New 2002 Honda Accord 2.3 DX for under $13,000.00

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ChrisOjeda

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Originally posted by: dethman
Originally posted by: OJEDAWC


Actually that is not a correct statement. I worked for an auto manufacturer for a number of years and there are many related journals that publish the total quantity of vehicles sold per quarter by model (accross each auto manufacturer). The American auto manufacturers outsell the Japaness big time. In fact, it was the norm for a single model of Ford to outsell all the sales of Honda models in that quarter. I am not sure what state county you are from but in a few states people might think that there are a ton of Honda's on U.S. roads...the fact is compared to other auto makers there are not.


american auto makers rule in trucks (f-series, silverado). when it comes to cars, japanese auto makers lead the pack (accord, camry, civic).

Fact: Your insurance rates will be higher for a Honda Accord then a comparable car from another auto maker
Fact: Your chance of getting your vehicle stolen will be dramatically higher

both false statements. insurance is hella cheap, ask anyone who drives an accord, or my gf, who's insurance is about $66/mo. and she's young and got tickets/points too.
and no, the chance of your vehicle getting stolen will not be dramatically higher,

Consumer Reports

top theft rates, per 1,000 cars, 2000

top theft rates, per 1,000 cars, 1999

top theft rates per 1000 cars, 1998

top theft rates per 1,000 cars, EVER


the accord doesn't even make it onto the map. don't let 'total' numbers fool you. notice japanese cars and american cars both make the list quite frequently.


Actually that is one way to decieve everyone and lie. You see, your stats check each year only for models made that year. Let's consider a hypothetical that is possible under this scenario:
2000 Nissan 300ZX has 3 stolen per 1000
2000 Honda Accord has 1 stolen per 1000
but all the Honda Accords stolen in that year totalled an average of 140 per 1000
and all the Nissan 300ZXs stolen in that year totalled an average of 10 per 1000.

Basically your stats are worthless. If you look at stats of cars stolen each year based on models it should not only consider cars made that year but cars made in previous years as well. I have three friends who have owned Honda accords, all of them were stolen. Not one of them had their car stolen the year it was purchased (when it was new). So if you want to buy a car based on stats that only tell you the probability that your car is stolen on the first year you have it, then those stats make sense. However, the fact of the matter is most people own their car for more than 1 year (beyond the year they purchased it). There your stats are worthless lies to decieve people. As you would say all four statements are false. Not only was your post inaccurate in declaring that I posted false statments but you post was wrong for a Hot Deals forum where people want to be informed. Anyone who has half a brain wants stats on cars stolen per year based on model and not based only on cars made that same calendar year which is worthless. Statistcally speaking, very few cars get stolen the very first year they are owned. Maybe you will do better when you get the other half!

Regarding insurance. It is a fact that insurance companies charge based upon the risk. That is why a turbo sports car costs more then a econobox. Though insurance rates can be made cheap by doing many things (good grades, good record, high deductibles, only collission, minimums, etc). So you can't say that because your g/f (who we all know is imaginary) has low rates therefore the insurance is cheap for everyone. There are variables. I made a factual statement. Insurance companies are businesses, and they made their decisions upon statistics. Every year when all the news stations, news papers, and other media run their stories on the most stolen vehicles they always include insurance companies that speak of how the rates for those cars will be higher then comparable cars from other automanufacturers. Should insurance on a Honda Accord be cheap? Naturally it should be when you consider that insurance on all entry level econoboxes are cheap. The catch is, the insurance for the Honda Accord costs more than for a comparable car. As George W. Bush would say, we don't like your FUZZY MATH! Also, until you learn to make logical sound decisions you probably won't have much success in management. You see, that requires the skill of making intelligent decisions (i.e. like charging more for high risk cars, high risk drivers, high risk regions).
 

RadioactiveMagpies

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Actually that is one way to decieve everyone and lie. You see, your stats check each year only for models made that year. Let's consider a hypothetical that is possible under this scenario:
2000 Nissan 300ZX has 3 stolen per 1000
2000 Honda Accord has 1 stolen per 1000
but all the Honda Accords stolen in that year totalled an average of 140 per 1000
and all the Nissan 300ZXs stolen in that year totalled an average of 10 per 1000.Basically your stats are worthless.


It seems your math is pretty worthless. The information on the links presented is very informative, unlike yours. Face it, what you thought was true was just a lie and the accord is not the most stolen(I doubt the insurace rate is even high, maybe alot below average). The stats are pretty hard to argue over. His last link shows the stats for all years and most stolen ever.

So you can't say that because your g/f (who we all know is imaginary) has low rates therefore the insurance is cheap for everyone

Just because your friends or you had has a Honda stolen its no need to insult him over your personal illogical hatred of the Accord.
Why you harbor these feelings is beyond me. Did you get run over by one when you were young crossign the street?
 

sixt7gt350

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Originally posted by: RadioactiveMagpies<br

It seems your math is pretty worthless. The information on the links presented is very informative, unlike yours. Face it, what you thought was true was just a lie and the accord is not the most stolen(I doubt the insurace rate is even high, maybe alot below average). The stats are pretty hard to argue over. His last link shows the stats for all years and most stolen ever.

? Reported numbers are based on the number of thefts for a specific model year, within the year.
? Theft rate is calculated based on the number of thefts per 1,000 vehicles produced for noted year.
? If data is not available for a particular model year, the row will not appear.

Not to throw gas on flames, but his post was right on. If you read the snipped footnotes, above, from the ALL YEARS page, they make the same statement. The results are based on the number of thefts within the year of the specific model year. In other words, look at the "all years" page and the "1999" page. Notice the Acura Integra has the same value? So there were 19.323 1999 Acura Integras stolen in 1999 per 1000 produced in 1999. What about over the life of the vehicle? What about the number of 1999 Acura Integras stolen in 2000 or 2001? The site doesn't have that data. The site is misleading and it hooked you.

Now, back to the debate. (Since it already drifted OT from the price.) A majority of stolen vehicles don't end up as somebody's personal transportation. They are "chopped." In other words, they are stripped down to their components and sold off to unscrupulous or unsuspecting repair shops. The number stolen has VERY LITTLE to do with the quality of the vehicle. (Excepting, of course, high-dollar vehicles that are taken far, far away.) Because of the lucrative market in stolen vehicle parts, the ever-intrusive federal government MANDATED that vehicle manufacturers incorporate anti-theft measures on the vehicles they make. There are little stickers all over your vehicle, in places you can't easily see. The law is a joke, since the choppers know exactly where the stickers are placed and remove them.

Edit: Changed "sold" to "produced" in Acura sentence.
 

summerbreeze

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Originally posted by: blindspot
summerbreeze, can you tell me which specific dealer you got it from? I like that price, and its probably a little bit lower now. I wanna get one real real soon.


I bought it at HUDSON HONDA, North Bergen (NJ)

Though, OPEN ROAD HONDA was giving me a better deal by $200, they could not provide me with one, inspite of their best efforts (VP were never overly manufactured)

If you really want a VP, you should check quickly.


 

TekDemon

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kimagurealex where did the college thing come from?

I'm in college and want a car, but uhh it's not like I'm getting something flashy lol...was thinking Civic, lower trim Accord, or Elantra. I don't think you can race an Elantra unless you do an engine swap for a mitsubishi engine, and where's the point in that. So it's not like ALL college kids with cars are going to go and street race, since I know most people own regular cars, not souped up Civics =) although there's that one kid who raced in a minivan lol... Nonetheless, I would prefer not to be stereotyped as one of those streetracing teenagers with no sense of responsibility.

On a side note, the new Civic has AWESOME crash ratings! At BOTH the IIHS AND the uhh forgot the acronym but the government tests by the National Highway something or another lol.
 

adlep

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Damm nice price....
I will not be able to afford it for another year!
And then I am going to get an LX Accord, or 99, 2000 Civic SI...
I love Honda, I will never buy another car but H.....
Right now have 96 Civic Hatchback with 135.000 miles on it, and it still looks/drives like a new thing...
Also a week ago I got another Civic LX auto for $7500.00 with 40000 to my girlfirend, so now we have 2 Civics he he
Long live Honda, the maker of the best brand of cars ever....
BTW, did you noticed that Honda is advertising USED cars in their commercials......?
 

alluu

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The Accord is a great car. My 2000 is approaching 32,000 and running great...need new tires though since I have worn these out. Try to get the LX at least...so much more resale value in a few years.

I purchased my 2 DR EX in early 2000 when they just came out with that years model...paid $23,650 and that was the best price I could get in the Bay Area. With I knew about anandtech then but my mine is fully loaded (leather, moonroof, the works). The feel of the car is a much more expensive car and I am sure Honda has made improvements/adjustments since 2000.

The 2002 should be a steal with the newly designed 03 coming. 02 should disappear by Oct so get it while you can.
 

vinnyracer

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Go for a LX, instead of a DX. I'm tried of driving a bottom of the line model.

I got a used 96 Civic DX Coupe with 55k for $4,500. I would surely love power windows.
 

dentalboy

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hey guys what does stolen data about cars have to do with a hot deal lets try to stick to the subject at hand
 

mamax

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How is this car?

I went to Honda dealership today. there aren't many Accord left. What I am looking for is a Honda Accord EX 4Door 4Cyc.

the guy told me the only car left is a green demo car, which has 2400 miles on it.

the price is:

19,258$for this EX 4dr. 4cyc. which including 460 freight fee.

is that a good price?

i need your guys help




 

paulieside

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hmm it's all about whether or not its worth it to buy a better model or get thsi model at this price
 

Bob151

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Originally posted by: dethman
Originally posted by: OJEDAWC


Actually that is not a correct statement. I worked for an auto manufacturer for a number of years and there are many related journals that publish the total quantity of vehicles sold per quarter by model (accross each auto manufacturer). The American auto manufacturers outsell the Japaness big time. In fact, it was the norm for a single model of Ford to outsell all the sales of Honda models in that quarter. I am not sure what state county you are from but in a few states people might think that there are a ton of Honda's on U.S. roads...the fact is compared to other auto makers there are not.


american auto makers rule in trucks (f-series, silverado). when it comes to cars, japanese auto makers lead the pack (accord, camry, civic).

Fact: Your insurance rates will be higher for a Honda Accord then a comparable car from another auto maker
Fact: Your chance of getting your vehicle stolen will be dramatically higher

both false statements. insurance is hella cheap, ask anyone who drives an accord, or my gf, who's insurance is about $66/mo. and she's young and got tickets/points too.
and no, the chance of your vehicle getting stolen will not be dramatically higher,

Consumer Reports

top theft rates, per 1,000 cars, 2000

top theft rates, per 1,000 cars, 1999

top theft rates per 1000 cars, 1998

top theft rates per 1,000 cars, EVER


the accord doesn't even make it onto the map. don't let 'total' numbers fool you. notice japanese cars and american cars both make the list quite frequently.

Excellent research, dethman.

Mitsubishi, once a near chrysler subsidiary, takes in 3 of the top 5 of all time stolen vehicles by % of models sold. HAHAHAHA!

Honda, probably due to keeping an eye on quality, has fitted some of their vehicles with theft deterant systems, fuel immobilizers, etc....

Good work Honda. Only the '91 Prelude is on the list.


 

Bob151

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Originally posted by: RossMAN
roncarter - I agree the Accord DX does blow regardless of how cheap it is. At the very least I'd get a VP but it's worth every penny to pay the $2,500 to get the LX esp when it comes time to sell it.

Raju420 - I wouldn't pay $22k, the most I'd pay is $19,500, maybe $22k if it were the V6.

When I was looking, I saw the Camry V6 XLE w/leather, sidebags, moonroof, almost 29K list w/o navi. I told the sales man, that was near the list of an Acura TL w/o navi. He was surprised (hmm ?).

I like the TL, wish I could afford it.

Got my Accord V6 EX (that is standard with leather, moonroof, alloy, 6cd, auto climate) for 22K (best I could find, not like CA/OR). He's right, don't buy a non-leather I4 for that much unless they hate the Accord.

 

Bob151

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Originally posted by: wje
I found out the engine is same as taurus 3.0 Duramax
I think you meant to say Duratec. Remember, a Ford V-6 Duratec with 20 more horsepower is going to be an engine upgrade for the new Mazda 6.
Nice looking car. But a Ford engine? :(

 

Bob151

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Originally posted by: mamax
How is this car?

I went to Honda dealership today. there aren't many Accord left. What I am looking for is a Honda Accord EX 4Door 4Cyc.

the guy told me the only car left is a green demo car, which has 2400 miles on it.

the price is:

19,258$for this EX 4dr. 4cyc. which including 460 freight fee.

is that a good price?

i need your guys help
I don't think those miles are too high for a demo. I was offered one with 8,000 miles at a discount of just $800. I passed.

$19.2 just doesn't seem that great, its invoice. There was a $1,250 factory to dealer rebate that was motivating dealers to go well under invoice. I think it might be over. If you can't get a good deal under invoice, then maybe the '03 LX would be good for you, a little over invoice in about 6 months. I read that Honda expects this new one to be the national sales leaders.

Check out all the info about the '03 Accord at www.vtec.net or is it .org, something like that.

[edit]

Oh, and there was another accord thread where deals were discussed in great quantity if you want to compare.


 

RossMAN

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Originally posted by: SweetBaboo
deal dead? or are there more rebates...it's coming up as $13,693 for me

Might as well buy a Honda Civic EX if you want to get an Accord DX which is STRIPPED and doesn't even have the 150hp VTEC engine.

If I HAD to get a DX I'd get the VP trim (Value Package) which usually adds automatic transmission and a/c.
 

Amputater

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For those that is worried about your car being stolen. Why dont you get an AutoLock for your Car. Seems like the only way to boost a car with an AutoLock is to Tow it!