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Nevada Ranch Armed Standoff - Everyone vs The Feds

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Vic said:
Raising cattle is a for-profit business. Why should Bundy be allowed to graze his cattle for free when all his competitors have to pay?
Now if he wanted to buy the land at fair market value, I'd be all for that (even though the feds aren't selling), but he doesn't want to do that either.
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LOL! You think that this guy wants to be on the same level playing field as everyone else? Of course not. He has depended on privilege for years and thinks that he can keep it in 2014.
 
OutHouse said:
so why is the BLM killing thousands of tortoises? are they endangered or not? im thinking not

link to story from 2013

http://www.kingsnake.com/blog/archi...ts-conservation-center-runs-out-of-money.html

BLM to kill hundreds of desert tortoises as its conservation center runs out of money
By kingsnake.com
Sun, August 25 2013 at 17:45
The U.S. Bureau of Land Management announced it will kill hundreds of threatened desert tortoises it's been caring for at a Nevada conservation facility. The slaughter is being blamed on a lack of funds by the agency.

Real estate developers in southern Nevada who wanted to disrupt the habitat of threatened desert tortoises to build their little enclaves of air conditioning and irrigation in the arid suburbs of Las Vegas have been able to do so -- for a fee. And while at the height of the real estate boom those fees went a long way toward providing refuge for displaced tortoises, the real estate bust has seen the program implode.

From the Washington Post:
Federal funds are running out at the Desert Tortoise Conservation Center and officials plan to close the site and euthanize hundreds of the tortoises they’ve been caring for since the animals were added to the endangered species list in 1990.

“It’s the lesser of two evils, but it’s still evil,” said U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service desert tortoise recovery coordinator Roy Averill-Murray during a visit to the soon-to-be-shuttered reserve at the southern edge of the Las Vegas Valley last week.
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Holy fuck. There is no better symbol of the federal government's institutional stupidity than the BLM. Which still doesn't make this man right.

In a more sane world, they would allow him to continue grazing his cattle there as long as he boards these death row turtles and grows their population.

Stewox said:
Here we go guys, been doing stuff so im kind of late, it's been up over 20 mins ... but bombshell!

Can't wait for the broadcast to get on youtube, will take hours, but still wait till you see that.

So here's a written article, but it's much more fun watching it as it's more detailed than the article, and if you don't read it completely and think about it might not sound a big deal, but it is a big deal.

Breaking: Sen. Harry Reid Behind BLM Land Grab of Bundy Ranch

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Harry Reid connected with Chinese government over solar plants and high-powered electrical cables appears to be the why the govt is fighting to get this land.



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The documents also mention "CLIVEN BUNDY" by his name directly ... check-mate.


The story went up like 30 minutes ago and drudge picked it up in mere 5-10 minutes, there's the quote from the article congratulating druge, the docs are out!
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Makes me wonder if after this deal is done, Mr. Reid will suddenly remember that he owns this piece of land too.
 
madoka said:
Follow the money trail. Harry Reid is in business with a Chinese company to build a $5 billion solar farm and needs the land.

http://danaloeschradio.com/the-real-story-of-the-bundy-ranch/#sthash.WP5as3M9.dpuf

By now you’re familiar with the standoff between the federal government, i.e. the Bureau of Land Management, and 67 year-old rancher Cliven Bundy. (If not, check the backstory and my radio interview with him here.) The BLM asserts their power through the expressed desire to protect the endangered desert tortoise, a tortoise so “endangered” that their population can no longer be contained by the refuge constructed for them so the government is closing it and euthanizing over a thousand tortoises. The tortoises, the excuse that BLM has given for violating claims to easements and running all but one lone rancher out of southern Nevada, is doing fine. In fact, the tortoise has lived in harmony with cattle in the Gold Butte, Clark County Nevada for over a hundred years, or as long as Cliven Bundy’s family has lived on the land as ranchers. In fact, the real threat to it is urbanization, not cattle.

A tortoise isn’t the reason why BLM is harassing a 67 year-old rancher. They want his land. The tortoise wasn’t of concern when Harry Reid worked BLM to literally change the boundaries of the tortoise’s habitat to accommodate the development of his top donor, Harvey Whittemore. Whittemore was convicted of illegal campaign contributions to Senator Reid. Reid’s former senior adviser is now the head of BLM. Reid is accused of using the new BLM chief as a puppet to control Nevada land (already over 84% of which is owned by the federal government) and pay back special interests. BLM has proven that they’ve a situational concern for the desert tortoise as they’ve had no problem waiving their rules concerning wind or solar power development. Clearly these developments have vastly affected a tortoise habitat more than a century-old, quasi-homesteading grazing area. If only Clive Bundy were a big Reid donor.
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It isn't his land, why can't you people comprehend this.
 
Well I fallen asleep and forgot to post the video of the latest Harry Reid China connection news story.

For all those who didn't understand the article, this may show how they got to it, detailed in this video, I was talking about, the news broke live on-air:

Video: Harry Reid behind Bundy Ranch Takeover ?!?! - AJShow Special

Even if you think it's crazy, worth to watch it, it should be funny at least when they realize something big live on-air, moments like these are rare.
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UPDATE:

Video: Information Officer Confronted - Won't answer


Also people, now that the mainstream media is more involved, I just warn you to doublecheck what you're listening to is not their spin, to some guys it's been crazy since beginning, simply because the waters weren't rough, you got real news, doesn't happen many times, but when it does, it's interesting.

Again, see how fox news already wanted to get others to stop filming around ranch: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0e506pBUaI

Wreckem said:
Ummm. What is it with right wingers. First they say current administration is against drilling on federal land and now they say they are forcing a rancher off the govts land because they want to drill for oil?

The reality is(at least these days), the US doesn't issue that many permits to drill for oil on federal land(excluding Alaska and the outter continental shelf). And most of this land is under previous orders. The land in question is clearly being completely, totally, and permanently withdrawn from use.

The armed response was because of the 20 years of non compliance and direct threats against the BLM if they were to enforce any of the THREE VALID COURT ORDERS calling for the removal of all of Bundy's cattle and property from the area. For people bitching about the show of force, what do you expect. The guy and his family have said they had a bunch of weapons and would use any means necessary to stop the BLM from enforcing a VALID COURT ORDER(the 3rd since 1998). If anything the BLM has been more than overly accommodating and have tried to resolve this issue. At a certain point what do you expect them to do? The reality of the situation is, the guy, his family, and his cattle should have been ejected from the land 16 years ago.
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Man I'm not saying that in your last reply to me, that's what they(bundy) are saying it and can't know the whole story, but there's no way they are doing this without a good freaking reason.

About this quote above, you wonder about their (blm) actions, well, I heard, that the tactic is that when the BLM takes over land, it then sells it to the oil/gas or whatever companies or leases it, and millions of dollars are exchanged, so it's lucrative, but I don't know the whole detailed process because it's still a fresh story, running around trying to cover everything, and I don't say what I am not certain of. And besides, I don't like to make conclusions too early.





Fern said:
Read more at: http://www.heavy.com/news/2014/04/cliven-bundy-ranch-standoff-police-videos/

That sounds shady to me.

The environmentalists have railed against ranchers and animal grazing for a long time. Looks like the BLM has been used to run all but him out of the business.

I don't think the BLM should be able to unilaterally decide to tax, or otherwise charge, the ranchers. Seems to me that should be up to Congress.

Also, I can't reconcile the amount he is claimed to own. I'm seeing grazing fees at $1.35 per moth (I think?) per cow (a calf would be included as well).

At 1,000 head, and assuming no calves which is not possible, I'm getting about $16k a year. The $1.1 million works out to about $55k per yr. If the rest is interest and penalties that's damn steep.

At this point I think it can simply be viewed as the govt deciding to run people out-of-business and this one guy decided he isn't to go quietly. If his family has been there ranching on that land for 140 and suddenly the BLM decides to run them out business by suddenly creating a tax/fee that's wrong IMO.

It's not much different that some abusive eminent domain cases, except he's not being compensated for the loss.

Fern
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Yes, there have been others who didn't stand up as strong as he did, and you never heard stories about that, it's all connected to the UNESCO stuff about environmentalism, it's the fake excuse tactic, because it's hidden under these terms purposelly to dupe you all into thinking "how dare this rancher keeps those grazing cattles like that, oh may gawd"

http://youtu.be/lpnFG4mfWo4?t=3m8s


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I know it sounds crazy to some guys here but what do you think UN "heritage area" is, they have many of those around the world, do they really care about the cattle, come on.

It's not anything new, there's a whole film about it that's about 15 years old now http://youtu.be/XcewpiMs1HU?t=31m52s

As for the following posts of yours, I also don't fully know in a way that I could say it myself, there's a trick definitely, they present their case as grazing fee issue, and evironmental issue, and the federal court just goes along with it.

I may also add this, about the terms, it's not a joke, they use these to hide under them:

Yet it's done in the name of equity, economic prosperity, and ecological integrity. Globalism is sold to the unsuspecting public with words like free trade, open borders, and environmental protection, but it's really about redistribution of wealth; your wealth.

It's about erasing national borders and national sovereignty. And it's about top-down control, not necessarily by elected officials, but by special interests called Non-governmental organizations (NGOs), which are only sanctioned by the United Nations
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http://www.vlrc.org/articles/11.html

"Sustainability" is a big globalist/UN takeover term also to watch for. http://youtu.be/XcewpiMs1HU?t=41m38s

EDIT: Well now I found a whole film about it http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9GykzQWlXJs

http://www.slideshare.net/kynize/understanding-sustainable-development-agenda-21-13572937
 
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Here are all the docs and old articles from the Harry Reid China connection story:

http://www.thenewamerican.com/tech/energy/item/12730-harry-reid-bolsters-son%E2%80%99s-interests-in-chinese-solar-plant-deal
http://bayfiles.net/file/1bF68/VM7v8J/BLM-FAQs_Oct2012.pdf
http://bayfiles.net/file/1bF6g/xU8XZx/BLM-TN_444.pdf
http://bayfiles.net/file/1bFf8/87XHzk/Cattle_Trespass_Issue_BLM.rar
http://www.infowars.com/before-neva...m-was-euthanizing-endangered-desert-tortoise/
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/08/31/us-usa-china-reid-solar-idUSBRE87U06D20120831


Update #2: ENN Energy Group describes itself as a “privately-owned clean energy distributor in China.” However, as the People’s Republic of China is a single-party state governed by the Communist Party, all large companies in China, one way or the other, are either controlled or are heavily influenced by the Chinese government.



Abraxas said:
Wake me at page 40. By then we should know if the real culprits are the Illuminati, the Free Masons, or the Jews and if they did it from a grassy knoll.
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I said it's similarly to a UN formula, taking land in the name of "environmental protection" but then the BLM kills half of the "tresspassing" cattle and turtles.

I never said UN is directly involved.

Here's an example of this "sustainability" thing ... http://youtu.be/XcewpiMs1HU?t=41m38s ; i just mentioned this stuff as a side issue.
 
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brycejones said:
Oh more alex jones BS.

Stewox how much shit have you bought from that shyster?
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Alex Jones is akin to Al Sharpton when it comes to verbal diarrhea. Everything is always a conspiracy to Alex Jones if it gets people worked up to line his pockets with clicks and hits, just like that other attention whore Drudge.


They say anything and everything, true or untrue, to game fame and wealth from the attention of stupid folk.

Perez Hilton is yet another example of this type of phenomenon.


I blame overpopulation for all this hysteria. :colbert:
 
Bundy is going about this all wrong.

Since the cattle are trespassing on government land, the obvious solution is to declare them
illegal cattle immigrants.

Then all the federal agents will be forced to withdraw since they aren't allowed to do anything about illegals.
 
Update:

BLM gathering point: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNEFcji4yP8
Infrastructure being removed: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofCx10VRCMk
BLM Teleconference Call - IW: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bj0ehaxC98
Former Rancher: http://youtu.be/5Z6u8Tt5lV8?t=8s
HealthRanger explains CNN lies: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhKIddR_x8U

Other talkers:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gdcSOruYcvQ



Meanwhile in Kingman, Arizona: Just below over the border from Bundy Ranch.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muE8ECGrOn4


FelixDeCat said:
Alex Jones is akin to Al Sharpton when it comes to verbal diarrhea. Everything is always a conspiracy to Alex Jones if it gets people worked up to line his pockets with clicks and hits, just like that other attention whore Drudge.

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See what Alex thinks about Al Sharpton. Totally opposite people.

https://www.youtube.com/user/TheAlexJonesChannel/search?query=sharpton
 
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tynopik said:
Bundy is going about this all wrong.

Since the cattle are trespassing on government land, the obvious solution is to declare them
illegal cattle immigrants.

Then all the federal agents will be forced to withdraw since they aren't allowed to do anything about illegals.
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The cows are just doing the jobs white people don't want to do.
 
BLM ends Bundy cattle roundup, citing safety issues

They made the right decision not to escalate and to give the situation time to calm down. However, the fight isn't over until the Federal Government no longer has a part in this. They just want to crowds to disperse before they make their next move.

86% of Nevada should not belong to BLM. The people of Nevada have the inherent right of ownership and any contradiction to that is a severe violation of civil rights. The campaign to restore ownership of land to the States must be picked up and championed by a political parties.

The call must be heard in Washington, to give the people back their land.
 
Jaskalas said:
BLM ends Bundy cattle roundup, citing safety issues

They made the right decision not to escalate and to give the situation time to calm down. However, the fight isn't over until the Federal Government no longer has a part in this. They just want to crowds to disperse before they make their next move.

86% of Nevada should not belong to BLM. The people of Nevada have the inherent right of ownership and any contradiction to that is a severe violation of civil rights. The campaign to restore ownership of land to the States must be picked up and championed by a political parties.

The call must be heard in Washington, to give the people back their land.
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Why, it isn't their fucking land.

If they want it, they can buy it.
 
Jaskalas said:
BLM ends Bundy cattle roundup, citing safety issues

They made the right decision not to escalate and to give the situation time to calm down. However, the fight isn't over until the Federal Government no longer has a part in this. They just want to crowds to disperse before they make their next move.

86% of Nevada should not belong to BLM. The people of Nevada have the inherent right of ownership and any contradiction to that is a severe violation of civil rights. The campaign to restore ownership of land to the States must be picked up and championed by a political parties.

The call must be heard in Washington, to give the people back their land.
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It was literally never nevada's land. Like, ever.

So long as you support the theft of land from the rest of is I guess that means that we should be able to steal things from you?

Everyone should be united against this freeloading thief. He is stealing from is all and then threatening violence against those who try and stop him. It's disgusting.
 
If I buy a cowboy hat will ya'll help me help myself to all the gold in Ft. Knox? I feel like it's my gold and that makes it mine by right.
 
FelixDeCat said:
Yeah! And while they are at it, I want to build a McMansion in Yellowstone. Give me back my land!! :ninja:
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Your attack on States is disgusting. To presume they cannot preserve land, or that 86% of them must be Federally owned. People have a right to self determination and you stand to oppose those rights.
 
Jaskalas said:
The campaign to restore ownership of land to the States must be picked up and championed by a political parties.

The call must be heard in Washington, to give the people back their land.
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Restore? Give back? When is it exactly that you think it belonged to the state of Nevada, rather than the government of the United States? If you're going to get snippy about actual ownership and property rights, I assume you're all for kicking out the white people and giving it all back to the Native Americans?
 
Jaskalas said:
Your attack on States is disgusting. To presume they cannot preserve land, or that 86% of them must be Federally owned. People have a right to self determination and you stand to oppose those rights.
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Look, you just made up a right! The fact that the right you just created in your head violates the rights of all other Americans is of no consequence.
 
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