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Yup and it was for men 2000 years ago. Men under the divine inspiration of God say different things these days. All truth must always take into account the hidden cultural prejudice of the listener and that changes over time. One digs a new well when the old one runs dry. And never forget that men under the divine inspiration of God always have horns and hooves to protect them from fools.
shiner
Lifer
A bit off topic....but I'm gonna say it anyway.
To me basing your religious beliefs on a book is ridiculous...you might as well go buy an old copy of the Dungeons & Dragon's Deities and Demigods handbook and build a religion around it.
The Bible is just all a collection of morality stories, myths, fairy tales, and "historical" stories which may or may not be true. Honestly it's no different than the stories of the Greek Gods.
Religion is meant to be a spiritual experience, not like cramming for a literature test. Get your head out of the book and spend some time experiencing life, the universe and everything(42) and come to your own conclusions about who/what God is.
I believe it was Jefferson who said "Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, than that of blind-folded fear."
In short....discover for yourself and don't be a sheep......
To me basing your religious beliefs on a book is ridiculous...you might as well go buy an old copy of the Dungeons & Dragon's Deities and Demigods handbook and build a religion around it.
The Bible is just all a collection of morality stories, myths, fairy tales, and "historical" stories which may or may not be true. Honestly it's no different than the stories of the Greek Gods.
Religion is meant to be a spiritual experience, not like cramming for a literature test. Get your head out of the book and spend some time experiencing life, the universe and everything(42) and come to your own conclusions about who/what God is.
I believe it was Jefferson who said "Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, than that of blind-folded fear."
In short....discover for yourself and don't be a sheep......
Well-said.
The Bible is meant to be a conveyor of the human condition, not a be-all, end-all resource for the absolute truth nor for scientific research.
Just like many people distort the Book of Revelation and interpret it literally. It was never meant to be taken as such. It was written merely to give hope to the early Christians who were being persecuted and thrown to lions as playthings.
I agree, ive always felt the nature of my religion was different than everyone elses, because i found it. Its my belief that I discovered. that gives me a much stonger belief. I hope everyone to make their own realizations, but in a way that is for them and not from others.
Rather in depth argueing about who's version is more correct. I feel the statement was right on target considering how the King James version came to be.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_James_Bible
It's an edit of an edit to reflect the current religious and political views.
Vic
Elite Member
I'm not a Bible-literalist. I accept that there are flaws in it, and believe that the spirit of the message is more important that the individual words themselves. I do not place my faith in a book, but in the perfect wisdom and benevolence of Almighty God.
Simply proof that if Christ walked the earth as a man again today, that He would be killed by the people once again.
The Bible is not something that people wrote today, but the oldest surviving cultural history of humankind on earth, and as such is of priceless value whether you think God exists or not.
slurmsmackenzie
Golden Member
while revelations is for the majority symbolism, john saw those things which he accounted. while yes, it's message offers hope, it also warns of destruction of this system to be replaced.... giving actual figures, as well as the turn of events that will unfold prior to, during, and following "the great tribulation". it elaborates further, explaining that while this stands to be a pivitol point in our existance, those surviving will return to perfection and new scrolls will be opened. there are explicit definitons of a government. revelations is very detailed in it's descriptions.
The Bible is about dying to the self. People who just think they can go out and find the truth will find nothing if their search doesn't lead to the realization that they can find nothing. The self looks not for truth but self affirmation. People always think in terms of adding something to what they know instead of realizing that all they know needs to disappear. You have to die to win and nobody will willingly die, no?
Truth is only for the desperate and the terribly, terribly committed.
Truth is only for the desperate and the terribly, terribly committed.
LtPage1 said, "who cares? how different could it possibly be?" Boy, he doesn't mind admitting that he doesn't know much. In addition to the items previously mentioned in the list, an accurate translation puts the hurt on the concept of Virgin birth.
Here's a link mentioning that the Virgin birth was added as a Christian myth well after the death of Christ.
Virgin Birth Myth
These are just two sites. They are not ax grinding sites. Most serious Christian scholars think that the Bible was heavily edited as it has developed today.
Finally (aaah, would that it were final), here's a quote from Wikipedia on the Dead Sea scrolls. The executive summary is that these scrolls show "Christian" doctrines in use well before the time of Christ. Publication of the contents of the Dead Sea scrolls was held up for about 40 years. These have been the subject of many scholarly article from various well-respected universities, check it out.
Here's a link mentioning that the Virgin birth was added as a Christian myth well after the death of Christ.
Virgin Birth Myth
"Virgin" mistranslated
These are just two sites. They are not ax grinding sites. Most serious Christian scholars think that the Bible was heavily edited as it has developed today.
Finally (aaah, would that it were final), here's a quote from Wikipedia on the Dead Sea scrolls. The executive summary is that these scrolls show "Christian" doctrines in use well before the time of Christ. Publication of the contents of the Dead Sea scrolls was held up for about 40 years. These have been the subject of many scholarly article from various well-respected universities, check it out.
Dead Sea Scrolls
The original writings were also a way to interpret what they saw/believed.
Unless the original manuscripts of the new testiment were written as they happened, they are based on stories handed down and embelished according to the teller.
Human nature will adjust the facts to fit a theory/premise
Much of the old testiment should be looked at the same way.
Scary that I agree with Conjur on the above quote 😱
/edit grammar
No, the two Timothies and Titus are widely regarded are unauthentic for a variety of reasons:
1. Evidence indicates they appeared after Paul's death.
2. They are absent from all of the earliest manuscript collections of Paul's letters.
3. References are made to Paul's other letters starting in the 1st century, but no reference any of these three can be found until the end of the 2nd century.
4. Paul's authentic letters are extremely vague about church hierarchy, as would be expected since we think Paul died in Rome around 67, while these three talk about qualifications and even salaries for church officials.
5. Although all 3 epistles appear to be written by the same person, their language and diction differs considerably from that of the authentic letters of Paul.
6. Their author says that Timothy's faith "dwelt first in your grandmother Lois and in your mother Eunice," and while there would've been three generations of Christians in the 2nd century, there wouldn't have been before Paul's death.
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