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[Gen Stonewall]

cquark, Which of these commandments do you think is unimportant?

If I were to pick one, it would be #4. The Sabbath was created for Israel; Jesus never taught the importance of keeping it; furthermore, there's some passage, I think, in one of Paul's letters that specifically indicates that the Sabbath is not a requirement for Christians.

All the other commandments still apply.

 

[Riprorin]

Originally posted by: Gen Stonewall

cquark, Which of these commandments do you think is unimportant?

If I were to pick one, it would be #4. The Sabbath was created for Israel; Jesus never taught the importance of keeping it; furthermore, there's some passage, I think, in one of Paul's letters that specifically indicates that the Sabbath is not a requirement for Christians.

All the other commandments still apply.

The Bible offers many compelling reasons for being committed and active in local fellowship.

Why you need a church family:

-A church family identifies you as a genuine believer
-A church family moves you out of self-centered isolation
-A church helps you develop spiritual muscle
-The Body of Christ needs you
-A church family will keep you from backsliding
-You will share in Christ's mission in the world

Taken from "The Purpose Driven Life - What on earth am I here for?" by Rick Warren

 

[Gen Stonewall]

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: Gen Stonewall

cquark, Which of these commandments do you think is unimportant?

If I were to pick one, it would be #4. The Sabbath was created for Israel; Jesus never taught the importance of keeping it; furthermore, there's some passage, I think, in one of Paul's letters that specifically indicates that the Sabbath is not a requirement for Christians.

All the other commandments still apply.

The Bible offers many compelling reasons for being committed and active in local fellowship.

Why you need a church family:

-A church family identifies you as a genuine believer
-A church family moves you out of self-centered isolation
-A church helps you develop spiritual muscle
-The Body of Christ needs you
-A church family will keep you from backsliding
-You will share in Christ's mission in the world

Then from "The Purpose Driven Life - What on earth am I here for?" by Rick Warren

No, I'm not saying don't belong in some fellowship! :Q I'm saying that no day of the week need have an absence of work. And as far as I know, the Sabbath is still on Saturday. Meeting on Sunday is logical, but changing the Sabbath date (especially if the Sabbath as it was in Israel is not applicable to Christians) seems unnecessary.

 

[Riprorin]

I didn't think so, but I didn't want anyone to get the wrong idea.

 

[Tom]

"And behold, one came up to Him, saying, "Teacher, what good deed must I do, to have eternal life?" And He said to him, "Why do you ask Me about what is good? One there is who is good. If you would enter life, keep the Commandments." He said to Him, "Which?" And Jesus said, "You shall not kill, You shall not commit adultery, You shall not steal, You shall not bear false witness, Honor your father and mother, and, You shall love your neighbor as yourself." (Matthew 19:16-19 RSV)
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I'm not seeing the part were it says no gay marriage in there.

 

[Riprorin]

Originally posted by: Tom
"And behold, one came up to Him, saying, "Teacher, what good deed must I do, to have eternal life?" And He said to him, "Why do you ask Me about what is good? One there is who is good. If you would enter life, keep the Commandments." He said to Him, "Which?" And Jesus said, "You shall not kill, You shall not commit adultery, You shall not steal, You shall not bear false witness, Honor your father and mother, and, You shall love your neighbor as yourself." (Matthew 19:16-19 RSV)
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I'm not seeing the part were it says no gay marriage in there.

I think that there are plenty of threads on this topic already. I don't think that we need turn this thread into one.

 

[Tom]

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: Tom
"And behold, one came up to Him, saying, "Teacher, what good deed must I do, to have eternal life?" And He said to him, "Why do you ask Me about what is good? One there is who is good. If you would enter life, keep the Commandments." He said to Him, "Which?" And Jesus said, "You shall not kill, You shall not commit adultery, You shall not steal, You shall not bear false witness, Honor your father and mother, and, You shall love your neighbor as yourself." (Matthew 19:16-19 RSV)
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I'm not seeing the part were it says no gay marriage in there.

I think that there are plenty of threads on this topic already. I don't think that we need turn this thread into one.

Show me a thread where someone explains how the above quote says gay marriage was wrong according to Jesus.

 

[Riprorin]

Originally posted by: Tom

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: Tom
"And behold, one came up to Him, saying, "Teacher, what good deed must I do, to have eternal life?" And He said to him, "Why do you ask Me about what is good? One there is who is good. If you would enter life, keep the Commandments." He said to Him, "Which?" And Jesus said, "You shall not kill, You shall not commit adultery, You shall not steal, You shall not bear false witness, Honor your father and mother, and, You shall love your neighbor as yourself." (Matthew 19:16-19 RSV)
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I'm not seeing the part were it says no gay marriage in there.

I think that there are plenty of threads on this topic already. I don't think that we need turn this thread into one.

Show me a thread where someone explains how the above quote says gay marriage was wrong according to Jesus.

Take your question to one of the many gay marriage threads and someone maybe able to help you.

 

[Tom]

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: Tom

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: Tom
"And behold, one came up to Him, saying, "Teacher, what good deed must I do, to have eternal life?" And He said to him, "Why do you ask Me about what is good? One there is who is good. If you would enter life, keep the Commandments." He said to Him, "Which?" And Jesus said, "You shall not kill, You shall not commit adultery, You shall not steal, You shall not bear false witness, Honor your father and mother, and, You shall love your neighbor as yourself." (Matthew 19:16-19 RSV)
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I'm not seeing the part were it says no gay marriage in there.

I think that there are plenty of threads on this topic already. I don't think that we need turn this thread into one.

Show me a thread where someone explains how the above quote says gay marriage was wrong according to Jesus.

Take your question to one of the many gay marriage threads and someone maybe able to help you.

The passage you brought into THIS thread is the one I am asking about, not other passages or discussions about other people's opinions about what the Bible means. I want to know why Jesus didn't mention it in THIS passage ? Seems like this passage you quoted in THIS thread is pretty much all encompassing as far as what Jesus had to say about how people should live their lives.

 

[Riprorin]

There's a lot of things Jesus didn't say in these 4 verses. PM me and I'll refer you to Bible verses that relate to homosexuality.

 

[cquark]

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: cquark

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: shinerburke

Originally posted by: Riprorin
Shinerburke, would you consider yourself a good person?

I'm sure I know where this is going...but...

Yes...I consider myself a good person. I work hard, provide my wife with a good home/love/education, I give generously to charities, help serve food at a homeless shelter, rescue stray animals whenever I see them and make sure they get a good home, do anything I can for friends and family, don't break the law(except the speed limit frequently), and try to treat everyone I meet as I would like to be treated.

Are you familiar with the 10 Commandments and do you believe that they are God's moral law?

613 commandments.

And no, Jesus never singles out the decalogue, for the same reasons that rabbis past and present do not. It is the whole of the law that is important.

cquark, Which of these commandments do you think is unimportant?

I'm not saying to ignore any of them.

You're the one who's saying that people should ignore 603 of the commandments.

 

[cquark]

Originally posted by: Gen Stonewall
From riprorin's link:

Marcion spread his beliefs widely; they became known as Marcionism, a form of Gnostic Christianity.

The early apostles worked diligently to oppose that sort of heresy.

No, they didn't. Marcion lived a century after the apostles.

 

[Tom]

Originally posted by: Riprorin
There's a lot of things Jesus didn't say in these 4 verses. PM me and I'll refer you to Bible verses that relate to homosexuality.

I'm not interested in other verses. I want to know why he didn't mention it in this verse ? Have you read this verse ? Did the questioner ask Jesus to tell him SOME of the stuff a person should or shouldn't do ?

If Jesus' thought homosexuality was bad, why didn't he say so, right here ?

 

[Riprorin]

Originally posted by: cquark

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: cquark

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: shinerburke

Originally posted by: Riprorin
Shinerburke, would you consider yourself a good person?

I'm sure I know where this is going...but...

Yes...I consider myself a good person. I work hard, provide my wife with a good home/love/education, I give generously to charities, help serve food at a homeless shelter, rescue stray animals whenever I see them and make sure they get a good home, do anything I can for friends and family, don't break the law(except the speed limit frequently), and try to treat everyone I meet as I would like to be treated.

Are you familiar with the 10 Commandments and do you believe that they are God's moral law?

613 commandments.

And no, Jesus never singles out the decalogue, for the same reasons that rabbis past and present do not. It is the whole of the law that is important.

cquark, Which of these commandments do you think is unimportant?

I'm not saying to ignore any of them.

You're the one who's saying that people should ignore 603 of the commandments.

The Torah is mankind?s morality manual. The Ten Commandments are its master categories or "written law". The other 603 are sub-categories or "oral law".

I guess I'm missing your point?

 

[Riprorin]

Originally posted by: Tom

Originally posted by: Riprorin
There's a lot of things Jesus didn't say in these 4 verses. PM me and I'll refer you to Bible verses that relate to homosexuality.

I'm not interested in other verses. I want to know why he didn't mention it in this verse ? Have you read this verse ? Did the questioner ask Jesus to tell him SOME of the stuff a person should or shouldn't do ?

If Jesus' thought homosexuality was bad, why didn't he say so, right here ?

Tom, here are the verses in context:

The Rich Young Man

16Now a man came up to Jesus and asked, "Teacher, what good thing must I do to get eternal life?"
17"Why do you ask me about what is good?" Jesus replied. "There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, obey the commandments."
18"Which ones?" the man inquired.
19Jesus replied, " 'Do not murder, do not commit adultery, do not steal, do not give false testimony, honor your father and mother,'[4] and 'love your neighbor as yourself.'[5] "
20"All these I have kept," the young man said. "What do I still lack?"
21Jesus answered, "If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me."
22When the young man heard this, he went away sad, because he had great wealth.
23Then Jesus said to his disciples, "I tell you the truth, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. 24Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."
25When the disciples heard this, they were greatly astonished and asked, "Who then can be saved?"
26Jesus looked at them and said, "With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible."
27Peter answered him, "We have left everything to follow you! What then will there be for us?"
28Jesus said to them, "I tell you the truth, at the renewal of all things, when the Son of Man sits on his glorious throne, you who have followed me will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel. 29And everyone who has left houses or brothers or sisters or father or mother[6] or children or fields for my sake will receive a hundred times as much and will inherit eternal life. 30But many who are first will be last, and many who are last will be first.

I don't know why Jesus didn't discuss homosexual marriage with the rich young man. Hopefully you'll be with Him in heaven one day and you can ask Him.

Sorry, I can't help you with your question.

 

[Kryptonite]

Originally posted by: Uhtrinity
I just want to know when the GWB version will be out.

LMFAO!

 

[Gen Stonewall]

Going back to my discussion with Moonbeam, this recording talks about the nature of God. (I know it's the third recording I've posted from this site, but many of the recordings really are worthwhile to hear.) Index.

 

[EXman]

Originally posted by: slurmsmackenzie

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
If self defense is OK then why didn't the Disciples defend Jesus from crucifixion?

because jesus was accused of crimes against his people. they demanded his head. even traded barnabas the rapist's place for him. he had no choice but to become a martyr.

Moonbeam was just being retarded. And he can't help but troll for Christians.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: EXman

Originally posted by: slurmsmackenzie

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
If self defense is OK then why didn't the Disciples defend Jesus from crucifixion?

because jesus was accused of crimes against his people. they demanded his head. even traded barnabas the rapist's place for him. he had no choice but to become a martyr.

Moonbeam was just being retarded. And he can't help but troll for Christians.

Yes but when I start trolling for morons I'll let you know.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: Gen Stonewall
Going back to my discussion with Moonbeam, this recording talks about the nature of God. (I know it's the third recording I've posted from this site, but many of the recordings really are worthwhile to hear.) Index.

It would be nice if you could put your own thoughts into words. I really don't care to listen to anybody not present. I can't talk back to a recording and anyway I know more than they do or if not more than certainly far far less. And I have nothing to sell.

 

[huxley0]

Originally posted by: LtPage1
who cares? how different could it possibly be?

When millions depend on a book to guide them through life it matters quite a bit...

 

[SirStev0]

Originally posted by: huxley0

Originally posted by: LtPage1
who cares? how different could it possibly be?

When millions depend on a book to guide them through life it matters quite a bit...

cant wait till certain quotes are shown to be out of context and meaningless...

i read an article last year about a better translation of the story of sodom ... turns out... the king james verison... which every homophob quotes ... makes it seem that sodom was destroyed because of homosexuality because king j makes all angels take a male form... the other, supposedly more accurate translation... points to the crime being rape... not sodomy...

 

[smashp]

Originally posted by: Gen Stonewall

cquark, Which of these commandments do you think is unimportant?

If I were to pick one, it would be #4. The Sabbath was created for Israel; Jesus never taught the importance of keeping it; furthermore, there's some passage, I think, in one of Paul's letters that specifically indicates that the Sabbath is not a requirement for Christians.

All the other commandments still apply.

I find it Ironic that In the Early days of the catholic church and at the time, it WAS the christian faith, the roman emperor constantine converted from Pagan religions over to christianity. He then Proceded to change the sabbath from saturday to Sunday. Sunday, a day in honor of the Sun, and the sun god by many polotheistic worshipers. so most christians celbrate the sabbeth on the wrong day, and on a day that Years ago was a day of honor for a "false god"

Its just a interesting historical bit of info.

But ill agree with Rip, the fellowship amongst others is and can be an important part of the christian religion, but a fellowship is a loose word. a "church" could be classified as a message board on the internet that members visit to discuss their religion openly with others to learn and celebrate.....


but as you go to your church on sunday, you are honoring the "Day of the sun"




Another Interesting note, Christ wasnt born on december 25th. Many feel he was born in the early spring.

For may years his birth was celebrated on jan 6th, but the romans changed that also.

It was changed to a day that clebrated to winter solice. Yet another Pagan ritual that men used to change christianity.





The point is, Men of power have always perverted, twisted , and interpreted religion to their liking, to suit their need. When these men had absolute power, who was to stop them.

 

[skace]

I don't know about you. But if I lived my life solely by a book translated from another language, I'd always back new translations that may possibly be more accurate.

Sadly, the fear of change and religion go hand in hand.

 

[piasabird]

Backed by the Vatican Means Nothing.

It was by the direction of the Catholic Church and the Jesuit Priests and scholars of the Catholic Chruch that kept the Dead Sea Scrolls and other works from being interpreted. The Vatican wanted people burned at the stake for translating the Bible to begin with.

The Bible is a collection of books and ancient letters and writings.

King James all but forced the translation to take place officially. Scholars from all over the world were involved in deciphering and translating Bible Texts. Not just one body.

If someone else is translating the Bible is it going to be a version which holds to an exactness of translating by a team of scholars or is it just another version written for our modern times which has translations which do not hold true to the original text in exactnes.