New Alienware computer system.

[Gamingphreek]

Originally posted by: BouZouki

Originally posted by: humey
To buy or build any Intel rig today is dumb esp at that price, go AMD64, and them ATI 850s are old tech, get 6800 range or 7800 range GPU

You can always build better than can be bought.

Sure, enjoy a slugish A64 thats no where near as smooth, especially in multitasking, a cpu thats pretty much only good for gaming.

If your gonna be mostly gaming, go for it.

Doesn't mean Intel sucks just because its not as good in gaming.

People use computers for other things you know.


There IS a reason to get an Intel, you should read more often.

You have no basis for your argument. You just said A64 sucks intel rules. Why dont you post a couple of benches or better yet suites that prove this.

Really post them, ill be happy to prove you wrong.

-Kevin

 

[imported_humey]

BouZouki = idiot, lol sluggish amd64

And i never said Intel suck just AMD are and always have been better, even before they won the 1gig race.

 

[Gamingphreek]

Originally posted by: humey
BouZouki = idiot, lol sluggish amd64

And i never said Intel suck just AMD are and always have been better, even before they won the 1gig race.

Umm no. Before the AXP's Intel simply slaughtered the Athlons. Around the time of the Athlon, K6-2, K6-3, AMD was merely competitive. It wasn't until the XP's came out that the Athlons became really competitive and started winning a little (until the Rev. C northwoods came out that is).

Back in the day AMD ran really hot, consumed a lot of power (Palomino Core). Bartons and Thouroughbreds represented AMD first real performance threat to Intel.

-Kevin

 

[fstime]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

Originally posted by: BouZouki

Originally posted by: humey
To buy or build any Intel rig today is dumb esp at that price, go AMD64, and them ATI 850s are old tech, get 6800 range or 7800 range GPU

You can always build better than can be bought.

Sure, enjoy a slugish A64 thats no where near as smooth, especially in multitasking, a cpu thats pretty much only good for gaming.

If your gonna be mostly gaming, go for it.

Doesn't mean Intel sucks just because its not as good in gaming.

People use computers for other things you know.


There IS a reason to get an Intel, you should read more often.

You have no basis for your argument. You just said A64 sucks intel rules. Why dont you post a couple of benches or better yet suites that prove this.

Really post them, ill be happy to prove you wrong.

-Kevin

Your actually wrong, I own both a 6 series presscot and A64, I did not say A64 sucks, show me where I said that.

I suggest you read this thread where you tried to proove me wrong.

http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...&STARTPAGE=4&FTVAR_FORUMVIEWTMP=Linear

It should help you udnerstand, then again, this is pretty much an AMD board, what should I expect.

Read my post, call it BS if you like, I cant help it if you only have an AMD system and never used Intel.

Looking at your computer in your sig, you dont even own AMD or Intel's latest CPU's so I dont know where your information comes from, mine comes from testing myself.

I like both my Athlon and Intel.

I use my Athlon for gaming and Intel for everything else, I love how fast Intel rips my DVDs

 

[fstime]

Originally posted by: humey
BouZouki = idiot, lol sluggish amd64

And i never said Intel suck just AMD are and always have been better, even before they won the 1gig race.

I'm an idiot?

Do you own an Intel 6 series?

Probably not.

Your just brainwashed you see.

This is a mainly AMD board and we pretty much hear all the good about amd and all the bad about intel like heat problems (which the 6 series does not have).

Until you can compare both systems, dont talk to me.

Until you have used both, dont tell me an Athlon doesn't feel slugish compared to an Intel.

Two words, Hyper Threading, you need to learn the strengths and weaknesses of both CPU's, not just one of the two.

 

[Valkerie]

Originally posted by: pulsedrive
Ok, all I have to say is don't waste your money on an Alienware. They are HIDEOUSLY over priced and I don't care what they say you do not get good support through them, I have been disappointed time and again when having to deal with them. I just built my own machine from the ground up for less than half what it would have cost to purchase it from Alienware/FNW/ABSPC, etc. All of these places are for people with more money than sense/time.

Ugh hum.... anyone that lazy to not build a system twice as fast for the same amount of money is insanely out of their mind. What, too lazy to learn how to build a computer? Please do not buy from Alienware, please I beg of you.

 

[Valkerie]

Originally posted by: Keeir
People pick AMD64 (and X2) for gaming because Dollar per dollar, Ghz for Ghz, Heat Usage (Electrical Usage) and Decibel for Decibel they provide better preformance than an Intel Processor. On top of that, AMD gives the best absolute performance as well. *Note, I am considering Framerate and load times to be the measurements of "gaming" performance



Alienware is okay if you what you ordered in the box. If you dont, or have hardware problems later on, expect the computer to be out of commision for more than 1 week.


If you want to go high end, you will always save 1/3 to 1/2 by buying the parts yourself. The best part is on most "retail" componets there is a warranty as well. Building a PC isn't that hard and considering you could save upwards of a 1000 dollars on your specs.....

In perspective, AMD and Intel have strengths and weaknesses. You have not highlighted anything good about Intel. Does this tell us something? I for one thing do not care which CPU I get, just as long as it suits my needs.
Another one for all, all to fall.

 

[Valkerie]

Originally posted by: humey
To buy or build any Intel rig today is dumb esp at that price, go AMD64, and them ATI 850s are old tech, get 6800 range or 7800 range GPU

You can always build better than can be bought.

Not unless it's a discounted deal which offers really good software as well. And software doesn't come cheap these days (unless it's open handed give aways, naughty children)

 

[Valkerie]

Originally posted by: KeepItRed

Originally posted by: hootpie
1) Build your own computer.
2) Use AMD
3) Use ATi
4) ???
5) Profit.

One last thing...A case... I wanna get something fancy that would fit...all motherboards should fit right? lol... < NEWB

I'm not sure if you're serious or kidding, but I think that if you're getting a motherboard that offers the term - ATX, it should fit with standard ATX cases, and mini-ATX's would fit with mini-ATX and standard ATX cases. Hopefully that sums it up.

 

[Valkerie]

Originally posted by: KeepItRed
Is buying individual parts online the only choice?

No, however, it is probably one of the best ways to truly know what is inside a computer system, by parts and description that is.

 

[fstime]

Valkerie, you do realize you just made 5 posts in a row

 

[Gamingphreek]

Bou Zouki you are the epitome of ignorance. I have argued this EXACT same argument 8945723987423705743095 times and do not wish to do it again. Check the other billion threads on AMD vs Intel, and you will get my stance. I am through with stupid little fanboys such as yourself.

-Kevin

 

[imported_humey]

I started on 1.2ddr thunderbird then 1.4 and yes it was hot like 70c and it took intel to make a 2.0gig to beat it.

Before this i was on time out after amigas.

 

[fstime]

Yeah, i'm the fanboy.

This is coming from the person who DOESNT even own the latest CPU's from AMD or Intel.

I have both Kevin.

I will not argue with someone that gets his information from other people's opinions who are probably AMD users and fanboys them selfs who don't own both Intel and AMD either.

I'm glad you dont want to argue, no need to since its all explained in the thread I linked.

Have fun, hopefully you will get to try a P4 and A64 someday and will understand.

 

[imported_humey]

My cousin owns a PC store i get axx to test all mobos cpus etc, i normally stick to trying out ati and nvidia gpus as its not much to swap out my gpu, i notice the intel rigs feel slower to me overal with there so called quad pumped fsb.

Intel has told public a load of lies for years, hense they are now in legal bother.

 

[fstime]

My dad owns Microsoft.

 

[Keeir]

Originally posted by: Valkerie

Originally posted by: Keeir
People pick AMD64 (and X2) for gaming because Dollar per dollar, Ghz for Ghz, Heat Usage (Electrical Usage) and Decibel for Decibel they provide better preformance than an Intel Processor. On top of that, AMD gives the best absolute performance as well. *Note, I am considering Framerate and load times to be the measurements of "gaming" performance

In perspective, AMD and Intel have strengths and weaknesses. You have not highlighted anything good about Intel. Does this tell us something? I for one thing do not care which CPU I get, just as long as it suits my needs.
Another one for all, all to fall.

<opinion>
Intel has strengths when it comes to gaming value?
</opinion>

If you happen to have read the OP, you would see its a 16 year old wanting to build a -gaming- rig

He wants gaming performace and for straight gaming performance Intel can not produce the same framerate outside of Pentium M at the same Electrical Input, Heat Output, Cost, Ghz, etc all.

Also note. I specifically mentioned how I was rating the performace. Framerate and Loadtimes.


I have quite of bit of experience with all current processors. I have at least 3 processors for each Intel generation since 2000. I have used Single, Dual, and Quad Xeon machines. And, yes, in ALOT of applications Intel makes sense. Just not a Gamer wanting to get the most framerate for the least cost.

 

[imported_humey]

BouZouki. now your being a n00b why not STFU or back up your claims.

 

[Gamingphreek]

Originally posted by: BouZouki
Yeah, i'm the fanboy.

This is coming from the person who DOESNT even own the latest CPU's from AMD or Intel.

I have both Kevin.

I will not argue with someone that gets his information from other people's opinions who are probably AMD users and fanboys them selfs who don't own both Intel and AMD either.

I'm glad you dont want to argue, no need to since its all explained in the thread I linked.

Have fun, hopefully you will get to try a P4 and A64 someday and will understand.

WHy would i want a Prescott based system. There is no reason to buy it. Their lead in encode/decode operations is now reduced to minimal on codecs highly optimized for intel.

I have owned Intel systems. My dad owns one right now too.

I dont need both products to tell what is better. You probably dont know the first thing about the architecture of a microprocessor. You bought both (or claim to) and then post random crap which has no basis ANYWHERE.

Also, i am not made of money. Im not going to build and configure multiple high end systems to prove a point to some little kid who snuck on the internet.

with there so called quad pumped fsb.

Ummm.... it really is quad pumped lol. 200x4 = 800.

That thread you linked:

A. The link brings me to a blank page with a quick response window
B. It is mindless fanboy crap being posted. The guy is claiming 30C temps on an OCed prescott processor. That wont happen even with water cooling. Now why dont you link to a reputable reviewer.

You know i said im through, but your posts are so effortlessly put down.

-Kevin

 

[Xyclone]

Definitely build your own. I knew nothing about computers, then a few kind folks at Anandtech helped me, and now my computer that cost my 1,200 to build a year ago owns any of my friends' comps.

 

[imported_humey]

Kevin BTW i know quad pumped is real but its trash, back when 100x 4 got them 400fsb instead of 200x2 with normal ddr amd specs.

Just more intel marketing.

 

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[fstime]

Originally posted by: humey
BouZouki. now your being a n00b why not STFU or back up your claims.

I dont need to backup my claims to people like you.

 

[fstime]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

Originally posted by: BouZouki
Yeah, i'm the fanboy.

This is coming from the person who DOESNT even own the latest CPU's from AMD or Intel.

I have both Kevin.

I will not argue with someone that gets his information from other people's opinions who are probably AMD users and fanboys them selfs who don't own both Intel and AMD either.

I'm glad you dont want to argue, no need to since its all explained in the thread I linked.

Have fun, hopefully you will get to try a P4 and A64 someday and will understand.

WHy would i want a Prescott based system. There is no reason to buy it. Their lead in encode/decode operations is now reduced to minimal on codecs highly optimized for intel.

I have owned Intel systems. My dad owns one right now too.

I dont need both products to tell what is better. You probably dont know the first thing about the architecture of a microprocessor. You bought both (or claim to) and then post random crap which has no basis ANYWHERE.

Also, i am not made of money. Im not going to build and configure multiple high end systems to prove a point to some little kid who snuck on the internet.

with there so called quad pumped fsb.

Ummm.... it really is quad pumped lol. 200x4 = 800.

That thread you linked:

A. The link brings me to a blank page with a quick response window
B. It is mindless fanboy crap being posted. The guy is claiming 30C temps on an OCed prescott processor. That wont happen even with water cooling. Now why dont you link to a reputable reviewer.

You know i said im through, but your posts are so effortlessly put down.

-Kevin

Keep telling yourself that Kevin.

I own both systems, I can compare both.

You do not own any version of the A64 or Prescott.

I'll admit, I was once like you, I also thought HT was BS and the A64 was no way sluggish.

Truth is, if your mostly a gamer and on a budget, the Athlon is great.

If you dont game as much and like to multitask, the P4 is great. Heat, DDR2, and motherboards are not an issue.

I believe DDR2's timmings have reduces by a lot to 3-2-2 and such.

Intels motherboard prices are dropping, their chipset is the best, its on par with the Nforce for sure.

Heat is no longer an issue with the 6 series.

May I add, if your using 1600x or 1900x, the CPU is less importent and brings the two CPU's closer in performance.

I do a bit of both, thats why I own both.

When you have both cpu's at your fingertips, then tell me i'm full of BS.

Until then, later.

 

[Gamingphreek]

You do not own any version of the A64 or Prescott.

Umm actually i do. A64 laptop. HP Compaq zv6000 A64 3200+.

When you have both at your fingertips, then tell me i'm full of BS.

I dont need to have both processors to tell you that something is BS.

I'll admit, I was once like you, I also thought HT was BS and the A64 was no way sluggish.

I never, in anyway, said that Hyperthreading was BS. However it is not a godsend as you might try to make it. It is merely a compensation for the P4's weakness (long instruction pipeline).

I believe DDR2's timmings have reduces by a lot to 3-2-2 and such.

I have seen no such timings for DDR2.

Heat is no longer an issue with the 6 series.

Yeah right!!! Those things suck power, like no tomorrow. A dual core A64 takes less power than a single core Prescott.


You may not feel you have to prove it to humey, but you wont win this argument with no support.

-Kevin