New 8700K build barely faster than 4790K build

[Oyeve]

So I got the upgrade bug and went 8700k on a new build with 16gb ddr4 and repurposed my 1080gtx and ssd hds. All is working great but I notice no obvious improvement over my previous 4790k build with 32gb ddr3. Are we at a point that not much has been improved in 4 generations of cpu?

 

[UsandThem]

From Haswell (your old CPU) to the 8th gen (which is like Sky Lake ++) is really not much of a performance jump unless you need the extra cores.

Even in the latest reviews for the 9th gen CPUs, there's just not that much of a jump (unless they use the extra cores).

 

[UsandThem]

Actually TechSpot did a comparison on this, but they used a 4770k in their testing, so your CPU would bench higher.

https://www.techspot.com/review/1526-intel-4th-gen-core-i7-vs-8th-gen/page5.html

For gamers:

To reiterate, we don't think upgrading from either the 4770K or 4790K to the 8700K is worthwhile and for the most part gamers wouldn't even notice the difference.

 

[VirtualLarry]

From Haswell (your old CPU) to the 8th gen (which is like Sky Lake ++) is really not much of a performance jump unless you need the extra cores.

Even in the latest reviews for the 9th gen CPUs, there's just not that much of a jump (unless they use the extra cores).

I just ordered a used/seller refurb Haswell i5-4570 (4670?), 4GB RAM, 500GB HDD, Windows 10 pre-installed, for $160 on ebay. I figured, price is low enough, throw in a GPU, maybe a new PSU (Got plenty of those recently in Nov.), and an SSD, and a fresh install, and call it a Gaming Rig. Other than maybe BF V, it should play most games pretty decently. (Planning on throwing in the RX 470/480 4GB Sapphire "mining card" GPU.)

Edit: Oh yeah, got a 4GB stick of DDR3 to throw in as well.

 

[whm1974]

From Haswell (your old CPU) to the 8th gen (which is like Sky Lake ++) is really not much of a performance jump unless you need the extra cores.

Even in the latest reviews for the 9th gen CPUs, there's just not that much of a jump (unless they use the extra cores).

Given this and with the OP specs of his Haswell system, he could have waited another five years before needing to build another system.

 

[UsandThem]

Given this and with the OP specs of his Haswell system, he could have waited another five years before needing to build another system.

That's why I'm still rocking a 6700k. The newest Intel CPUs are faster no doubt, but the difference just isn't enough to worry about upgrading.

I'll see what comes out next year with Zen2 and whatever Intel has, but I imagine I will likely stay with the 6700k build another 2-3 years before there is enough of a difference for me to upgrade.

 

[Oyeve]

Given this and with the OP specs of his Haswell system, he could have waited another five years before needing to build another system.

Yep, I definitely could have waited but the new system is definately nice. New case, psu. Threw my 1070 in the old system and have a pretty good backup pc for online gaming with my friends when they are over. Only issue so far is the new system won't reactivate windows 10.

 

[Campy]

I don't know what you had your 4790k clocked to, but the vast majority of 8700k can reach 5GHz with correct cooling, so you might be able to gain some performance there, preferably paired with some 3200MHz CL14 memory or better.

But yeah, very little has happened in IPC for a few years now on the Intel side of things. Most of your gains will come from clock speed boosts and extra cores(in the apps that can use them).

 

[Iron Woode]

I just ordered a used/seller refurb Haswell i5-4570 (4670?), 4GB RAM, 500GB HDD, Windows 10 pre-installed, for $160 on ebay. I figured, price is low enough, throw in a GPU, maybe a new PSU (Got plenty of those recently in Nov.), and an SSD, and a fresh install, and call it a Gaming Rig. Other than maybe BF V, it should play most games pretty decently. (Planning on throwing in the RX 470/480 4GB Sapphire "mining card" GPU.)

Edit: Oh yeah, got a 4GB stick of DDR3 to throw in as well.

That is basically my HTPC except I have 8GB DDR3, R9 280 and no SSD.

 

[13Gigatons]

Pretty pathetic of Intel. They got lazy during AMD's lost decade.

 

[TheELF]

But yeah, very little has happened in IPC for a few years now on the Intel side of things. Most of your gains will come from clock speed boosts and extra cores(in the apps that can use them).

Nothing can change in IPC if people keep measuring IPC with software that is decades old and was made for the IPC that was around back then.

 

[TheELF]

Pretty pathetic of Intel. They got lazy during AMD's lost decade.

Yeah and in the couple of years that AMD had it's comeback intel got even more lazy re-spinning their old tech and making millions. (or billions or whatever they make)

 

[Flayed]

Maybe there's not much more IPC to be had from Intel, and they will be providing performance improvements for specific software. They are talking about the next chip improving 7-Zip performance by a lot so maybe it's not so far fetched.

 

[Indus]

I went from Ivybridge to Ryzen and noticed improvement in Photoshop/ Lightroom exporting right away. In gaming not so much except I could have 6 instances of EVE Online open at once vs only 2 before.

So you gain with multi tasking more so than FPS despite what Intel tells you.

P.S. I got a much bigger fps jump from my GTX 660 to GTX 1070 but that was to be expected.

 

[Sonikku]

I just upgraded from a 3.3ghz 2500 to a 9600k and just running it at turbo (4.6ghz) my framerate in WoW went from an average of 35fps to 60 ish in the most intense content and cities. I'm very happy with the upgrade.

 

[KentState]

I can barely tell a difference between my three systems unless I'm gaming. Even my laptop is snappy enough that any difference is not discernible. They all have similar NVMe drives and ram so its' really down to the GPU.

 

[postmortemIA]

If you do regular dekstop stuff, no coding or content creation, or gaming... then you're bound by single core performance. And IPC numbers did slowly improve from generation to generation, but not that much to be noticeable there.

 

[LTC8K6]

So I got the upgrade bug and went 8700k on a new build with 16gb ddr4 and repurposed my 1080gtx and ssd hds. All is working great but I notice no obvious improvement over my previous 4790k build with 32gb ddr3. Are we at a point that not much has been improved in 4 generations of cpu?

In ordinary desktop and web stuff, there's little difference in any of the relatively modern CPUs, especially if you are using SSDs.
When the load gets heavy, the 8700K will pull away strongly from the 4790K.

 

[Oyeve]

If you do regular dekstop stuff, no coding or content creation, or gaming... then you're bound by single core performance. And IPC numbers did slowly improve from generation to generation, but not that much to be noticeable there.

I game heavily and have not seen much difference. Most likely the 1080 card is doing most of the work. I'll test encoding video soon.

 

[Flayed]

There was quite a big jump in performance between Ivy Bridge and Haswell I think. I remember coz I was pissed when haswell came out that I had bought Ivy Bridge.