because he also does X, but to ignore his Marxist roots is dangerous - especially in light of what he has already done and wants to do.

I love how the OP's article paints him clearly as a corporatist slave who isn't the liberal jesus that some Dems were hoping for in 2008, and you retort with yep, he sure is a socialist.

Those two things no fit together so well.
 

Craig234

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Re: the threat topic, this sounds like it may well be another to the list of Obama selling out progressives, who don't have enough political power.

If the righties here who love to point fingers and say "see you progressive, Obama fell short! ha ha!" would say "and we support demanding he do the progressive policy instead", things would be a lot better. But they seem to care not a whit about doing the right thing, and just saying 'ha ha he's not the progressive you hoped for! ha ha!'
 

nobodyknows

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I suspect things would be worse.

Of course you do an from your POV they probably would be, but from the country's POV I think Hillary would have done better. Especially in health care whcih Obama totally fucked up.
 

bamacre

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Of course you do an from your POV they probably would be, but from the country's POV I think Hillary would have done better. Especially in health care whcih Obama totally fucked up.

You kidding? The mandate is what she campaigned on.
 

JD50

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Wow if this isn't the most ironic statement of the year, I don't know what is.

There's really no point in reading what Craig writes. Every post that I've ever seen of his could be summed up as "Left = good, Right = bad". It used to be entertaining, now it's just old.
 

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Not a big deal unless you're confused. If you aren't going to hire people with experience in the industries you're going to regulate (including healthcare) than who are you going to hire? People with experience in, uh uh, urban planning? Still haven't heard an answer to that question, would love to hear one. Greenwald and all these far lefties love to think they're above partisan politics, but really they're just more consistently blind ideologically than those that apologize for Obama. Notice how Greenwald can't actually trace what influence these persons had on the Senators because, as is his only choice given the limited amount of information we have, there's nothing there to show these advisors are pimping their industry above their job description. Yet this is what Greenwald believes, that these advisors must clearly be subverting their job descrioption because of, uh, loyalty to their previous employers I guess? Based on their.....experience in private industry I guess? Hell of a smoking gun there, lol.

I'd be genuinely concerned if they were using career gov't employees or something to make decisions about an industry they have no experience in. The fact that they're doing what they should be doing is good, and the fact that Greenwald doesn't like it is probably a good thing a majority of the time.
 

Craig234

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Bamacre, you have crossed the line to 'not worth reading' for the excessive idiocy.
 
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Craig234

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Thank you for the funny of the day :D Kucinich is a complete wacko.

'complete wacko', says more about the small size of your vocabulary and lack of any any substance to your zero-fact claim than Kucinich.
 
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MotF Bane

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The left and right thing is more 'right-wing ideology' versus the truth, so people split the difference and get half right-wing ideology and think that's the 'middle'.

That's bullshit and you know it. Hey Craig, your left-wing lords and masters called, today you are supposed to be announcing that the sky is red. Get cracking on that next wall of spam.