New BHO attack Ad

[Vic]

Originally posted by: mshan
This is truly a stupid thread!

Obama throws his base some red meat and Republicans go rabid. :roll:

LOL, I know :laugh:

 

[BMW540I6speed]

Some have asked why it's a big deal how many houses McCain owns. And it wouldn't be, except that he's the one going around calling Obama an elitist. That should be the story. McCain - the son and grandson of admirals, graduate of an elite private high school, legacy admission and graduate of the Naval Academy, who dumped his first wife to marry an heiress worth millions and now owns more houses than he can remember, is calling the scholarship student raised by a single mom who worked his way through college and law school and married the daughter of a municipal employee, who only just recently paid off his student loans an elitist.

The ad, It's simple. To the point. And even the "low information" voter can understand it.

 

[andy04]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: andy04

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
"Obama beat Hillary because Democrats are stupid enough to nominate someone with little experience and no track record whose only message was "hope and change". I for one is happy to see McCain running a dirty campaign. A politician from Chicago who associates himself with Wright, Akers, Rezko, etc, would bring hope and change to America? PLEASE."

There is no logic here, only bigotry and meaningless assumptions. Do you like being a bot?

You BHO supporters are really brainwashed... just like him whenever you are hit with some real facts you start crying... and giving totally irrelevant comments

More drivel in the form of your opinion. You post without any content, more meaningless garbage and wasted finger motion. You are probably a teen who hasn't yet learned to the difference between what you ate for dinner and a logically expressed idea.

The post to which you could not find logic has "cold hard facts" do I need to say more ?

 

[mshan]

This is noise that won't even last the weekend.

It just allows his base to feel like he is fighting back and will probably become totally irrelevant once he announces his vp.

 

[andy04]

Originally posted by: BMW540I6speed
Some have asked why it's a big deal how many houses McCain owns. And it wouldn't be, except that he's the one going around calling Obama an elitist. That should be the story. McCain - the son and grandson of admirals, graduate of an elite private high school, legacy admission and graduate of the Naval Academy, who dumped his first wife to marry an heiress worth millions and now owns more houses than he can remember, is calling the scholarship student raised by a single mom who worked his way through college and law school and married the daughter of a municipal employee, who only just recently paid off his student loans an elitist.

The ad, It's simple. To the point. And even the "low information" voter can understand it.

Dude Elitist and Rich are two totally different things... a rich person can be in touch with blue collars and a non-rich person can be Elitist.

 

[lupi]

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: lupi

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: quest55720
Kind of funny McCain who has 7 houses understands the average joe more than Obama. This swing in the polls is all about Obama and his party refusing to drill for more oil and pissing off the working class. If Obama really was in touch with the average joe he would be leading the fight to get the off shore bans lifted to try and get the price of gas down. Instead Obama and his elitist tree hugger friends are blocking any new drilling in hopes of getting gas prices to 10 dollars a gallon. That way he can "wean" the evil working class off of oil at the price of bankrupting them.

You mean the same McCain who was against offshore drilling until gas prices rose and it became politically advantageous to be for it? Lifting the ban isn't going to drop prices anytime soon. The whole drilling issue is pure political pandering.

Yeah, there wasn't any $30 something drop after the executive ban was lifted and the repubs stumping hard for immediate drilling.

From Annual Energy Outlook 2007 with Projections to 2030 report: Link

The projections in the OCS access case indicate that access to the Pacific, Atlantic, and eastern Gulf regions would not have a significant impact on domestic crude oil and natural gas production or prices before 2030.

Anyway, our gas prices are still lower than many other countries... LINK

Lol what a dumb reply. Yes many countries have higher gas prices, becuase they tax the living hell out of it and use that income as a source to pay for all the social programs they have. Just ask norway whom I believe are taking on a nother hefty increase for that very reason.

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: Fern

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: lupi
Anyone else seen this new ad from the one; "when asked how many houses Mccain had he said he didn't know, well he has 7 houses".

I'd rather someone who routinely lives in several different places during the year to forget how many houses he has (particularly if you're married to a moneybags) than someone that forgets how many states there are. Really, we're trying to go this petty now.

Hey genius, the point of the ad isn't a memory test for McCain, it was exactly what you inadvertantly posted. McCain is trying to paint Obama as not being like Mr. and Mrs. Average American. If you have so many houses that you can't even remember that probably means you aren't exactly the average American either.
Anyways, Obama has been under steady attack by some pretty dishonest ads. I'm glad he's hitting back.

1. It's funny you keep saying it isn't about memory, then use the word "remember" in your description of the ad.

2. Can anybody confirm that these are McCain's houses?. If they are in one of Cindy's family trusts they are NOT owned by John McCain in any sense of the word. Nor should he have any more knowledge of them than we do. Likely she wouldn't really know either, an estate of that size has professional managers.

Since the point of the ad is that McCain is not a working class everyman, would it be better or worse for him that the houses aren't really his but are actually owned in trust by his multi-millionaire beer empire owning wife?

It's certainly about being out of touch with ordinary people. Here's the context of the speech on the economy with a 4 minute video:
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes...counts-mccains-houses/

?This puzzled me. I was confused as to what he meant. Then there was another interview, where somebody asked John McCain, ?How many houses do you have?? He said, ?I?m not sure I?ll have to check with my staff.? True quote! ?I?m not sure, I?ll have to check with my staff.? So they asked his staff and he said, ?at least four.? ?At least four.?

Now think about that. I guess if you think that being rich means you?ve got to make $5 million, and if you don?t know how many houses you have, then it?s not surprising that you might think the economy was fundamentally strong. But if you?re like me, and you got one house, or you were like the millions of people who are struggling right now to keep up with their mortgage so they don?t lose their home, you might have a different perspective.


By the way, the answer is, John McCain has seven homes. There?s just a fundamental gap of understanding between John McCain?s world and what people are going through every single day here in America.

Nothing to do with McCain's memory.

 

[Dari]

Originally posted by: Skoorb
This thread is awesome. I'm glad I could be a part of it.

Yeah, I'm enjoying it as well.

 

[andy04]

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: Skoorb
This thread is awesome. I'm glad I could be a part of it.

Yeah, I'm enjoying it as well.

Am I wining ?

 

[Thump553]

Originally posted by: andy04

Originally posted by: BMW540I6speed
Some have asked why it's a big deal how many houses McCain owns. And it wouldn't be, except that he's the one going around calling Obama an elitist. That should be the story. McCain - the son and grandson of admirals, graduate of an elite private high school, legacy admission and graduate of the Naval Academy, who dumped his first wife to marry an heiress worth millions and now owns more houses than he can remember, is calling the scholarship student raised by a single mom who worked his way through college and law school and married the daughter of a municipal employee, who only just recently paid off his student loans an elitist.

The ad, It's simple. To the point. And even the "low information" voter can understand it.

Dude Elitist and Rich are two totally different things... a rich person can be in touch with blue collars and a non-rich person can be Elitist.

I suppose you consider someone who just defined middle class as earning $5,000,000 or less annually as being in touch with any sense of reality? Face it, McCain has become a 100% Beltway product.

 

[lupi]

Originally posted by: Vic
The OP represents the dishonesty of the McCain supporters. And IMO of the McCain campaign in general. McCain promised to run a 'clean' campaign, but broke that promise some time ago with nasty attack ads against Obama. But when Obama fires back with mildly negative ads, the McCainbots freak out. The dishonesty is pathetic. But then again, it was the McCainbots who have been negative all along and who have forced McCain to go negative.
I'm with sully on this issue. Obama should go ugly with the dirt and mud. He's the cleaner candidate.

BTW, David Brooks wrote an excellent article the other day condemning McCain both for switching campaign tactics and for going from maverick to toeing the party line. A good read IMO from the moderate conservative perspective text

I'd list all the things Hussein has been dishonet on cough cough public finance cough, but I'm too busy right now. Why don't youy cough troop pullout cough just check the flip flops website to have them listed for you.

 

[Dari]

Originally posted by: andy04

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: Skoorb
This thread is awesome. I'm glad I could be a part of it.

Yeah, I'm enjoying it as well.

Am I wining ?

Of course not, but don't let that stop you

 

[yllus]

Originally posted by: alphatarget1
Obama beat Hillary because Democrats are stupid enough to nominate someone with little experience and no track record whose only message was "hope and change".

Change: the empty word

In 1960, John F. Kennedy promised change from the Eisenhower years with the slogan "Let's get America moving again," but he didn't use the word itself. In 1976, Jimmy Carter offered the slogan "A leader, for a change." Bland as these slogans were, by today's standards they would be too substantive. In the current environment, a candidate who promised to get the country "moving again" might invite attacks that he favored big government, while a candidate who promised leadership "for a change"( i.e., as opposed to the incumbent) might get tut-tutted by the media for stooping to negative campaigning. Even "Let's make America great again," Ronald Reagan's slogan in 1980, would likely prove insufficiently anodyne today because of its militaristic overtones.

All of these candidates campaigned for change, but none fetishized the word "change." That began to, um, change in 1988, the year Michael Dukakis announced in his race against Vice President George H.W. Bush that "I want to be a force for positive change." "We are the change," answered President Reagan at that year's GOP convention. The counter-slogan proved such a success that Reagan repeated it at the 1992 convention.

That time, though, it didn't work, because Bill Clinton had made himself Mr. Change. Clinton uttered the word 10 times in his nomination speech, which was as many times as he uttered the better-remembered word, "hope" (as in, "I still believe in a place called Hope"). "It's time to change America," Clinton said. "Our people are pleading for change," he elaborated. "We've got to change the way government does business," he continued. "How do I know we can come together and make change happen? Because I have seen it in my own state," he concluded.

It's worked for Kennedy, Carter, Reagan, and Bill Clinton as recently as 1992. It's interesting to watch and see Senator Obama's detractors try to turn it into an evil word, though they are correct in that he is himself just another politician.

 

[lupi]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: andy04

Originally posted by: Vic
The OP represents the dishonesty of the McCain supporters. And IMO of the McCain campaign in general. McCain promised to run a 'clean' campaign, but broke that promise some time ago with nasty attack ads against Obama. But when Obama fires back with mildly negative ads, the McCainbots freak out. The dishonesty is pathetic. But then again, it was the McCainbot who seem to have forced McCain to go negative.
I'm with sully on this issue. Obama should go ugly with the dirt and mud. He's the cleaner candidate.

BTW, David Brooks wrote an excellent article the other day condemning McCain for both for switching campaign tactics and for going from maverick to toeing the party line. A good read IMO from the moderate conservative perspective text

I really loose it when Obama camp talks about switching. Obama was all for public finance then switched and McCain started playing dirty after he realised how Obama beat Hilary - by playing the race card and palying victim.. I am black, I am minority, I have funny name... boohoohoo all whites are going to bitch slap me... boohoohoo

:roll:

Obama beat Hillary with a positive message and campaign, despite Hillary going negative in a party primary the like of which haven't been seen since Bush in 2000. Victim and race card were never played in the Hillary campaign.

Oh, you mean that great campaign where he couldn't win without the supers, couldn't win the big states, and was tanking across the board in issue polls when the other campaign finally got off their ass.

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: andy04
No matter whether we drill here or not our oil will be drilled somewhere in this earth, just not in US. You green loons are ok with everything as long as in does not happen in US. You guys are so shallow. Everything we use is made in china where energy production does not have any pollution control, but you want to shut down the US factories and thus loose the jobs too and the end result, MORE POLLUTION, Idiots
Do you think not drilling will speedup alternate energy development, NEVER. IF we drill here we can keep our money and fund more researches. US energy needs will grow and when it does it will be drilled out from somewhere on this planet not out of ur green alien a$$. Its better if we are less dependent on foreign oil

A friend of mine works for a company that produces medical kits. A vast majority of the components in those kits come from China. Right now they're having a big problem getting components. Why you ask? Because China has cut WAY back on production while the Olympics are in their country. Do I need to tell you why they did that or can you figure it out on your own?

Originally posted by: andy04
I really loose it when Obama camp talks about switching. Obama was all for public finance then switched and McCain started playing dirty after he realised how Obama beat Hilary - by playing the race card and palying victim.. I am black, I am minority, I have funny name... boohoohoo all whites are going to bitch slap me... boohoohoo

You're so full of crap it's coming out your ears.

 

[andy04]

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: andy04
No matter whether we drill here or not our oil will be drilled somewhere in this earth, just not in US. You green loons are ok with everything as long as in does not happen in US. You guys are so shallow. Everything we use is made in china where energy production does not have any pollution control, but you want to shut down the US factories and thus loose the jobs too and the end result, MORE POLLUTION, Idiots
Do you think not drilling will speedup alternate energy development, NEVER. IF we drill here we can keep our money and fund more researches. US energy needs will grow and when it does it will be drilled out from somewhere on this planet not out of ur green alien a$$. Its better if we are less dependent on foreign oil

A friend of mine works for a company that produces medical kits. A vast majority of the components in those kits come from China. Right now they're having a big problem getting components. Why you ask? Because China has cut WAY back on production while the Olympics are in their country. Do I need to tell you why they did that or can you figure it out on your own?

They are doing it so that the pollution level is low enough to conduct the games and no other reason. Once Olympics is over that will be back to the original level of pollution. Dont you think for one moment that they have cut their emissions coz they are environmentally conscious

 

[Fern]

Originally posted by: jonks

Originally posted by: Fern
-snip-

-snip-
Since the point of the ad is that McCain is not a working class everyman, would it be better or worse for him that the houses aren't really his but are actually owned in trust by his multi-millionaire beer empire owning wife?

(Shrug) It's not his money. It's not even his wife's if it's in an irrevocable trust - which I'm pretty sure it is for tax purposes.

Even if it were his wife's, he signed a prenup.

I don't see how someone else's money has anything to do with McCain?

Fern

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: lupi

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: lupi

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: quest55720
Kind of funny McCain who has 7 houses understands the average joe more than Obama. This swing in the polls is all about Obama and his party refusing to drill for more oil and pissing off the working class. If Obama really was in touch with the average joe he would be leading the fight to get the off shore bans lifted to try and get the price of gas down. Instead Obama and his elitist tree hugger friends are blocking any new drilling in hopes of getting gas prices to 10 dollars a gallon. That way he can "wean" the evil working class off of oil at the price of bankrupting them.

You mean the same McCain who was against offshore drilling until gas prices rose and it became politically advantageous to be for it? Lifting the ban isn't going to drop prices anytime soon. The whole drilling issue is pure political pandering.

Yeah, there wasn't any $30 something drop after the executive ban was lifted and the repubs stumping hard for immediate drilling.

From Annual Energy Outlook 2007 with Projections to 2030 report: Link

The projections in the OCS access case indicate that access to the Pacific, Atlantic, and eastern Gulf regions would not have a significant impact on domestic crude oil and natural gas production or prices before 2030.

Anyway, our gas prices are still lower than many other countries... LINK

Lol what a dumb reply. Yes many countries have higher gas prices, becuase they tax the living hell out of it and use that income as a source to pay for all the social programs they have. Just ask norway whom I believe are taking on a nother hefty increase for that very reason.

Ok let me rephrase that. Many countries have *MUCH* higher gas prices. WTH makes you think we in the US are going to go back to 'cheap' gas when prices are up all around the world?

Speaking of dumb reply, you completely skipped over the main point of my reply to you.

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: lupi
I'd list all the things Hussein has been dishonet on cough cough public finance cough, but I'm too busy right now. Why don't youy cough troop pullout cough just check the flip flops website to have them listed for you.

:roll: Back to the Hussein line, eh? I hope Hillary cries at the DNC just for you.

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: andy04

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: andy04
No matter whether we drill here or not our oil will be drilled somewhere in this earth, just not in US. You green loons are ok with everything as long as in does not happen in US. You guys are so shallow. Everything we use is made in china where energy production does not have any pollution control, but you want to shut down the US factories and thus loose the jobs too and the end result, MORE POLLUTION, Idiots
Do you think not drilling will speedup alternate energy development, NEVER. IF we drill here we can keep our money and fund more researches. US energy needs will grow and when it does it will be drilled out from somewhere on this planet not out of ur green alien a$$. Its better if we are less dependent on foreign oil

A friend of mine works for a company that produces medical kits. A vast majority of the components in those kits come from China. Right now they're having a big problem getting components. Why you ask? Because China has cut WAY back on production while the Olympics are in their country. Do I need to tell you why they did that or can you figure it out on your own?

They are doing it so that the pollution level is low enough to conduct the games and no other reason. Once Olympics is over that will be back to the original level of pollution. Dont you think for one moment that they have cut their emissions coz they are environmentally conscious

Of course, and by using their care-free methods they are able to make things cheaper than we can. I don't think anyone is in favor of shutting down US factories. It's a matter of them undercutting our prices. Anyway, all this has nothing to do with the OP so I'll just stop now.

 

[winnar111]

Yawn. Whatever.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: andy04
No matter whether we drill here or not our oil will be drilled somewhere in this earth, just not in US. You green loons are ok with everything as long as in does not happen in US. You guys are so shallow. Everything we use is made in china where energy production does not have any pollution control, but you want to shut down the US factories and thus loose the jobs too and the end result, MORE POLLUTION, Idiots
Do you think not drilling will speedup alternate energy development, NEVER. IF we drill here we can keep our money and fund more researches. US energy needs will grow and when it does it will be drilled out from somewhere on this planet not out of ur green alien a$$. Its better if we are less dependent on foreign oil

A friend of mine works for a company that produces medical kits. A vast majority of the components in those kits come from China. Right now they're having a big problem getting components. Why you ask? Because China has cut WAY back on production while the Olympics are in their country. Do I need to tell you why they did that or can you figure it out on your own?

Originally posted by: andy04
I really loose it when Obama camp talks about switching. Obama was all for public finance then switched and McCain started playing dirty after he realised how Obama beat Hilary - by playing the race card and palying victim.. I am black, I am minority, I have funny name... boohoohoo all whites are going to bitch slap me... boohoohoo

You're so full of crap it's coming out your ears.

His posts are meaningless garbage as far a giving evidence for anything but he got you to respond in kind. He has crap coming out of his ears because he doesn't say anything. He's an opinion bot. He thinks that because what he thinks is true that makes it a fact. He is a typical blind bigot.

 

[andy04]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: andy04
No matter whether we drill here or not our oil will be drilled somewhere in this earth, just not in US. You green loons are ok with everything as long as in does not happen in US. You guys are so shallow. Everything we use is made in china where energy production does not have any pollution control, but you want to shut down the US factories and thus loose the jobs too and the end result, MORE POLLUTION, Idiots
Do you think not drilling will speedup alternate energy development, NEVER. IF we drill here we can keep our money and fund more researches. US energy needs will grow and when it does it will be drilled out from somewhere on this planet not out of ur green alien a$$. Its better if we are less dependent on foreign oil

A friend of mine works for a company that produces medical kits. A vast majority of the components in those kits come from China. Right now they're having a big problem getting components. Why you ask? Because China has cut WAY back on production while the Olympics are in their country. Do I need to tell you why they did that or can you figure it out on your own?

Originally posted by: andy04
I really loose it when Obama camp talks about switching. Obama was all for public finance then switched and McCain started playing dirty after he realised how Obama beat Hilary - by playing the race card and palying victim.. I am black, I am minority, I have funny name... boohoohoo all whites are going to bitch slap me... boohoohoo

You're so full of crap it's coming out your ears.

His posts are meaningless garbage as far a giving evidence for anything but he got you to respond in kind. He has crap coming out of his ears because he doesn't say anything. He's an opinion bot. He thinks that because what he thinks is true that makes it a fact. He is a typical blind bigot.

your hollow attachs prove that my point is right and you speechless... any BTW when you speak crap comes out of ur mouth coz ur a$$ is pluged with Hussein's d1ck

 

[bdude]

Originally posted by: andy04

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: andy04
No matter whether we drill here or not our oil will be drilled somewhere in this earth, just not in US. You green loons are ok with everything as long as in does not happen in US. You guys are so shallow. Everything we use is made in china where energy production does not have any pollution control, but you want to shut down the US factories and thus loose the jobs too and the end result, MORE POLLUTION, Idiots
Do you think not drilling will speedup alternate energy development, NEVER. IF we drill here we can keep our money and fund more researches. US energy needs will grow and when it does it will be drilled out from somewhere on this planet not out of ur green alien a$$. Its better if we are less dependent on foreign oil

A friend of mine works for a company that produces medical kits. A vast majority of the components in those kits come from China. Right now they're having a big problem getting components. Why you ask? Because China has cut WAY back on production while the Olympics are in their country. Do I need to tell you why they did that or can you figure it out on your own?

Originally posted by: andy04
I really loose it when Obama camp talks about switching. Obama was all for public finance then switched and McCain started playing dirty after he realised how Obama beat Hilary - by playing the race card and palying victim.. I am black, I am minority, I have funny name... boohoohoo all whites are going to bitch slap me... boohoohoo

You're so full of crap it's coming out your ears.

His posts are meaningless garbage as far a giving evidence for anything but he got you to respond in kind. He has crap coming out of his ears because he doesn't say anything. He's an opinion bot. He thinks that because what he thinks is true that makes it a fact. He is a typical blind bigot.

your hollow attachs prove that my point is right and you speechless... any BTW when you speak crap comes out of ur mouth coz ur a$$ is pluged with Hussein's d1ck

HHAHAHAHAHAHAH

you are stupid. go back to kindergarten.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: CycloWizard

Originally posted by: eskimospy
Hey genius, the point of the ad isn't a memory test for McCain, it was exactly what you inadvertantly posted. McCain is trying to paint Obama as not being like Mr. and Mrs. Average American. If you have so many houses that you can't even remember that probably means you aren't exactly the average American either.

Anyways, Obama has been under steady attack by some pretty dishonest ads. I'm glad he's hitting back.

That's a waste of money then. I don't think McCain has been pretending to be Average Joe, so I don't see how it will affect him.

No it's not a waste of money. If you read up on Gerald Ford's campaign loss, when someone asked him what he learned and what he would have done differently do you know what his answer was? "Always shuck your tamales". He believed a significant contributor to his loss was that people thought he was so out of touch that he didn't even know how to eat a tamale. People (however stupidly) want their candidates to be people they can relate to. This is why politicians go around eating crappy ice cream at local stores, buying worthless things that they're never going to use, to make people think they are just like them. Someone with 7 houses, etc... etc. is not someone like them. Regardless if McCain is running on the "i'm just like you!" platform, he still needs that personal identification and that's what this ad attacks.

Oh and andy04, we already have enough trolls that contribute nothing to the threads they participate in. You really don't need to add to it. Your horrible posts are making me ashamed to be named Andy.