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EyeMWing

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Originally posted by: ThaGrandCow
Originally posted by: dtyn
Originally posted by: Sukhoi
dtyn, is your M4 gonna be full auto? :D

GoodRevrnd, gotta keep it inside out of the elements. :)
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Full-auto; Platoon Leaders Class trainee in the United States Marine Corps.
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Eep... I guess I should start calling you "sir" from now on when I quote your posts.

<--- Only a piddly LCpl in the Marines, won't be going for officer for another few years.

:beer:
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You mean

SIR :beer: SIR
 
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Gyrene

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Originally posted by: ThaGrandCow
Originally posted by: dtyn
Originally posted by: Sukhoi
dtyn, is your M4 gonna be full auto? :D

GoodRevrnd, gotta keep it inside out of the elements. :)
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Full-auto; Platoon Leaders Class trainee in the United States Marine Corps.
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Eep... I guess I should start calling you "sir" from now on when I quote your posts.

<--- Only a piddly LCpl in the Marines, won't be going for officer for another few years.

:beer:
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That's right, maggot! :p
You've got rank on me until after I finish the OCS in Quantico this June. I'm still just a trainee. So you're safe from my wrath until that point. ;)

:beer: for a fellow Marine
 
BrunoPuntzJones

BrunoPuntzJones

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Wow, in much better shape than I thought it would be. And yup, should be on the C&R list. I have my C&R 03 FFL and didn't see it listed specifically in the book, but know that it is because of the age. Looking at a $200 tax for transfer I guess.

You can probably score a lock cheaper on eBay, saw 2 on ther right now. I dunno the legalities on the locks, may require another $200 transfer (could be considered a machine gun by itself, no clue).

Really nice that you have the whole thing, doesn't seem to be missing any parts. Still on the stand, stand has all the parts, etc.

Certainly put a lot of care into cleaning it :) I'd love to have something like that to restore, sure beats cosmoline soaked Turk Mausers.

It has a healthy coat of patina on it ;) Pics don't look like anything that can't be fixed though. I'm guessing that you'll probably have to have it blasted and reblued. On something like that, I dunno if I would go with someone local. There are people like Dean at DGR who just do old stuff. May be able to find someone using the right message boards who has redone one. Try subguns.net to start. Lots of auto people over there who may be able to help.

It'll probably cost a lot to get fixed up, but when finished, probably looking at close to $20k in value.

And at say, a buck a round for good 8mm ammo, you'll be shooting $400 a minute :p

Freakin' congrats, nothing I like more than coming across pieces of history.

 
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Sukhoi

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As far as I know there are no regulations on the locks. It's the receivers that have to be registered and all.

I think you're a bit off on the value though...I've heard of mint condition matching guns going for ~$5000. However, the fact that I have the sled and topstrap adds to the value significantly.

Aren't you a bit high on the ammo too? I thought decent 7.92x57 was $.10 to $.20 a round?
 
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Ronstang

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A lot of those early machine guns were actually painted and not blued but I have no personal experience with the 08. You should be able to find tons of info on the internet to help you. The ammo for that gun is the cheapest big caliber rifle ammo you can buy right now....you can pick up 1400 round cases for $75 or less as there is a lot of 8mm on the market right now coming in from all over the world. Most of this ammo is decommissioned ammo from the arsenals of countries all over the world who have all switched to weapons using .308 or just gettting rid of old ammo. I have some right here that is 1941 and 1943 that is still in the original German bandoliers.
 
K1052

K1052

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Originally posted by: Sukhoi
As far as I know there are no regulations on the locks. It's the receivers that have to be registered and all.

Yeah I'm going to have to do a lot of research into the refurbing. For now I just want to get it mechanically operational. Basically buying the parts I need, and getting the paint stripped off the moving parts. Then once I actually have a good paying job and my college loans are sorta paid off I may go for the total restoration with the plasting and re-bluing of the gun and sled. Boy is that gonna cost a mint! :Q

I think you're a bit off on the value though...I've heard of mint condition matching guns going for ~$5000. However, the fact that I have the sled and topstrap adds to the value significantly.

Aren't you a bit high on the ammo too? I thought decent 7.92x57 was $.10 to $.20 a round?
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He might be a tad high on the value, but maybe not. Transferable machine guns fetch some incredible prices these days.

Good surplus ammo can be found near or under $.10 a round. I would stay away from the Turkish surplus though.

You actually own the cheapest machinegun to shoot.:)
 
BrunoPuntzJones

BrunoPuntzJones

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Originally posted by: Sukhoi
As far as I know there are no regulations on the locks. It's the receivers that have to be registered and all.

Yeah I'm going to have to do a lot of research into the refurbing. For now I just want to get it mechanically operational. Basically buying the parts I need, and getting the paint stripped off the moving parts. Then once I actually have a good paying job and my college loans are sorta paid off I may go for the total restoration with the plasting and re-bluing of the gun and sled. Boy is that gonna cost a mint! :Q

I think you're a bit off on the value though...I've heard of mint condition matching guns going for ~$5000. However, the fact that I have the sled and topstrap adds to the value significantly.

Aren't you a bit high on the ammo too? I thought decent 7.92x57 was $.10 to $.20 a round?
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I think getting it mechanically operational is where most of the cost would be. The innards are going to need a thorough fixin'. I'd figure $3k or so to restore. A lock and parts kit will be $1250. You may not have to get a parts kit depending on how much of it you can use. If it were me I'd restore even an individual screw :) Take it out, clear the grooves, refinish.

I know the water jacket is painted, dunno about the rest.

The only machine guns you can get under $5k today are the MAC variants, and maybe something like a Reising POS or some tube guns. Just a registered sear can be upwards of $10k, depending on the gun.

C&R, M2's, and M60s are the big toys right now. Transferable M60 and M2s are in the 20K range. Thompsons, BARs and the ilk are 15-18k. An M1917, which is water-cooled, just came up for sale, price is $30,000. There is huge money in NFA/Class III firearms. Basically, if you don't have $10k to spend, you aren't going to be able to get something nice.

Decent 8mm will run a half-buck a round. I dunno of any clean surplus on the market right now actually. You may want to get into reloading, that would save you assloads. You really shouldn't use commercial ammo in military grade hardware. You can though, and it's as low as $0.30 a round for imported stuff. Almost $1 for Winchester, etc.

There is the surplus 8mm is corrosive, I hope you wouldn't dare use that...You'd get flogged to death for doing that. Yeah it's cheap, a dime or less a round. But it's one thing when you are shooting it out of a $50 Turkish Mauser. It's another when firing it through a $20k machine gun.
 
K1052

K1052

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There is some newer Yugoslav 8MM out there that I think is non-corrosive and is at decent prices.

Reloading for a machine gun might get a little tedious.:D

The corrosive ammo can be used, you just have to clean properly and very carefully. I have put a bunch of it through a Yugo M48 without any problems. Windex and hot water have worked well for me.

The Turk ammo seems to be loaded fairly hot and I have had a few hang fires with it.

Damm. I hate thinking about this because I live in a state that prohibits NFA weapons.:p
 
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Sukhoi

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Originally posted by: hypersonic5
I wonder how many people that gun killed. Just a thought.
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I have thought of that...no way to figure it out though.

I think corrosive ammo is ok to use as long as the gun is stripped down and thoroughly cleaned after firing.
 
BrunoPuntzJones

BrunoPuntzJones

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Originally posted by: K1052
There is some newer Yugoslav 8MM out there that I think is non-corrosive and is at decent prices.

Reloading for a machine gun might get a little tedious.:D

The corrosive ammo can be used, you just have to clean properly and very carefully. I have put a bunch of it through a Yugo M48 without any problems. Windex and hot water have worked well for me.

The Turk ammo seems to be loaded fairly hot and I have had a few hang fires with it.

Damm. I hate thinking about this because I live in a state that prohibits NFA weapons.:p
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Only Yugo I know of is 50's production. There is some mystery 8mm that SOG is selling as non-corrosive, but others are reporting otherwise when actually getting it.

And corrosive ammo is fine if you clean thorougly, it's just really not something that should be run through something like this. You can buy 8mm brass and reload, that's what people who own stuff like MG42s, MG34s, etc. do.

That's just me though. Putting that much into restoring it, I wouldn't mind spending a few hundred extra on a press and dies.
 
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Sukhoi

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Originally posted by: Wintermute76
even tho it's C&R, it still needs to be registered under NFA as well right?
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Yeah it still falls under the NFA stuff.
 
BrunoPuntzJones

BrunoPuntzJones

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Let us know how the transfer works, I'm kind of curious. I don't know how a C&R NFA works. Normally with Class III stuff, you have it on a Form 4 to transfer. Since this is C&R and not Class III, curious what paperwork has to be done.

And keep us updated, pics are always appreciated :D
 
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nmcglennon

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nice stuff... my uncle has a working German MP/STG44 and MP40.
They are really neat to look at and take apart.

Edit: Post pics when you are doen with the restoration.
 
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