New 20" Apple iMac

[Anubis]

Originally posted by: Sunner

Originally posted by: Anubis

Originally posted by: Sunner

Originally posted by: Anubis
as i said in the post in OT yesterday

"WOW an even bigger paper weight"

As I've said before.

"The ignorance of x86 users makes me wanna get a Mac"

im not ignorant i actually have respect for macs just not the damn imacs cause im forced to use them almost every day and they are horribly slow.

and putting a 20in LCD on it is just pointless. at 1.25GHz they arnt powerful enough to do anything that would require a screen that big. And for 2200$ you can build 1 hell of a PC with a 20in LCD, just build a Shuttle mini pc and your set same size as an imac and its upgradeable . now if this thing had a G5 in it i would say it would be sweet but the G4 is a crappy CPU. we have labs full of them and they do everything slow even the 1+GHz ones. hell even browsing the net is slower using safari then it is using IE on a 600 MHz Celeron 1. on the same network

i do use dual G4 tower macs at work and in the lab and they are nice especially with OSX but they serve a purpose. Video editing and hard core math Sims. a imac with a 20in LCD has no purpose

From your comment it sounded like you thought they were worthless crap.

I agree they're overpriced, but hey, so are alot of products in every market out there, doesn't mean it has no purpose.
My parrents would probably love an iMac.
Looks nice enough to put it pretty much anywhere in the house, quiet, it will do whatever they want, and do it good.
It just comes at a rather hefty price.

sometimes PCs are worthless also

i understand that the imac is perfect for someone that just need a comp for browsing teh web and doing sinmple things. but do they need a 20in LCD? the normal one is fine for that. and the price is too much. you can get a Dell with a LCD for less then a grand

 

[mooojojojo]

Originally posted by: Anubis
sometimes PCs are worthless also

i understand that the imac is perfect for someone that just need a comp for browsing teh web and doing sinmple things. but do they need a 20in LCD? the normal one is fine for that. and the price is too much. you can get a Dell with a LCD for less then a grand

Well for someone who digs nice product design, and wants an all-in-one PC with a large screen the 20" iMac fits quite nicely. And I think that it doesn't cost them too much to change the 17" for a 20" LCD in terms of production values (not the price of the LCD itself) so they can make really small numbers only to meet the demand.

and hans- Apple is one of the few computer companies that acually do know what they are doing in my opinion - their product line-up doesn't have loose (sp?) ends (even if you want to call this iMac worthless). There are 3 highend notebooks, 2 mainstream, 3 high-end desktops and 3 mainstream (well the price on this 20" is kinda high but it's still mainstream I suppose ). Also a lot of other companies are following in theirs steps in terms of lineup - look at Dell with their MP3 jukebox. I don't see Apple doing that - they're not jumping on producing printers or switches or anything.

 

[Sunner]

How many people need 42" plasma TV's?
3.2 GHz P4's?
Ferraris?
Etc etc.

Maybe because their vision isn't the best and they like a big screen? Maybe they like the extra space? Maybe "just because"?

 

[LethalWolfe]

Originally posted by: hans007
im gonna have to agree that this is a stupid idea.


apple has no idea what they are doing. the imac is supposed to be a budget model. this thing probably costs close to $2000.


i dont understand how they ever expect to grow market share, since their only budget model is the eMAC and it is not aggressively marketed.


apple is now living off the sales of ipods and powerbooks. it will be fun watching them slowly die off as a real PC competitor. theyshould have switched to consumer electronics a long time ago, since they area lot better at physical designs than setting software standards.

LOL

The eMac, not the iMac, is Apple's low end "budget" computer. The iMac is targeted for the typical home user. And if you don't want/can't afford the 20" iMac then, guess what, buy a different model iMac. The 20" is the top of the line, not the only option.

Only living off of iPod and Powerbook sales? Does the G5 ring a bell? And have you looked at IBM's PPC roadmap lately?

Switch to consumer electronics? OS X, Final Cut Pro, DVD Studio Pro, iLife (iMovie, iDVD, iTunes, iPhoto)...Yeah, Apple can't produce good software.

Lethal

 

[Erasmus-X]

Looks sweet, But I would have to question the longevity of that little arm holding the screen up. Could be saggin' like a busted kickstand in a short time.

Judging from the 15" and 17" models, I don't think the stainless steel arm is going to be much of a problem. I know several people who own flat-panel iMacs and after like a year of abuse, the arm still as solid as the day it was new. I still can't figure out how they did it...

 

[hans007]

Originally posted by: LethalWolfe

Originally posted by: hans007
im gonna have to agree that this is a stupid idea.


apple has no idea what they are doing. the imac is supposed to be a budget model. this thing probably costs close to $2000.


i dont understand how they ever expect to grow market share, since their only budget model is the eMAC and it is not aggressively marketed.


apple is now living off the sales of ipods and powerbooks. it will be fun watching them slowly die off as a real PC competitor. theyshould have switched to consumer electronics a long time ago, since they area lot better at physical designs than setting software standards.

LOL

The eMac, not the iMac, is Apple's low end "budget" computer. The iMac is targeted for the typical home user. And if you don't want/can't afford the 20" iMac then, guess what, buy a different model iMac. The 20" is the top of the line, not the only option.

Only living off of iPod and Powerbook sales? Does the G5 ring a bell? And have you looked at IBM's PPC roadmap lately?

Switch to consumer electronics? OS X, Final Cut Pro, DVD Studio Pro, iLife (iMovie, iDVD, iTunes, iPhoto)...Yeah, Apple can't produce good software.

Lethal

i didnt say theydont make good software. i was saying that they will never have big enough market share to be the software base standard. when they let the cloners in a decade ago that was probably a good idea.

by making more expensive computers they will never have the market share they need and they will always be this small niche market company.

companies like that will eventually die. granted wintel has not caught up in media apps. and so this has been predicted a million times already. but when the hassle factor of using a computer that only 1% of the world uses and the prohibitive cost of owning one, outweighs the better software and nice looking designs, the will die.


proprietary niche products always die. look at sun, they are down to 6% market share and starting to take on x86 cpus. sgi = dead. and so on. sgi made some nice products. but eventually they died.

i guess its not so bad that they are making a 20" one, like someone else said its probably not a huge cost difference, to just pop on a different screen. but if they want to expand, they should stop crippling all their product lines. or maybe sell the 15" imac for $999 instead of 1299. lower the emac to 599. just to get units out and get their market share back up.

i suppose i am not CEO of apple.

 

[LethalWolfe]

Originally posted by: hans007

Originally posted by: LethalWolfe

Originally posted by: hans007
im gonna have to agree that this is a stupid idea.


apple has no idea what they are doing. the imac is supposed to be a budget model. this thing probably costs close to $2000.


i dont understand how they ever expect to grow market share, since their only budget model is the eMAC and it is not aggressively marketed.


apple is now living off the sales of ipods and powerbooks. it will be fun watching them slowly die off as a real PC competitor. theyshould have switched to consumer electronics a long time ago, since they area lot better at physical designs than setting software standards.

LOL

The eMac, not the iMac, is Apple's low end "budget" computer. The iMac is targeted for the typical home user. And if you don't want/can't afford the 20" iMac then, guess what, buy a different model iMac. The 20" is the top of the line, not the only option.

Only living off of iPod and Powerbook sales? Does the G5 ring a bell? And have you looked at IBM's PPC roadmap lately?

Switch to consumer electronics? OS X, Final Cut Pro, DVD Studio Pro, iLife (iMovie, iDVD, iTunes, iPhoto)...Yeah, Apple can't produce good software.

Lethal

i didnt say theydont make good software. i was saying that they will never have big enough market share to be the software base standard. when they let the cloners in a decade ago that was probably a good idea.

by making more expensive computers they will never have the market share they need and they will always be this small niche market company.

companies like that will eventually die. granted wintel has not caught up in media apps. and so this has been predicted a million times already. but when the hassle factor of using a computer that only 1% of the world uses and the prohibitive cost of owning one, outweighs the better software and nice looking designs, the will die.


proprietary niche products always die. look at sun, they are down to 6% market share and starting to take on x86 cpus. sgi = dead. and so on. sgi made some nice products. but eventually they died.

i guess its not so bad that they are making a 20" one, like someone else said its probably not a huge cost difference, to just pop on a different screen. but if they want to expand, they should stop crippling all their product lines. or maybe sell the 15" imac for $999 instead of 1299. lower the emac to 599. just to get units out and get their market share back up.

i suppose i am not CEO of apple.

I don't see Porsche, Avid or Alienware on their death beds. Niche products don't die if they change/evolve w/the times. And like I said, the most recent numbers for Apple show a rise in market share for the last quarter and those numbers don't include any G5 sales. I'm unaware of this "hassle factor" that comes along w/owning a Mac (which has an installed US user base of about 12%, globally I don't know). After years of using both platforms side by side one of the reasons I favor the Mac platform is because it is less of a hassle than Windows. And yes the cost of a Mac is prohibitive... if you can only afford a barebones, budget system. But under those circumstances most computers qualify as prohibitively<sp?> expensive. The iPod is the most expensive player in the market, but that hasn't stopped it from becoming the #1 player. And all companies cripple their product lines. That's about the only cost-effective way to create a tiered product structure.

Apple's goal is to sell Apple's products. Apple's goal is not to overtake Dell or MS in terms of market share. If by some chance that happends than it happends, but I am quite sure that Steve Jobs isn't thinking of how he can sell a Mac cheaper than Michael Dell can sell a Dell. Apple isAnd the clones were killing Apple. Why? Because Apple is a hardware company. Apple makes software in order to sell its hardware. This explains the premium on Apple computers and the dirt-cheapness of Apple branded software. The iApps are free. FCP 4 is a $3,500 software bundle that sells for $999. DVD Studio Pro 2 is a professional level program that is in the price range of hi-end consumer/prosumer software. After Apple purchased Shake they dropped the price by like 1/3. iTMS is around to sell iPods.


Lethal