i know you guys are going to say.. he's 16 he would steal it.. no i wouldn't.. the deal was ok but you should have said the original price and not 200.. but that was the stupid best buy worker mistake!!
Sarcastic,
While the action of stealing is fairly simple, morals, society, circumstances and intent affect the way we look at it. If you steal an apple from a starving child is that worse than stealing one from a bountiful orchard that you know will otherwise never be picked and fall to the ground? Both of them are stealing a single apple, and so one might think they should be punished in the same way. Others might be horrified that anyone would steal an apple from a poor child, while turn a blind eye at someone taking an apple over the orchard wall seeing the orchard so full. It is apparent that Kenny very deliberately lied and schemed in order to save himself 80% at everyone else's expense.
As for is copying music and software worse than stealing, I'll leave it up to the courts to figure that one out. Personally, if someone stole from me, I'd rather they copied it. One is a loss of income. The other is a loss of the same income plus the expense of manufacturing the product.
While the action of stealing is fairly simple, morals, society, circumstances and intent affect the way we look at it. If you steal an apple from a starving child is that worse than stealing one from a bountiful orchard that you know will otherwise never be picked and fall to the ground? Both of them are stealing a single apple, and so one might think they should be punished in the same way. Others might be horrified that anyone would steal an apple from a poor child, while turn a blind eye at someone taking an apple over the orchard wall seeing the orchard so full. It is apparent that Kenny very deliberately lied and schemed in order to save himself 80% at everyone else's expense.
As for is copying music and software worse than stealing, I'll leave it up to the courts to figure that one out. Personally, if someone stole from me, I'd rather they copied it. One is a loss of income. The other is a loss of the same income plus the expense of manufacturing the product.
sarcastic, that argument is flimsy...
sure, it could be argued that everythign is done out of self-interest, but there's a difference between selfishness and self-interest.
everything may be done out of self-interest (to some extent), but unarguably, not selfishness...
sure, it could be argued that everythign is done out of self-interest, but there's a difference between selfishness and self-interest.
everything may be done out of self-interest (to some extent), but unarguably, not selfishness...
wtf is with you people?
he didnt steal anything, he simply brought the open box to the manager and asked for a discount
the only one who stole something was the guy who opened it and stole the cds
he didnt steal anything, he simply brought the open box to the manager and asked for a discount
the only one who stole something was the guy who opened it and stole the cds
cair0,
That was not all he did. He lied about the retail price. I also wonder who would open a box and steal the CDs when there are CDs on a shelf and it would be much quicker to steal those. The whole story sounds a little odd to me.
If all he did was see the open box and get it for half price, what a hot deal. If if was then able to get another $50 off, a fantastic deal. But he wasn't satisfied with that. He had to lie about it.
That was not all he did. He lied about the retail price. I also wonder who would open a box and steal the CDs when there are CDs on a shelf and it would be much quicker to steal those. The whole story sounds a little odd to me.
If all he did was see the open box and get it for half price, what a hot deal. If if was then able to get another $50 off, a fantastic deal. But he wasn't satisfied with that. He had to lie about it.
My $.02, and IANAL
What KennyG did would probably not be considered theft in itself, but it
could easily be seen as aiding and abetting in hte commision of a crime,
fraud, and possible accesory to shoplifting.
Sarcastic, there is a difference between theft and a lucky break, and
kennyG's post clearly outlines that difference. If he had not seen the stealing
of the CD blanks the finding the open box might be considered a "lucky break".
But, by taking advantage of the situation as he did, he is clearly condoning
the criminal behavior that left damaged merchandise on the store shelf, and
he is profiting from that crime and knowingly covering evidence that could be
used in a followup investigation. There is reason to believe that guy may
attempt to steal his CDs in the same fashion at other retailers.
Consequences:
Loss of inventory and legitimate revenue for the store.
Loss of crime prevention opportunity for Law enforcement.
If kennyG takes advantage of the "rebate" then that is a direct act of larceny
against TDK itself.
That I can no longer walk into some stores and examine products off the shelf is
a direct consequence of the actions of morons like that CD stealing a--hole.
Stealing software is wrong, which is why you can look for free or cheap alternatives
or learn to make do without.
Stealing music is wrong, but many people have a legitimate claim to fair use of music
they have already purchased; and a considerate exposure to new music has been shown to
increase record sales.
Not only is stealing store merchandise wrong; but seeing it happen, taking further advantage
of the store becuase of it, and the posting a confession in a publically accesible forum
is just plain STUPID!!!.
You must live a pretty pathetic life to believe there are no people who can or will do
things for no other reason than the personal satisfaction of helping another.
Nobody said Altruism was not self-serving, but there is a difference in acting for
personal profit, and acting for mutual gain.
Finally, he comes here and posts this crap as a HOT DEAL in the General Hardware forum.
Probably expecting that if he posted it in the Hot Deals forum the thread would get
locked and he would get banned over it.
(and yes, I've seen it happen before in similar threads)
The consequences in the way some people will react to kennyG in these forums has yet to
be fully determined, but I don't think we need a poll over it.
On a philisophical note, can you truly claim to see any situation in which there are
no consequences in the interaction of people and objects?
What KennyG did would probably not be considered theft in itself, but it
could easily be seen as aiding and abetting in hte commision of a crime,
fraud, and possible accesory to shoplifting.
Sarcastic, there is a difference between theft and a lucky break, and
kennyG's post clearly outlines that difference. If he had not seen the stealing
of the CD blanks the finding the open box might be considered a "lucky break".
But, by taking advantage of the situation as he did, he is clearly condoning
the criminal behavior that left damaged merchandise on the store shelf, and
he is profiting from that crime and knowingly covering evidence that could be
used in a followup investigation. There is reason to believe that guy may
attempt to steal his CDs in the same fashion at other retailers.
Consequences:
Loss of inventory and legitimate revenue for the store.
Loss of crime prevention opportunity for Law enforcement.
If kennyG takes advantage of the "rebate" then that is a direct act of larceny
against TDK itself.
That I can no longer walk into some stores and examine products off the shelf is
a direct consequence of the actions of morons like that CD stealing a--hole.
Stealing software is wrong, which is why you can look for free or cheap alternatives
or learn to make do without.
Stealing music is wrong, but many people have a legitimate claim to fair use of music
they have already purchased; and a considerate exposure to new music has been shown to
increase record sales.
Not only is stealing store merchandise wrong; but seeing it happen, taking further advantage
of the store becuase of it, and the posting a confession in a publically accesible forum
is just plain STUPID!!!.
You must live a pretty pathetic life to believe there are no people who can or will do
things for no other reason than the personal satisfaction of helping another.
Nobody said Altruism was not self-serving, but there is a difference in acting for
personal profit, and acting for mutual gain.
Finally, he comes here and posts this crap as a HOT DEAL in the General Hardware forum.
Probably expecting that if he posted it in the Hot Deals forum the thread would get
locked and he would get banned over it.
(and yes, I've seen it happen before in similar threads)
The consequences in the way some people will react to kennyG in these forums has yet to
be fully determined, but I don't think we need a poll over it.
On a philisophical note, can you truly claim to see any situation in which there are
no consequences in the interaction of people and objects?
CQuinn - Exactly how I feel, and what I sould say if I wasn't too lazy to type that much. Bravo!
i couldn't care less about best buy, personally, and i would like to see them go out of business for ripping of so many people with crap products at high prices (though it is the same thing that my employer does 
. just out of experience, though, i work at a computer shop at a major university bookstore, and we have a HUGE markup. i mean HUGE, like 15 to 25% on EVERYTHING. we make a lot of sales, especially on crap compaq systems. when something is stolen from us, we don't make a big deal about it unless it is something big. also, if a customer whines enough to the stores manager, they get anything they want. i think that people who manage to return stuff as efective when that person broke it themselves are the real thieves. i'm sure i would have picked up that cdr drive. whether i would have reported the shoplifter depends on the mood that i was in (once again, screw BB). i think that it was very stupid for the BB employee to not check the price. personally, i wouldn't comdemn the act as being too terrible, and i wouldn't lose any sleep over it if i had done it. if you have bought anything at best buy at their full "retail price", then your being ripped off more than makes up for the lost profits from that cdr drive.
--jacob
. just out of experience, though, i work at a computer shop at a major university bookstore, and we have a HUGE markup. i mean HUGE, like 15 to 25% on EVERYTHING. we make a lot of sales, especially on crap compaq systems. when something is stolen from us, we don't make a big deal about it unless it is something big. also, if a customer whines enough to the stores manager, they get anything they want. i think that people who manage to return stuff as efective when that person broke it themselves are the real thieves. i'm sure i would have picked up that cdr drive. whether i would have reported the shoplifter depends on the mood that i was in (once again, screw BB). i think that it was very stupid for the BB employee to not check the price. personally, i wouldn't comdemn the act as being too terrible, and i wouldn't lose any sleep over it if i had done it. if you have bought anything at best buy at their full "retail price", then your being ripped off more than makes up for the lost profits from that cdr drive.--jacob
you my friend are lying. if your friend bought it, he used a credit card. BB only gives store credit for refunds done on a purchase made on CC. And by posting this, you have sent a bad example for out younger members(or those who act like it). Feel Guilty, and return the burner and give a accurate description of the guy who swiped the CDR's.
there is a difference between being motivated to steel something and getting a lucky break. None of you have answered my question on whether you think using illegal software or listening to copied music is less wrong than what kennyg did.
No they are both wrong. Here's your cookie.
KennyG:
You were intentionally dishonest. That speaks volumes about your character. I will never trade with you, based on principle. And no I would have not done the same thing under any circumstances.
No they are both wrong. Here's your cookie.
KennyG:
You were intentionally dishonest. That speaks volumes about your character. I will never trade with you, based on principle. And no I would have not done the same thing under any circumstances.
To kennyG and others who think it's ok because Best Buy is a big corporation, who do you think are the owners of Best buy? The stockholders. Who are they? The largest groups are pension funds and mutual funds. If you think it's cool to steal some teacher's retirement savings, you have a problem. The amount doesn't matter.
who cares, none of you are gonna do anything about it anyway.
if you think this is so horrible then go call up best buy and complain.
(im not defending his actions btw, just felt like sparking another argument)
if you think this is so horrible then go call up best buy and complain.
(im not defending his actions btw, just felt like sparking another argument
)
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<< What KennyG did would probably not be considered theft in itself, but it
could easily be seen as aiding and abetting in hte commision of a crime,
fraud, and possible accesory to shoplifting. >>
I feel compelled to reiterate that, legally speaking, this was clearly theft by false pretenses, in that he knowingly lied about the true price of the item. I have prosecuted any number of shoplifting cases not unlike this one, where the thief has altered a price tag, or added a false sale-price tag, to get a better price.
I just got to thinking about this, and now I am almost sure he is lying. Unless Best Buys through out the nation have differant polocies. But when best buy has an open item, number one it would never get marked 50%off, and secondly, no matter what it always ends in .60 cents. 99.99 is not a price they would put on an open item.
I for one have replied earlier in this thread and as this has progressed i have to say that i find the majority of the replies to be refreshing.I have to admit that i feel frustrated with the ignorant few who in some way support this immorality. But to the majority who are speaking out against this i applaud you. This has become refreshing to me
I agree with CQuinn. Nicely put.
EdipisReks said
and we have a HUGE markup. i mean HUGE, like 15 to 25% on EVERYTHING
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Dude, FYI.
That is NOT a huge mark-up.
40% is considered FAIR in most industries and NECESSARY to make a PROFIT after expenses (which includes paying expenses like your paycheck, taxes, insurance etc...), which after all, is the only way to stay in business.
300-400% is Huge.
EdipisReks said
and we have a HUGE markup. i mean HUGE, like 15 to 25% on EVERYTHING
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Dude, FYI.
That is NOT a huge mark-up.
40% is considered FAIR in most industries and NECESSARY to make a PROFIT after expenses (which includes paying expenses like your paycheck
, taxes, insurance etc...), which after all, is the only way to stay in business.300-400% is Huge.
<< for a computer business, 15-25% markup is huge, believe me.
--jacob >>
No way, computer sellers at trade show often do 50-150%. Trust me
Kenny my man I bet you thought the posts in reply to your thread would be alot different then what you got. If you had a chance to remove your post so no one would ever see it would you????
<< No way, computer sellers at trade show often do 50-150%. Trust me >>
You've never worked in sales have you? :Q The markup is nowhere even CLOSE to that unless we're talking $2100 for a $700 system, overinflated for the trade show to sell to morons with too much dough.
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