New BHO attack Ad

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: Fern

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: lupi
Anyone else seen this new ad from the one; "when asked how many houses Mccain had he said he didn't know, well he has 7 houses".

I'd rather someone who routinely lives in several different places during the year to forget how many houses he has (particularly if you're married to a moneybags) than someone that forgets how many states there are. Really, we're trying to go this petty now.

Hey genius, the point of the ad isn't a memory test for McCain, it was exactly what you inadvertantly posted. McCain is trying to paint Obama as not being like Mr. and Mrs. Average American. If you have so many houses that you can't even remember that probably means you aren't exactly the average American either.
Anyways, Obama has been under steady attack by some pretty dishonest ads. I'm glad he's hitting back.

1. It's funny you keep saying it isn't about memory, then use the word "remember" in your description of the ad.

2. Can anybody confirm that these are McCain's houses?. If they are in one of Cindy's family trusts they are NOT owned by John McCain in any sense of the word. Nor should he have any more knowledge of them than we do. Likely she wouldn't really know either, an estate of that size has professional managers.

Fern

1.) I don't see how? People were acting as if the ad was trying to paint McCain's poor memory as the problem. It is not.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: Fern

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: quest55720

Originally posted by: Robor
You mean the same McCain who was against offshore drilling until gas prices rose and it became politically advantageous to be for it? Lifting the ban isn't going to drop prices anytime soon. The whole drilling issue is pure political pandering.

Things change and 4 dollar a gallon gas changes the game. Even a rich person like McCain can see how destructive high gas prices are. It is not just felt at the pump but felt at the grocery store. I do love that you are willing to spout out the pelosi talking points to try and fight drilling. What next you going to say it will take 10 years to get any oil when a 3rd world country like brazil will get ultra deep water oil in less than 3 years.

Show me where I said I support Pelosi. Good luck on that.

Care to provide a link from a respected source saying we'd be getting oil in 3 years? Everything I read says 5-10 and up to 20 to get to full production.

You sure aren't looking hard.

A report from Wall Street research house Sanford C. Bernstein says that California actually could start producing new oil within one year if the moratoria were lifted. The California oil is under shallow water and already has been explored. Drilling platforms have been in place since before the moratorium

Link

From Lawrence Kudlow:

Traders took a look at a feisty and aggressive George Bush and started selling the market well before a single new drop of oil has been lifted. What does this tell us? Well, if Congress moves to seal the deal, oil prices will probably keep on falling. That?s the way traders work. They discount the future. Psychology and expectations can turn on a dime.

Link

Fern

This is a poor attempt at misdirection. The projections are not for when a drop of oil can be produced, but for when they will have an impact on prices. If you are going to show how it will have an impact in a year, please provide that link from a nonpartisan source. Bush's federal government seems to disagree with your assessment.

In addition, the link between Bush saying "we gots'ta drill, yeehaw!" and a decrease in oil prices is 100% speculation on that guy's part. I'm not impressed.

 

[Darwin333]

Originally posted by: RightIsWrong

Originally posted by: quest55720

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: quest55720
Kind of funny McCain who has 7 houses understands the average joe more than Obama. This swing in the polls is all about Obama and his party refusing to drill for more oil and pissing off the working class. If Obama really was in touch with the average joe he would be leading the fight to get the off shore bans lifted to try and get the price of gas down. Instead Obama and his elitist tree hugger friends are blocking any new drilling in hopes of getting gas prices to 10 dollars a gallon. That way he can "wean" the evil working class off of oil at the price of bankrupting them.

You mean the same McCain who was against offshore drilling until gas prices rose and it became politically advantageous to be for it? Lifting the ban isn't going to drop prices anytime soon. The whole drilling issue is pure political pandering.

Things change and 4 dollar a gallon gas changes the game. Even a rich person like McCain can see how destructive high gas prices are. It is not just felt at the pump but felt at the grocery store. I do love that you are willing to spout out the pelosi talking points to try and fight drilling. What next you going to say it will take 10 years to get any oil when a 3rd world country like brazil will get ultra deep water oil in less than 3 years.

Did you ever read about any of the studies that show that any drilling would not help with the current gas price inflation or the price of oil for ~7 years?

I love that you are buying into the "quick fix" talking points being presented by the lobbyists of Exxon, Shell, BP, etc without actually realizing that you are being played like a fiddle. Or maybe your Brazil information is from a valid, irrefutable source like Jerome Corsi and World Net Daily or a plethora of oil and gas insider sources?

Obama is correct not to support something that will not help at all right now and will do more damage to the earth when/if it becomes a necessity. Ohh, bad Obama not helping to perpetuate the destruction of the planet...bad, bad Obama. :roll:

You do realize that ALL of the serious oil spills have been from oil tankers??? The vast majority of domestic oil is transported via pipelines.

More domestic production = less tankers = better environment

 

[BMW540I6speed]

Originally posted by: Fern

Originally posted by: jonks

Originally posted by: Fern
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Since the point of the ad is that McCain is not a working class everyman, would it be better or worse for him that the houses aren't really his but are actually owned in trust by his multi-millionaire beer empire owning wife?

(Shrug) It's not his money. It's not even his wife's if it's in an irrevocable trust - which I'm pretty sure it is for tax purposes.

Even if it were his wife's, he signed a prenup.

I don't see how someone else's money has anything to do with McCain?

Fern

The point isn't that McCain is rich. The point is that he's a hypocrite for calling Obama an "out of touch elitist.". The key words being "out of touch".

It is not the fact that McCain has a lot of homes that makes him "out of touch". Its the fact that he isn't even aware of how many homes he owns. How can a person who is so out of touch with their own finances be expeceted to manage the country finances? or relate to average Americans who are struggling to manage their finances. This is a man who believes that making $4.9 million a year in income doesn't qualify you as rich.

The question the Obama campaign is asking, who can better relate to the needs of the people; a man who doesn't pay his own bills and is unaware of how many homes he has or a person who has one home, pays his own bills and didn't marry into millions of dollars.

Its not just about the homes. It's part of a building narrative against McCain of being "out of touch" with everyday Americans. I mean, this is a guy who probably has not spent a single day in his life below the upper middle class at best.

It's about the hypocrisy in that comparing him to Spears/Hilton. When in truth, McCain is right there with them. Private jets, $500" shoes. Who is more out of touch with the mainstream?. Those who live in glass houses...

 

[dawp]

Originally posted by: andy04

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: andy04
No matter whether we drill here or not our oil will be drilled somewhere in this earth, just not in US. You green loons are ok with everything as long as in does not happen in US. You guys are so shallow. Everything we use is made in china where energy production does not have any pollution control, but you want to shut down the US factories and thus loose the jobs too and the end result, MORE POLLUTION, Idiots
Do you think not drilling will speedup alternate energy development, NEVER. IF we drill here we can keep our money and fund more researches. US energy needs will grow and when it does it will be drilled out from somewhere on this planet not out of ur green alien a$$. Its better if we are less dependent on foreign oil

A friend of mine works for a company that produces medical kits. A vast majority of the components in those kits come from China. Right now they're having a big problem getting components. Why you ask? Because China has cut WAY back on production while the Olympics are in their country. Do I need to tell you why they did that or can you figure it out on your own?

Originally posted by: andy04
I really loose it when Obama camp talks about switching. Obama was all for public finance then switched and McCain started playing dirty after he realised how Obama beat Hilary - by playing the race card and palying victim.. I am black, I am minority, I have funny name... boohoohoo all whites are going to bitch slap me... boohoohoo

You're so full of crap it's coming out your ears.

His posts are meaningless garbage as far a giving evidence for anything but he got you to respond in kind. He has crap coming out of his ears because he doesn't say anything. He's an opinion bot. He thinks that because what he thinks is true that makes it a fact. He is a typical blind bigot.

your hollow attachs prove that my point is right and you speechless... any BTW when you speak crap comes out of ur mouth coz ur a$$ is pluged with Hussein's d1ck

you just proved his point, good job!! :thumbsup:

 

[fallout man]

Originally posted by: BMW540I6speed

The point isn't that McCain is rich. The point is that he's a hypocrite for calling Obama an "out of touch elitist.". The key words being "out of touch".

It is not the fact that McCain has a lot of homes that makes him "out of touch". Its the fact that he isn't even aware of how many homes he owns. How can a person who is so out of touch with their own finances be expeceted to manage the country finances? or relate to average Americans who are struggling to manage their finances. This is a man who believes that making $4.9 million a year in income doesn't qualify you as rich.

The question the Obama campaign is asking, who can better relate to the needs of the people; a man who doesn't pay his own bills and is unaware of how many homes he has or a person who has one home, pays his own bills and didn't marry into millions of dollars.

Its not just about the homes. It's part of a building narrative against McCain of being "out of touch" with everyday Americans. I mean, this is a guy who probably has not spent a single day in his life below the upper middle class at best.

It's about the hypocrisy in that comparing him to Spears/Hilton. When in truth, McCain is right there with them. Private jets, $500" shoes. Who is more out of touch with the mainstream?. Those who live in glass houses...

Another succinct post by BMW540I6speed. :thumbsup:

If I learned anything from this, it's that McCain apparently wrote-off his balls when he signed a pre-nup. If Cindy owns and manages their finances, is he going to put her in a cabinet-level seat to help him manage the US economy? The old fool probably never balanced a check-book in his life.

Also, they bought their daughter a $700k condo as a graduation present? Holy shit.

 

[ProfJohn]

I would call this the event of the day. In a few days this will be forgotten as we focus on the VP choice and the convention.

Obama's 'bitter' comment has far more staying power than McCain not being sure how many houses his wife owns.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
I would call this the event of the day. In a few days this will be forgotten as we focus on the VP choice and the convention.

Obama's 'bitter' comment has far more staying power than McCain not being sure how many houses his wife owns.

Maybe, but it's worth remembering that extremely partisan folks like yourself (and most of the people posting here, for that matter) are pretty bad at judging the reaction of the general public, you see exactly what you want to see in political debate and not much else. The attacks on Obama so far have been carried out with far greater volume (if there is one thing Republicans are good at, it's being loud), but I'm not convinced they're sticking in the minds of the general public any better than admittedly silly attacks like this aimed at McCain. Sure, folks like you might remember an Obama comment better than this anti-McCain ad, but then again, you are hardly the people the Republicans need to win over.

 

[Rainsford]

By the way, I find it extremely funny that the OP is trying to spin this like Obama starting the dirty/stupid politics. Anybody remember the Paris Hilton ads aimed at Obama?

 

[fallout man]

Originally posted by: Rainsford
By the way, I find it extremely funny that the OP is trying to spin this like Obama starting the dirty/stupid politics. Anybody remember the Paris Hilton ads aimed at Obama?

That Paris ad was totally in bounds. Sidney was just trying to highlight how awesome and hot rich white women are.

 

[ProfJohn]

Let's be honest here folks, both sides throw dirty around like little kids in a sand box.

McCain with his attack ads.
Obama with his preemptive race card stuff.

And then look at their supporters and their antics.

 

[nageov3t]

what constitutes a house anyways?

is a condo/apartment a house? what about something 100% owned for investment purposes? should wise investments be a black mark against a family? what IS the meaning of is?

 

[bdude]

Cindy McCain

"When I bought the first one, my husband, who is not a beach person, said, 'Oh this is such a waste of money; the kids will never go,'" she said in Vogue. "Then it got to the point where they used it so much I couldn't get in the place. So I bought another one."

Yah...sounds like a sound and well thought out investment. :roll:

 

[nageov3t]

Originally posted by: bdude
Cindy McCain

"When I bought the first one, my husband, who is not a beach person, said, 'Oh this is such a waste of money; the kids will never go,'" she said in Vogue. "Then it got to the point where they used it so much I couldn't get in the place. So I bought another one."

Yah...sounds like a sound and well thought out investment. :roll:

you're the reason are politicians can't go off the script.

 

[umbrella39]

Originally posted by: andy04

Originally posted by: CycloWizard

Originally posted by: eskimospy
Hey genius, the point of the ad isn't a memory test for McCain, it was exactly what you inadvertantly posted. McCain is trying to paint Obama as not being like Mr. and Mrs. Average American. If you have so many houses that you can't even remember that probably means you aren't exactly the average American either.

Anyways, Obama has been under steady attack by some pretty dishonest ads. I'm glad he's hitting back.

That's a waste of money then. I don't think McCain has been pretending to be Average Joe, so I don't see how it will affect him.

psst.... his Kool-Aid drinkers dont know that

psst, after the past 8 years thanks to people like you, there is no Kool-Aid left.

 

[umbrella39]

So it looks like BO is pushing the old senile man angle now, big deal. McCains supporters counter with such compelling arguments as this:

"BTW atleast hes not married to a WITCH

Cant, that would involve lots of black people...

He cant coz then Obama will start whining drug + balck = racist

Obama beat Hilary - by playing the race card and palying victim.. I am black, I am minority, I have funny name... boohoohoo all whites are going to bitch slap me... boohoohoo

Some of Oblahblah's house are in African forests and in Afghanistan

any BTW when you speak crap comes out of ur mouth coz ur a$$ is pluged with Hussein's d1ck"

And people wonder why trailers should not be wired for internet.. :roll:

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: yllus
The Democrats really need to drop any pretense of being nice guys and go on the offensive as well.

What's happening now reminds me a lot of what I read about Bush vs. Clinton in '92. As soon as Clinton took his foot off the gas, Bush started to catch back up. However, it's all a matter of timing. No doubt Senator Obama will put that massive warchest to good use.

Right. I think Obama had to tread carefully with Clinton. But McCain promised to have a clean campaign and broke that promise. We'll see how hard Obama goes after McCain.

Yeah well Obama promised federal financing and weekly debates. This is politics, get over it.

 

[PokerGuy]

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Maybe, but it's worth remembering that extremely partisan folks like yourself (and most of the people posting here, for that matter) are pretty bad at judging the reaction of the general public, you see exactly what you want to see in political debate and not much else. The attacks on Obama so far have been carried out with far greater volume (if there is one thing Republicans are good at, it's being loud), but I'm not convinced they're sticking in the minds of the general public any better than admittedly silly attacks like this aimed at McCain. Sure, folks like you might remember an Obama comment better than this anti-McCain ad, but then again, you are hardly the people the Republicans need to win over.

That's pretty much my take on most political stories. The foaming at the mouth politics junkies take it all in and debate it all the time, but the average voter simply does not care. There are certain core issues that I think the average voter cares about, and then there is simply the "gut feel". That's what determines the vote, not all the details.

 

[LittleNemoNES]

IMO this is the pettiest attack yet!
I'm a lower middle class person and me and my family/friends say they expect rich people to have many homes. As investments, etc.

This attax = fail