New Auto Surveys out from J.D. Power & Associates

[Cfour]

It's on CNBC right now, but can someone help me find a link? I'm looking for the whole new list.

All they said was that in the new initial quality:

#1 Lexus
#2 Cadillac

 

[BigSmooth]

http://www.jdpower.com/news/releases/pressrelease.asp?ID=2003028

Wow, Chevy ahead of Mercedes? Mercury ahead of Porsche and BMW?
And a very poor showing by Mazda - the Miata and B-Series pickup led their categories so their other models must have done pretty badly.
Some interesting rankings in there, although Lexus dominated as usual.

 

[Ryan]

http://www.jdpower.com/news/releases/pressrelease.asp?ID=2003028

 

[StageLeft]

This is initial quality though, not long term and there can be a difference.

Wow look at KIA!

 

[Ryan]

Originally posted by: Skoorb
This is initial quality though, not long term and there can be a difference. Wow look at KIA!

I agree. Initial quality doesn't realy mean much, long term is what realy matters.

 

[BigSmooth]

The study also reveals that vehicles built by German and Japanese manufacturers in their native markets record higher average initial quality overall than those built in their North American plants. Vehicles produced in Germany by BMW, Mercedes-Benz and Volkswagen, and those produced in Japan by Honda, Mitsubishi, Nissan and Toyota demonstrated overall higher initial quality than the vehicles built by their North American plants. There are exceptions, such as vehicles produced by Acura, Mazda and Subaru in North American plants, which show higher quality than other vehicles built at their assembly plants in Japan.

Honda Accords built in Japan have a nearly 25 PP100 advantage over those built in North American plants, while Civics built in North America have a nearly 15 PP100 advantage over their Japanese-built counterparts. Toyota Corollas built in both Japan and North America are almost identical in initial quality.

Predictable, but still, d'oh!

 

[StageLeft]

Hummer's have some PISSASS initial build quality.

 

[StageLeft]

Hummer's have some PISSASS initial build quality.

 

[BigSmooth]

Originally posted by: Skoorb
Hummer's have some PISSASS initial build quality.

So do Mini Coopers, apparently. Guess there was a little cost-cutting somewhere to keep it cheap.

 

[aphex]

really skoorb?

 

[aphex]

really skoorb?

 

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: bigsmooth

Originally posted by: Skoorb
Hummer's have some PISSASS initial build quality.

So do Mini Coopers, apparently. Guess there was a little cost-cutting somewhere to keep it cheap.

Damn and I'd thought I'd done enough cost cutting with its weak ass power plant :0

 

[RossMAN]

Originally posted by: rbloedow

Originally posted by: Skoorb
This is initial quality though, not long term and there can be a difference. Wow look at KIA!

I agree. Initial quality doesn't realy mean much, long term is what realy matters.

I also agree.

Great if the car's build quality is perfect after 6 months but the real test is 6-10 years down the road.

 

[BigSmooth]

Long-term reliability is definitely more important, but when you're buying a new car, it's nice to have it work perfectly off the lot and not have to bring it back to the dealership for warranty repairs, no matter how small, in the first few months you own the car.

Obviously, improvement/excellence in initial quality can mean the same thing for long-term reliability. Lexus owns this study every year and they certainly make reliable cars.

 

[Mr.IncrediblyBored]

Uh, look at the Jan 4, 2001 press release at the bottom of the page here

1/4/2001 Blah
nuttin honey

WTF?

 

[Mani]

Originally posted by: RossMAN

Originally posted by: rbloedow

Originally posted by: Skoorb
This is initial quality though, not long term and there can be a difference. Wow look at KIA!

I agree. Initial quality doesn't realy mean much, long term is what realy matters.

I also agree.

Great if the car's build quality is perfect after 6 months but the real test is 6-10 years down the road.

Initial quality isn't always a good indicator by itself but there's usually a correlation between it and long-term. I'd be willing to bet the rankings will be very similar for long-term reliability.

 

[GTaudiophile]

BMW has fewer defects per 100 vehicles than Honda? Wow, they're improving!

 

[Vette73]

The only problem with long term quality is the motor company has sometimes little to do with it.

Most problems I see on cars older than 3 years are mostly because of how someone has taken care of it.

They can control how it does in the first year or so but the majority of stuff that breaks or comes apart mostly id because of the owner.

 

[Shantanu]

What kind of car do you think is going to have more problems 10 years down the road? One that has fewer problems right now, or one that has more problems? Somehow, I don't think all the initial quality problems that the Hyundais and Volkswagens out there have magically fix themselves over the years.

Also, if you're just into leasing cars or holding them for 2-3 years then getting a new one, initial quality is much more important than long term reliability (but then again, the two are pretty closely related).

I'm pleased to see General Motors Corp. moving up in the rankings. They're dominating the North American plant and midsize car rankings.

 

[BigSmooth]

Originally posted by: KnightBreed
Uh, look at the Jan 4, 2001 press release at the bottom of the page here

1/4/2001 Blah
nuttin honey

WTF?

LOL

I think they redesigned their site recently, must have been a test post that never got deleted.

 

[Random Variable]

Who was #1 in last year's long-term quailty survey?

 

[Spac3d]

Is anyone surprised with Lexus? WAYYYYY ahead of the competition.

 

[NFS4]

Damn, not surprising to see Toyota/Lexus dominating. Toyota as a company (including Lexus) is tops and Lexus' problems per 100 vehicles is an AMAZING 76. GEEZ!! That's unheard of and way ahead of the competition. They also swept the top three plants as well (GS/LS, Prius, Camry/ES).

If that isn't enough, they scored #1 on 6 out of 16 in the individual vehicle categories.

Toyota ownz you bastards!

 

[Crab cake]

Tell me how these factors in Initial Quality Survey affect long term reliabilty: wind noise, cabin noise, tire noise, air conditioning/heating noise, seatbelt, paint scratches and best of all smell.

 

[Ryan]

bump