#neverclinton movement fueled by Sanders supporters

[ivwshane]

I couldn't agree more. After reading about Hillarys campaign spending 1 million on shills to respond to negative internet posts all that I could think when I read it was that even they wouldn't be that dumb.

If people need any more proof just how fucking gullible people are, this post right here is it!

It took me two seconds to verify this bullshit, do you think anyone else who believes this crap bothered doing that? Of course not, they've got truthiness. The simple fact that this story only appears on right wing or fringe websites should have been a red flag to anyone with half a brain. Never underestimate stupidity.

http://m.dailykos.com/story/2016/4/...n-Troll-Speaks-out-I-was-aghast-at-what-I-saw

 

[ivwshane]

As a Bernie supporter I recognize (as does he) that much of what he proposes would be challenging to say the least, but bold proposals are what's needed to move but an inch closer to the goal in this country.

How many inches has Bernie moved any issue he has supported during his political career for the last 25+ years?

 

[Exophase]

If people need any more proof just how fucking gullible people are, this post right here is it!

It took me two seconds to verify this bullshit, do you think anyone else who believes this crap bothered doing that? Of course not, they've got truthiness. The simple fact that this story only appears on right wing or fringe websites should have been a red flag to anyone with half a brain. Never underestimate stupidity.

http://m.dailykos.com/story/2016/4/...n-Troll-Speaks-out-I-was-aghast-at-what-I-saw

Are you not aware that Correct the Record outright said that they were spending $1 million on internet posts?

http://correctrecord.org/barrier-breakers-2016-a-project-of-correct-the-record/

It doesn't matter if claims like the one you linked are probably false, this is kind of indisputable.

 

[compuwiz1]

Hillary is out of touch with white male voters. She's pretty much lost almost all of them, as they just see her as a cackling, wicked witch, who plays the W card too much. She's also got almost zero support among Veterans and active service members, which is a huge voting block, if you think about it. To them, she is the butcher of Benghazi. Yeah, I know people around here laugh at the Benghazi thing, but as a Veteran, I take it seriously and I am extremely offended by Hillary Rodham Clinton. No self respecting member of the military would ever trust her with their lives, as POTUS. Our Great defenders of our country are not having this POS as our Commander In Chief. This might be her unseen hurdle.

 

[ivwshane]

Are you not aware that Correct the Record outright said that they were spending $1 million on internet posts?

http://correctrecord.org/barrier-breakers-2016-a-project-of-correct-the-record/

It doesn't matter if claims like the one you linked are probably false, this is kind of indisputable.

Nope, I want aware of that despite searching. I could not find a single reputable sources that could corroborate the claim. That may be because I was looking for evidence that Hillary had called for such action and not a super Pac.

 

[fskimospy]

Hillary is out of touch with white male voters. She's pretty much lost almost all of them, as they just see her as a cackling, wicked witch, who plays the W card too much. She's also got almost zero support among Veterans and active service members, which is a huge voting block, if you think about it. To them, she is the butcher of Benghazi. Yeah, I know people around here laugh at the Benghazi thing, but as a Veteran, I take it seriously and I am extremely offended by Hillary Rodham Clinton. No self respecting member of the military would ever trust her with their lives, as POTUS. Our Great defenders of our country are not having this POS as our Commander In Chief. This might be her unseen hurdle.

I think you might be describing the people you hang out with, not veterans more generally. I'm a veteran and I know lots of veterans. I don't know a single one of them that cares about Benghazi. I certainly don't.

 

[nageov3t]

according to actual polls, something like 15% of Sanders supporters say that they wouldn't vote for Clinton... that's almost completely in-line with historic numbers, like the percentage of Clinton '08 primary voters who didn't cast a vote for Obama in the general election.

my guess is the people who are in that 15% are probably the people who would have been voting Green/Libertarian/Breakfast Party/etc otherwise and probably not the people the DNC would have been building their electoral strategy around anyways (given that Dems rarely win the independent/unaffiliated vote in the GE)

 

[ivwshane]

Hillary is out of touch with white male voters. She's pretty much lost almost all of them, as they just see her as a cackling, wicked witch, who plays the W card too much. She's also got almost zero support among Veterans and active service members, which is a huge voting block, if you think about it. To them, she is the butcher of Benghazi. Yeah, I know people around here laugh at the Benghazi thing, but as a Veteran, I take it seriously and I am extremely offended by Hillary Rodham Clinton. No self respecting member of the military would ever trust her with their lives, as POTUS. Our Great defenders of our country are not having this POS as our Commander In Chief. This might be her unseen hurdle.

Her support among white males is at or slightly above where Obama's was when he defeated McCain.

As a veteran you'd have to be pretty stupid not support her based on what she her actual record for veterans. Then again if a propaganda campaign against her works on you then its doubtful facts matter to you.

http://correctrecord.org/hillary-clinton-a-record-of-service-to-veterans/

(Obviously a pro Clinton site but each item has a citation.)

 

[soulcougher73]

I think its fairly safe to say no one really likes Hillary. They either tolerate her or only vote Dem blindly. She wont get my vote. Its either Sanders or nothing.

Actually i don't vote, but that's how i feel 🙂

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Sanders and some of his supporters have been less than gracious toward Clinton in the last couple of months, but when the dust settles and she's nominated, I fully expect the great majority of them will line up behind Clinton. Frankly I believe nearly all thinking Americans have great trepidation about the idea of Donald Trump as leader of the free world.

 

[Lash444]

This weekend I had the opportunity to talk to two females at a bar, and the topic of Trump came up, followed by who we were voting for.

When I said Bernie, they looked at me like the anti-christ. Of course "Socialist" was immediately mentioned, and "Hey look, everything is free."

The irony, and it was delicious, was that one of them was a teacher and the other a social worker.

 

[UglyCasanova]

I think its fairly safe to say no one really likes Hillary. They either tolerate her or only vote Dem blindly.

I'd agree with this to an extent. I've met very few actually true Hillary supporters. No one seems very enthused about the idea.

 

[nageov3t]

I think its fairly safe to say no one really likes Hillary.

African Americans, especially older African Americans and especially older female African Americans really, really, really like Clinton. polls back this up, and I can share my own anecdotal evidence from listening to people talk politics at the barbershop I go to every other Saturday morning (more women than you'd think seem to hit up the barbershop to get their heads shaved/trimmed since they wear wigs)

if what Sanders is arguing for were to actually happen -- the DNC super delegates giving Bernie and nom despite going into the convention with a minority of the pledged delegates and a minority of the popular vote -- I think you'd see African American turnout absolutely crater in the general election and take states off the map that currently show Hillary being potentially competitive in (Georgia, North Carolina, South Carolina)

 

[fskimospy]

I'd agree with this to an extent. I've met very few actually true Hillary supporters. No one seems very enthused about the idea.

This is probably a function of who you hang out with more than anything. While Clinton is an unpopular general election candidate you've still got about 42-45% of voters who say they see her favorably and depending on how the poll breaks it down some 20% or so that view her 'very favorably'. She won millions more votes than her primary opponent. If you don't know almost anyone who actually supports her that seems to imply you don't interact with a fairly large portion of the electorate.

 

[Blackjack200]

I'd agree with this to an extent. I've met very few actually true Hillary supporters. No one seems very enthused about the idea.

While I counted (and still count) myself as a Bernie supporter, it's mostly because I believe he has the correct message. I think Clinton would be a far better president than Sanders, and would be even better than Obama.

She has performed well in every role, from first lady, to Senator, to Sec. of State. The vitriol from the right doesn't mean much to me.

 

[ivwshane]

This is probably a function of who you hang out with more than anything. While Clinton is an unpopular general election candidate you've still got about 42-45% of voters who say they see her favorably and depending on how the poll breaks it down some 20% or so that view her 'very favorably'. She won millions more votes than her primary opponent. If you don't know almost anyone who actually supports her that seems to imply you don't interact with a fairly large portion of the electorate.

I agree but I do find it a little concerning that I too have yet to meet a Hillary supporter. I've met plenty of before supporters though. You would think that a candidate who, according polls, has a high voter enthusiasm number that I'd meet at least one Hillary supporter.

I'm in California too so it will be interesting to see how this primary goes.

 

[ivwshane]

While I counted (and still count) myself as a Bernie supporter, it's mostly because I believe he has the correct message. I think Clinton would be a far better president than Sanders, and would be even better than Obama.

She has performed well in every role, from first lady, to Senator, to Sec. of State. The vitriol from the right doesn't mean much to me.

Not only does Bernie have a better message, he has a better track record of being on the right side of the issues. Hillary seems to always have to come around to the correct side.

Other than that I think Hillary is the superior candidate.

 

[fskimospy]

I agree but I do find it a little concerning that I too have yet to meet a Hillary supporter. I've met plenty of before supporters though. You would think that a candidate who, according polls, has a high voter enthusiasm number that I'd meet at least one Hillary supporter.

I'm in California too so it will be interesting to see how this primary goes.

Where I live it was almost impossible to find a Clinton supporter. It was Sanders people everywhere I went. Then Hillary completely decimated Sanders in NYC. Turns out I hang out with mostly younger, college educated white people much as I imagine you do.

 

[soulcougher73]

Where I live it was almost impossible to find a Clinton supporter. It was Sanders people everywhere I went. Then Hillary completely decimated Sanders in NYC. Turns out I hang out with mostly younger, college educated white people much as I imagine you do.

Im in Kansas City now but have tons of old CA Bay Area people on facebook etc. Neither here nor on FB have i seen a Clinton supporter yet. Lots of Sanders supports and a few Trumpeter Swans though.

 

[Blackjack200]

Where I live it was almost impossible to find a Clinton supporter. It was Sanders people everywhere I went. Then Hillary completely decimated Sanders in NYC. Turns out I hang out with mostly younger, college educated white people much as I imagine you do.

This is such a huge problem. People talk to people that are like them, and then assume that the people they are talking to are some kind of representative cross section of the entire country. The truth is almost always the opposite. They're talking to a totally unrepresentative homogeneous group. From there its a short leap to declare that the elections/polls/institutions are fixed because what happened on TV is different from what I read on my Facebook feed.

 

[K1052]

Im in Kansas City now but have tons of old CA Bay Area people on facebook etc. Neither here nor on FB have i seen a Clinton supporter yet. Lots of Sanders supports and a few Trumpeter Swans though.

Sanders supporters have been lighting up my FB page for months now but I know all those people and i'd say at least 90% of them will be voting for Clinton when Bernie finally throws in the towel.

Even the die hard conservative old guys I work with who subsist on a steady diet of Benghazi theories and Monica Lewinsky jokes (hate HRC with a passion) exhibit trepidation when asked if they're voting Trump. Most indicate they'll probably stay home.

 

[fskimospy]

This is such a huge problem. People talk to people that are like them, and then assume that the people they are talking to are some kind of representative cross section of the entire country. The truth is almost always the opposite. They're talking to a totally unrepresentative homogeneous group. From there its a short leap to declare that the elections/polls/institutions are fixed because what happened on TV is different from what I read on my Facebook feed.

Yep, this is why it's smarter to trust scientific polling than your own experience. People don't like to think of themselves as living in a bubble but almost everyone is.

 

[soulcougher73]

Sanders supporters have been lighting up my FB page for months now but I know all those people and i'd say at least 90% of them will be voting for Clinton when Bernie finally throws in the towel.

Even the die hard conservative old guys I work with who subsist on a steady diet of Benghazi theories and Monica Lewinsky jokes (hate HRC with a passion) exhibit trepidation when asked if they're voting Trump. Most indicate they'll probably stay home.

The Sanders supports i know "say" they wont vote for Hillary, but who knows when it really gets down to it. I think they can at least agree Sanders and Trump would be a big change (hopefully) were they believe Hillary is just more of the same. Sanders/Trump supports i think align on anti establishment at least.

 

[fskimospy]

The Sanders supports i know "say" they wont vote for Hillary, but who knows when it really gets down to it. I think they can at least agree Sanders and Trump would be a big change (hopefully) were they believe Hillary is just more of the same. Sanders/Trump supports i think align on anti establishment at least.

Why would Trump be a big change? Every actual policy he has articulated as just been standard Republican ones. (tax plan, health care plan, etc) I mean I guess you could assume he is lying about them, which is certainly possible considering how much he lies about everything else, but other than that it seems to be similar policies just with a lot more yelling and juvenile name calling.

 

[nageov3t]

Yep, this is why it's smarter to trust scientific polling than your own experience. People don't like to think of themselves as living in a bubble but almost everyone is.

pretty much this exactly.

I didn't know a single Republican IRL until I left for college out of state, but despite that, my home state has elected 4 Republican governors to 8 terms in my lifetime.