Neverwhere.....

[kduncan5]

What would you do if you found a girl lying on the sidewalk bleeding? Would you help her, even if it meant your life would change forever? No one in the world "up above" would recognize you or would even acknowledge your existence, the only people who could help you are the ones who "slipped through the cracks" and now reside in a world you never knew existed.....below ground? And the girl you rescued had the uncany ability to "open doors" where none existed.....to places you never knew existed?

Neverwhere, by Neil Gaiman, is a tripped out book (and BBC series).......-kd5-

 

[UglyCasanova]

wow.

 

[WhiteWonder]

what?

 

[UberNeuman]

I'd say "Hey, baby - my name's Uber, what's happening?"

 

[Ryan]

<< wow. >>


exactly!

 

[kduncan5]

whew!.....at least someone acknowledged my existence. I was starting to wonder..... -kd5-

 

[GoldenGuppy]

<< What would you do if you found a girl lying on the sidewalk bleeding? Would you help her, even if it meant your life would change forever? No one in the world "up above" would recognize you or would even acknowledge your existence, the only people who could help you are the ones who "slipped through the cracks" and now reside in a world you never knew existed.....below ground? And the girl you rescued had the uncany ability to "open doors" where none existed.....to places you never knew existed? >>



Well... taken out of context, I will have to go w/ what I am given (might be inaccurate, because I have yet to have the opportunity to read the entire work). W/ that I say that the chances of your life changing is not within your control... if a girl is laying there bleeding, and you do not know who she is, how are you to know that your life will change if you save her?? How are you to know what is to come? You will just act on your personal instinct... there's nothing written on her shirt that'd say, "YOUR LIFE WILL CAHNGE if you SAVE ME"

Hmm... however, could this excerpt be an allusion to the gateways between heaven and earth? meaning that if you were to save the girl, that your life would change in the aspect that if you were in front of a judgement panel... that your proud action of saving this girl would help seperate you from the world that is heaven and hell and move you into heaven? That's what I'm certainly getting (especially with the "below ground" ordeal, even though that is just a conceptual idea).

It's like the old proverb, the man seeing a spider... and instead of squashing it... he let it go. that was the only good deed that he has done all his live.... he was condemned to hell... because he was a bad man overall. however, once he was there, the spider tried to save him by weaving and casting a webstring down to him to climb up.... however, he never prevailed

)(GG)

 

[bootymac]

uh.........................whatever GG said

 

[UglyCasanova]

goldenGuppy must be really smart. Me and you better get friends when I have to do my English reports.

 

[kduncan5]

<< Well... taken out of context, I will have to go w/ what I am given (might be inaccurate, because I have yet to have the opportunity to read the entire work). W/ that I say that the chances of your life changing is not within your control... if a girl is laying there bleeding, and you do not know who she is, how are you to know that your life will change if you save her?? How are you to know what is to come? You will just act on your personal instinct... there's nothing written on her shirt that'd say, "YOUR LIFE WILL CAHNGE if you SAVE ME" >>




Actually that thought occurred to me after I'd posted, but chose not to edit the original text.




<< Hmm... however, could this excerpt be an allusion to the gateways between heaven and earth? meaning that if you were to save the girl, that your life would change in the aspect that if you were in front of a judgement panel... that your proud action of saving this girl would help seperate you from the world that is heaven and hell and move you into heaven? That's what I'm certainly getting (especially with the "below ground" ordeal, even though that is just a conceptual idea). >>




Actually, that thought never occurred to me, and would not have, as I choose not to allude to psychological or spiritual connections in the stories I read, unless it is intended by the author that I do so.


Thanks! That was illuminating nonetheless! -kd5-

 

[linuxboy]

bah, do your own English reports
let's examine what would happen if one somehow did know the result of helping the gir. This is unlikely but given the abstract nature of this post, any more abstraction will just make it better

If one did have preknowledge that this person holds some sort of supernatural powers and that that one in question also supposed the existense of heaven and I assume a place "down there" would be the equivalent of a concept of hell, then that one has now a choice. The person can either risk loosing recognition by whatever is "up there" meaning that for all intents and purposes, the supposed entities would know of you and know that you were there, but through some weird exception, it would be as if you were (I've replaced one and person with you for ease) not "on file" or recognized as one who had to follow the normal procedure and protocol or rules ascribed for all others who exist. That would be really cool . It would make one a sort of explorer or a newcomer on a path and journey of discovery of new dimensions and existenses never thought possible where ordinary conceptions didn't apply. It would be as if thought materialized and existed side by side with your non-existent existense. mmmm. this sounds really cool.

But then a problem arises. Having some preknowledge, does the preknowledge stop at some point? Or does it have some ultimate source? If it does, then there must be an alternative to helping the girl to "open" the doors into new worlds. Could you somehow acquire this ability? What is the origin of the girl? Can you help and refuse?

Or as more appropriately asked by the majority of posters here.

Is she hot? and
PICS??

with that in mind, I can't give an answer as to what I'd choose based on rational analysis. What would I concretely do in this situation? I'd help her. That is my personal code that transcends logic.

 

[GoldenGuppy]

Always trying to do my one better aren't you linuxboy!? :| lol

But seriously, he brings up some great points.



<< But then a problem arises. Having some preknowledge, does the preknowledge stop at some point? Or does it have some ultimate source? If it does, then there must be an alternative to helping the girl to "open" the doors into new worlds. Could you somehow acquire this ability? What is the origin of the girl? Can you help and refuse? >>



Preknowledge isn't predetermined... or is it? I'm confused at this ideal since way back when. I don't understand whether one would have the knowledge that he/she is destined to do something... it just never did make sense to me. You don't know the girl... and w/o this knowledge you can't make the proper judgement... unless there is just something that clicks in your psyche at the moment that triggers you to get involved in one way or another



<< with that in mind, I can't give an answer as to what I'd choose based on rational analysis. What would I concretely do in this situation? I'd help her. That is my personal code that transcends logic. >>



Yep, you'd help her... I would help her too.. but take into consideration the scenario of a cold-hearted murderer/robber running away from the cops... if he sees this girl laying there.. would he waste his time and help her? Most likely not... so the point that is being made here is that everybody has different principles... and just because linuxboy or myself or anybody else were to save this girl, doesn't mean that EVERYBODY would ... .just based on persception and situation

)(GG)

 

[LordMaul]

Hmmmm.....is she a babe?




I can't believe I just typed that...

 

[imported_vr6]

i'don't know what all that GG and the others were talking about, but i would save her. Just think about it, If you didn't save her and she died there, how would you feel? Knowing that someone's life was in you hand and u didn't do anything about it would put me in LIVING hell.

 

[imported_vr6]

and oh yeah.. WHERES THE PIC OF THIS GIRL I AM ABOUT TO SAVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[kduncan5]

Sorry, but the pic would be in your creative imagination if you chose to read the book. You get the impression, though, that she would be approx. 17 years old, and very pretty (petite) once she was cleaned up -kd5-

Just for the record, I would probably stop to help her too, even if I did know that my life would change forever. I mean, what's a little adventure in this otherwise droll existence? -kd5-

 

[UNCjigga]

A much better book is the Manhattan Hunt Club. Go get it at your favorite bookstore tomorrow. Its about these rich prick investment bankers in NYC who populate the old sewers with homeless people and lost tourists, and then they hunt them. I can't wait for the movie. Knowing Hollywood they'll try to cast Freddie Prinze Jr. or someone else in the same vein, those damn bastards...