Nevada Ranch Armed Standoff - Everyone vs The Feds

[OCGuy]

Nope, not everybody, just you and spidey due to your long history of racism. It's not like anyone doubts how different your reaction would be if the guy here were urban and black.

The conversation has gone just fine, the rancher doesn't have a legal leg to stand on and everyone knows it.

Be honest....you think the American Revolution was about wasted tea, don't you?

Talk about missing the boat...

 

[SpatiallyAware]

Nope, not everybody, just you and spidey due to your long history of racism. It's not like anyone doubts how different your reaction would be if the guy here were urban and black.

The conversation has gone just fine, the rancher doesn't have a legal leg to stand on and everyone knows it.

You and your ilk only shriek racism if the thug is question is black.

Yet you choose not to participate when I am vehemently defending someone darker than burnt umber. Or if I am railing on a thug who happens to be ivory. It just doesn't fit your agenda, does it?

 

[Stewox]

But also to expand on that note in bold.

Some of it applies to me too ofcourse, and I'm learing more and preparing every day.

That most of you anti-bundy guys don't even count, I assume that you are physically and morally weak, ignorant, have no natural survival skills, no combat skills, no philosopy skills, no law skills, no critical thinking skills, no basic construction skills, no food preparing skills, etc,; needed in a crisis without these modern tools which are extremely vulnerable, as every aspect of your life is automated and managed and brought to you, and those facilities can be shut down at any time, doesn't take a conspiracy, one of the richest guys can simply call some contractors and do a little sabotage for example, and did you know that weaponized biological viruses that should be sealed under an armored facility sorrounded by barbed wire and secruity are sitting in a glass closet at your local university, not to mention some of them going "missing" , if the water or even electricity is shut down for a week in the whole country, more than half of the US population would probably die, and let's get more extreme example of let's say if all the pro-corrupt-government people in here would survive an apocalypse, would you be able to rebuild america without any other tool than your mind. You probably don't even know the first 10 amendments of the US bill of rights.

But still maybe you guys can cheer up your selfs on the fact that you're the news guys, just being here in the P&N is a feat, because most of the public that also doesn't count is actually lower, get a load of that, yeah it goes lower, and those are the masses of braindead zombies in the world of entertainment, they get their news from movies, music, tv shows, and ofcourse the number one religion in america today, the celebrity worship.

So in the end it kind of gives you and idea that most of the perception-affected opinions in this thread are just a waste of time maybe. Because, if this happens to you, what would you do, if they come to your house right now, claim the land to be federal by proping up some excuse you didn't pay the tax correctly and you're done, you're a weak and easy prey, that's the reality of this war, either you stay strong you hang separate and the establishment is doing a great job at separating people into all kinds of groups and subgroups. Divide and Conquer, you don't stand a chance, you can debate me all day you want, most of you are walking dead with all the poisonous perscription drugs and vaccines, GMO foods and silicone chemicals in most fast-food bread.

While these pro-property rights protesters who are being widely negatively regarded, would be preared for such an event, and would have much greater chance of survival, would be able to defend them selfs from predators, as they rightfully should to protect the freedom what's left of it on this planet hoax.

I could be as well talking to a wall here, but I opted to type it down and send this needle into the haystack.

And ofcourse for those with low attention span who will not bother to check the previous page of this thread, here's the latest news: http://intellihub.com/anonymous-dhs-whistleblower-alleges-bundy-ranch-surrender-strategical-ploy/

 

[fskimospy]

You and your ilk only shriek racism if the thug is question is black.

Yet you choose not to participate when I am vehemently defending someone darker than burnt umber. Or if I am railing on a thug who happens to be ivory. It just doesn't fit your agenda, does it?

lol. I don't have any agenda other than wishing that you would be even a little bit less racist.

Your posting history speaks for itself.

 

[fskimospy]

Be honest....you think the American Revolution was about wasted tea, don't you?

Talk about missing the boat...

As usual, the response to people pointing out how this guy is a moocher and a thief is "YOU HATE AMERICA, COMRADE".

The rancher doesn't understand the law, he doesn't even understand the constitution of his own state that he claims to be standing up for, etc. He's just a thug stealing from the rest of us. I guess since he's your kind of thug that's okay though, right?

 

[werepossum]

No way this is over because the core issue is not addressed. From the government's standpoint, no way can it allow people to decide that the government is not living up to its obligations which relieves them of their obligation to pay fees or taxes. From the ranchers' side, no way can they continue paying grazing fees to a BLM which uses those fees not for them as originally agreed but against them. I don't see how this conflict gets resolved.

 

[surfsatwerk]

I could be as well talking to a wall here, but I opted to type it down and send this needle into the haystack.

Fluoridation

 

[fskimospy]

But also to expand on that note in bold.

Some of it applies to me and I'm learing more and preparing every day.

That most of you guys don't even count, you are weak, ignorant, have no survival skills, no combat skills, no philosopy skills, no law skills, no critical thinking skills, no basic construction skills, no food preparing skills, needed in a crisis without these modern tools, as every aspect of your life is automated and managed and brought to you, if the water or even electricity is shut down for a week more than half of the US population would die, and let's get more extreme example of let's say all the pro-corrupt-government people in here would surive an apocalypse, would you be able to rebuild america without any other tool than your mind.

But still maybe you guys can cheer up your selfs on the fact that you're the news guys, just being here in the P&N is a feat, because most of the public that also doesn't count is actually lower, get a load of that, yeah it goes lower, and those are the masses of braindead zombies in the world of entertainment, they get their news from movies, music, tv shows, and ofcourse the number one religion in america today, the celebrity worship.

So in the end it kind of gives you and idea that most of the perception opinions in this thread are just a waste of time maybe. Because, if this happens to you, what would you do, if they come to your house right now, claim the land to be federal by proping up some excuse you didn't pay the tax correctly and you're done, you're a weak and easy prey, that's the reality of this war, either you stay strong you hang separate and the establishment is doing a great job at separating people into all kinds of groups and subgroups. Divide and Conquer, you don't stand a chance, you can debate me all day you want, most of you are walking dead with all the poisonous perscription drugs and vaccines, GMO foods and silicone chemicals in most fast-food bread.

While these pro-property rights protesters who are being widely negatively, would be preared for such an event, and would have much greater chance of survival, would be able to defend them selfs from predators, as they rightfully should to protect of the freedom what's left of it on this planet hoax.

I could be as well talking to a wall here, but I opted to type it down and send this needle into the haystack.

I said this before and I'm serious. You appear to be fairly seriously mentally ill and you could genuinely benefit from some sort of psychiatric care.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

lol. I don't have any agenda other than wishing that you would be even a little bit less racist.

Your posting history speaks for itself.

It's so sad that you only see what you want to see. You've lowered yourself to the likes of emp and his crew. If the only thing you look for is racism then that is all you will see.

 

[brycejones]

bable

Says the guy who buys "dietary supplements" from his news source.....

 

[fskimospy]

It's so sad that you only see what you want to see. You've lowered yourself to the likes of emp and his crew. If the only thing you look for is racism then that is all you will see.

I don't look for racism, there are only a few posters on here who seem to be genuinely racist. Geosurface was before he was banned, spidey07, and yourself are all that come to mind.

 

[Oldgamer]

As usual, the response to people pointing out how this guy is a moocher and a thief is "YOU HATE AMERICA, COMRADE".

The rancher doesn't understand the law, he doesn't even understand the constitution of his own state that he claims to be standing up for, etc. He's just a thug stealing from the rest of us. I guess since he's your kind of thug that's okay though, right?

That is interesting that you say that, because another article quoted the Rancher saying this:

Quote: Cliven Bundy, the last remaining rancher in Clark County, Nev., stands at the center of what has become a national controversy over the private use of federal land. He is focused on one big issue, he said in a radio interview with Glenn Beck on Monday: He doesn’t believe the land belongs to the federal government.

“I think this is very clarifying to people,” Beck said. “Your stance is, ‘I do not recognize these lands to be federal … I am staking out my claim that the United States government does not have any jurisdiction, and any rights to the land that [I am] now grazing on.’”

“That’s right,” Bundy said. “It’s Nevada land.”

Bundy said he has “no contract with the United States government,” and the federal government has “no jurisdiction or authority” on his grazing rights, water rights, access rights, ranch improvement rights or anything else that “belongs to ‘we the people’ of Clark County.”

The rancher took his argument back to the 19th century, when Nevada became a state. According to him, the federal government did, in fact, control the land when Nevada was a territory. But, he claimed, when the territory became a state, the government turned that land over to the sovereignty of the state of Nevada, and thus the federal government lacks the power to control it today.

News Article link here

I am getting the feeling he is a "secessionist" type...LOL

 

[OCGuy]

As usual, the response to people pointing out how this guy is a moocher and a thief is "YOU HATE AMERICA, COMRADE".

The rancher doesn't understand the law, he doesn't even understand the constitution of his own state that he claims to be standing up for, etc. He's just a thug stealing from the rest of us. I guess since he's your kind of thug that's okay though, right?

Do you believe that if you keep attacking individual posters and some relig-nut farmer, you will somehow distract from the real issue on a wide-enough scale that the disaster for anti-2A crowd will disappear?

Do you have the logical fallacy list in front of you, so you can cross them off as you go?

You are now even putting fabricated quotes in with random French/European slang associated more recently with Russians.

The feds not mowing down those civilians must have you really upset...

 

[fskimospy]

Do you believe that if you keep attacking individual posters and some relig-nut farmer, you will somehow distract from the real issue on a wide-enough scale that the disaster for anti-2A crowd will disappear?

Do you have the logical fallacy list in front of you, so you can cross them off as you go?

You are now even putting fabricated quotes in with random French/European slang associated more recently with Russians.

The feds not mowing down those civilians must have you really upset...

I like how now you've switched from calling me unamerican to saying I want people to be killed. Do you think that continuing with this silliness will make the rancher's actions any less bad?

The rancher's justification for his actions directly conflicts not only with the federal constitution but with the very constitution of the state that he claims to be defending. No one is willing to honestly address this because it blows up his whole argument.

I want the guy to stop stealing from people. Apparently that's a lot to ask.

 

[fskimospy]

That is interesting that you say that, because another article quoted the Rancher saying this:

Quote: Cliven Bundy, the last remaining rancher in Clark County, Nev., stands at the center of what has become a national controversy over the private use of federal land. He is focused on one big issue, he said in a radio interview with Glenn Beck on Monday: He doesn’t believe the land belongs to the federal government.

“I think this is very clarifying to people,” Beck said. “Your stance is, ‘I do not recognize these lands to be federal … I am staking out my claim that the United States government does not have any jurisdiction, and any rights to the land that [I am] now grazing on.’”

“That’s right,” Bundy said. “It’s Nevada land.”

Bundy said he has “no contract with the United States government,” and the federal government has “no jurisdiction or authority” on his grazing rights, water rights, access rights, ranch improvement rights or anything else that “belongs to ‘we the people’ of Clark County.”

The rancher took his argument back to the 19th century, when Nevada became a state. According to him, the federal government did, in fact, control the land when Nevada was a territory. But, he claimed, when the territory became a state, the government turned that land over to the sovereignty of the state of Nevada, and thus the federal government lacks the power to control it today.

News Article link here

I am getting the feeling he is a "secessionist" type...LOL

I think it's awesome that he thinks that Nevada took control of those lands when it became a state despite the extraordinarily clear language in Nevada's constitution that it did no such thing.

The guy is a nut.

 

[TerryMathews]

That is interesting that you say that, because another article quoted the Rancher saying this:

Quote: Cliven Bundy, the last remaining rancher in Clark County, Nev., stands at the center of what has become a national controversy over the private use of federal land. He is focused on one big issue, he said in a radio interview with Glenn Beck on Monday: He doesn’t believe the land belongs to the federal government.

“I think this is very clarifying to people,” Beck said. “Your stance is, ‘I do not recognize these lands to be federal … I am staking out my claim that the United States government does not have any jurisdiction, and any rights to the land that [I am] now grazing on.’”

“That’s right,” Bundy said. “It’s Nevada land.”

Bundy said he has “no contract with the United States government,” and the federal government has “no jurisdiction or authority” on his grazing rights, water rights, access rights, ranch improvement rights or anything else that “belongs to ‘we the people’ of Clark County.”

The rancher took his argument back to the 19th century, when Nevada became a state. According to him, the federal government did, in fact, control the land when Nevada was a territory. But, he claimed, when the territory became a state, the government turned that land over to the sovereignty of the state of Nevada, and thus the federal government lacks the power to control it today.

News Article link here

I am getting the feeling he is a "secessionist" type...LOL

Saying that the land is state and not federal land is a far cry from advocating for secession.

 

[brycejones]

Saying that the land is state and not federal land is a far cry from advocating for secession.

Its also a very far cry from reality........

 

[Victorian Gray]

That is interesting that you say that, because another article quoted the Rancher saying this:

Quote: Cliven Bundy, the last remaining rancher in Clark County, Nev., stands at the center of what has become a national controversy over the private use of federal land. He is focused on one big issue, he said in a radio interview with Glenn Beck on Monday: He doesn’t believe the land belongs to the federal government.

“I think this is very clarifying to people,” Beck said. “Your stance is, ‘I do not recognize these lands to be federal … I am staking out my claim that the United States government does not have any jurisdiction, and any rights to the land that [I am] now grazing on.’”

“That’s right,” Bundy said. “It’s Nevada land.”

Bundy said he has “no contract with the United States government,” and the federal government has “no jurisdiction or authority” on his grazing rights, water rights, access rights, ranch improvement rights or anything else that “belongs to ‘we the people’ of Clark County.”

The rancher took his argument back to the 19th century, when Nevada became a state. According to him, the federal government did, in fact, control the land when Nevada was a territory. But, he claimed, when the territory became a state, the government turned that land over to the sovereignty of the state of Nevada, and thus the federal government lacks the power to control it today.

News Article link here

I am getting the feeling he is a "secessionist" type...LOL

Increasingly looks like he's another one of those freeman/sovereign citizen/flag fringe scammers.

 

[OCGuy]

Let's first find out what are you talking about, shall we?

What I am talking about is falling into the trap of fringe websites/blogs that are for entertainment purposes 99% of the time. "Infowars" happened to be in the right place at the right time on Saturday and was a huge part of that historic day, but that was an outlier.

Maybe you are young, which is who those blogs target. The only way they can differentiate themselves enough to get viewers is to out-do the other guy in the yellow journalism/incitement/hyperbole department. Despite what people say, those showman are very intelligent, and know exactly what to say to get people emotional.

If you brought us a sunny weather forecast with the same source as your post I quoted, most people would sprint to their closet for an umbrella. Point being, on this issue, the anti-2A crowd will point to the fringe unsubstantiated stuff in order to marginalize and distract from those who are making points they cannot counter.

 

[thraashman]

You and your ilk only shriek racism if the thug is question is black.

Yet you choose not to participate when I am vehemently defending someone darker than burnt umber. Or if I am railing on a thug who happens to be ivory. It just doesn't fit your agenda, does it?

So when you're referring to black people not actually doing anything illegal (like listening to loud music), they're "thugs". Yet when it's a bunch of white people illegally pointing firearms at federal agents, they're "patriots". No, you're not racist at all...

 

[OCGuy]

So when you're referring to black people, they're "thugs". Yet when it's a bunch of white people illegally pointing firearms at federal agents, they're "patriots".

The crowd on the ground wasn't doing anything illegal. There were a couple over-watch positions, but The BLM soldiers were the ones verbally threatening to shoot and aiming at civilians.

 

[TerryMathews]

Its also a very far cry from reality........

Maybe so however how many people knew the Feds owned 76% of Nevada before this broke? Its just not how things work especially on the East coast.

 

[Jaskalas]

No way this is over because the core issue is not addressed. From the government's standpoint, no way can it allow people to decide that the government is not living up to its obligations which relieves them of their obligation to pay fees or taxes. From the ranchers' side, no way can they continue paying grazing fees to a BLM which uses those fees not for them as originally agreed but against them. I don't see how this conflict gets resolved.

Judge Napolitano
“The government’s option is to take the amount of money he owes them and docket it, that is file the lien on his property….the federal government could have done that, instead they wanted this show of force,”

 

[TerryMathews]

Judge Napolitano
“The government’s option is to take the amount of money he owes them and docket it, that is file the lien on his property….the federal government could have done that, instead they wanted this show of force,”

Not only can they lien his property but they can also garnish his farm income. In this day and age, it would be extraordinary difficult to sell cattle on that scale on a cash only basis.

 

[OCGuy]

Not only can they lien his property but they can also garnish his farm income. In this day and age, it would be extraordinary difficult to sell cattle on that scale on a cash only basis.

Whaaaat? But then there is no mass slaughter of Americans. What are you trying to do here?