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New AMD Roadmap out

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AMD relesed their new roadmap today at the analysts meeting...
http://www.amd.com/us-en/Corporate/VirtualPressRoom/0,,51_104_608,00.html
Interesting points:

1. .09u will not be out till 2H 04
2. "Newcastle" to be released as followup to A64 (I don't know what this is...)
3. Duron is officially discontinued
4. No XP changes till 2H 04 ("Paris") when it gets SOI
5. Athlon64 .09u part called "Winchester", FX .09 called "San Diego"
6. Full mobile version (Ultra Low Power) of A64 due in 1H 04
 
One other thing to note (VERY interesting!)...
According to DJNewswires, AMD will announce a new 300mm Fab this next quarter, due for completion in 2005-6. This is probably for the K9.
 
OK...found out about Newcastle...

"AMD's flagship Athlon 64 will receive an update early in the first quarter of 2004, dubbed Newcastle. Outwardly, the chip will use the same 130nm production line and processes of the current Athlon 64. According to AMD officials, however, the die will be small, approximately 150 sq. mm."

Article
 
Leaves me with more questions than it answers.😕

1. Is San Diego 939 pin only, with 940 pin users to go with Venus?
2. If Newcastle is dual channel, which socket?
3. Are Paris and Palermo socket 462?
4. Why the hold up for 90nm?

Possible answers:
1 940 pin FX is probably dead since there is no need to produce two packages of the same die if socket 940 users can use Opteron 1XX's, but this leaves them stuck with registered ram.🙁
2 I suggest newcastle will share Socket 939 with the FX, so now the only difference between A64 and A64-FX is the amount of cache.
3 Most likely Paris and Palermo are 32-bit cut-downs of the A64, and could be both Socket 462 and 754. This would require less resources than continuing a seperate 32-bit line of processors. These could be the only Socket 754 processors after Newcastle goes to 939.
4 Either yields are good (and thus speeds are good) with 130nm SOI and dont need 90nm until then, or 90nm yields are expected to be bad and it will take time to stockpile enough good dies.

Please throw some more ideas in!
 
AMD must be intentionally trying to confuse us with all those codenames! I've never seen so many on a single roadmap before...
 
That would be awesome if they continued the Athlon XP line in it's current form, but used SOI to attain even higher clock speeds. I'd be more likely to buy one of those in 6 months than I would be to buy an Athlon-64 probably.
 
Originally posted by: Jeff7181
That would be awesome if they continued the Athlon XP line in it's current form, but used SOI to attain even higher clock speeds. I'd be more likely to buy one of those in 6 months than I would be to buy an Athlon-64 probably.
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But they won't continue Socket A. It's dead (as far as new products are concerned). They need to push 754 and 940/939 into the market to sell CPUs and actually turn a profit.
 
Originally posted by: MonkeyDriveExpress
Originally posted by: Jeff7181
That would be awesome if they continued the Athlon XP line in it's current form, but used SOI to attain even higher clock speeds. I'd be more likely to buy one of those in 6 months than I would be to buy an Athlon-64 probably.
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But they won't continue Socket A. It's dead (as far as new products are concerned). They need to push 754 and 940/939 into the market to sell CPUs and actually turn a profit.
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Actually, continuing to supply their current 15% of computer users with an upgrade option would be the wise thing to do. If you FORCE people to change whole setups, they just might change to intel. Selling upgrades to us current socket A users would be a great benefit to AMDs bottom line until people feel it necessary to go with PCI express and ddr 2.
 
But they won't continue Socket A. It's dead (as far as new products are concerned).
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I wouldn't be too sure...keep in mind that the XP is now relegated to Duron status (high volume, low cost), and they will be opening a new 300mm production facility in the 2005-6 time frame (probably for K9). Keeping Socket A would be a very cheap and easy way of extending the use/value of their current lines/packaging for XP (and would keep people like Jeff7181 from getting pissed off!, grin).
If they extend XP Socket A by going SOI, they can probably get a whole extra year of production at very little cap ex outlay...
 
Well... I live near Newcastle Upon Tyne in the UK and I support Newcastle United Football Club (soccer to anyone crazy) so I'll be buying one of those methinks.
 
If they do migrate a K7 chip over to socket 754, do you think the memory controller will be on-die or merely integrated? It they merely stick a memory controller and a K7 die on the same package, there's no reason why they can't use the newer cores for socket A as well.
 
From what i know the athlon XP will only go not a different socket when it hits with SOI. So from what I know the Paris will just be another update in core, not socket. However when they push over onto 90nm SOI they will change cores and packaging and socket. Personally I don't know how they are still calling it an Athlon at that point. I relate this chage to when they changed from slot Athlons over to socket. It really won't even remotly be the same chipe any more accept that it will be the continuation of their 32-Bit chips.
 
Originally posted by: Viditor
when they push over onto 90nm SOI they will change cores and packaging and socket.
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Where do you get this from?
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Honnest to god i don't remember but I will try to to find it again. I wish this were and intel thread cause i have all of my sources for that up right now(the advantages of being related to people who work at a company).
 
I will try to to find it again
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Thanks, I'd appreciate that. All of my sources are saying the opposite (but they aren't authoratative sources...).
My understanding is that Socket A will continue as is, and that the move to SOI and .09u for XP will allow AMD to extend the use of their existing lines while building their new ones.
To me, this makes sense, as their appears to be plenty of headroom left in XP for the value market (and changing packages would involve far too much investment for this segment...).
 
Originally posted by: Viditor
I will try to to find it again
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Thanks, I'd appreciate that. All of my sources are saying the opposite (but they aren't authoratative sources...).
My understanding is that Socket A will continue as is, and that the move to SOI and .09u for XP will allow AMD to extend the use of their existing lines while building their new ones.
To me, this makes sense, as their appears to be plenty of headroom left in XP for the value market (and changing packages would involve far too much investment for this segment...).
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I completely agree, and I think that keeping socket A's wold be the most prudent thing to do. I am gertainly not saying that my sources are any more authoratative than any of yours. If I remember correctly the site that spoke on the socket changes seemed about as authoratative as the Inquirer.
 
Ok the e-zine that I got that off of has printed a retraction on the socket change as their source was bad. Sorry about that. Guess I need to keep rechecking on stuff like that.
 
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