3chordcharlie
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In other 'ratings' evolution is being decimated by 'young earth creationism'.
Just because you're wrong doesn't mean you'll lose.
PJABBER
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I am rushing off to the Euronight party at the French Embassy this evening, but I wanted to make one more point about cable news before I left -
While I generally stick to CNBC, RUTV, Al Jazeera (just kidding!!) and other financial news, I watched my second ever Glen Beck Show on Fox today.
I heard he was a clown, a histrionic entertainer. And he might be. Like Obama, I wasn't listening when he was going off with the wild stuff. :laugh:
Today he gave an extraordinary lecture on the tie in of the old radical left to the current Administration. Who influences those in power. Who put them there. Where do they want to go.
I have never seen a more cogent or clear description.
Whether you claim to be of the left or the right, you should watch this segment and judge for yourself. It only runs about 19 minutes.
The One Thing
You may attack Fox and guys like Beck, but when have you ever seen an intelligent and detailed discussion of this type on Fox's competitors?
The ratings show that the great majority of cable news viewers are trusting Fox to deliver the truth. After watching their competition first, I can see why.
While I generally stick to CNBC, RUTV, Al Jazeera (just kidding!!) and other financial news, I watched my second ever Glen Beck Show on Fox today.
I heard he was a clown, a histrionic entertainer. And he might be. Like Obama, I wasn't listening when he was going off with the wild stuff. :laugh:
Today he gave an extraordinary lecture on the tie in of the old radical left to the current Administration. Who influences those in power. Who put them there. Where do they want to go.
I have never seen a more cogent or clear description.
Whether you claim to be of the left or the right, you should watch this segment and judge for yourself. It only runs about 19 minutes.
The One Thing
You may attack Fox and guys like Beck, but when have you ever seen an intelligent and detailed discussion of this type on Fox's competitors?
The ratings show that the great majority of cable news viewers are trusting Fox to deliver the truth. After watching their competition first, I can see why.
CallMeJoe
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Admitted that Mr. Beck is not batshit crazy all the time, and he is capable of presenting a coherent argument when he's not kowtowing to the dregs of the "Conservative" movement.
I would, however, argue that its viewers turn to FoxNews for validation and entertainment, not for factual presentation of the news.
PJABBER
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Another demonstration that the liberal posters on this site take no time to understand the nature and the quality of their opposition. They never watch anything but their own propaganda and then they are blind sided by another smack upside the head.
Just because you can't stand what your opponents are saying does not mean that someone else is not paying rapt attention. How can you counter an argument and a presentation that you bury your head in sand to avoid? You have left the battlefield to your enemy without engagement.
This was only the second segment of the Glen Beck Show that I ever watched. If the quality of the rest of his daily prime time lectures are as good, you are toast because you have no way to counter what he says.
And he says a lot in this 19 minute piece.
He says the ideological basis of the current Administration is derived from the radical Weathermen that were, and likely remain, bomb throwing revolutionaries. He provides clear linkages to intimates of the Obama Administration. He demonstrates the dual approaches (from within and without) for the destruction of the country are in play with organizations such as ACORN, SEIU and the Apollo Group. He shows how these groups are writing national policy on health care and the economic stimulus expenditures.
And he does so in a rational and illustrative way that I guarantee you sways people.
You can't be bothered to watch him do it in just 19 minutes, much less rebut his arguments.
Smart, real smart.
Annnnnnnd out comes the crazy! Intelligent and detailed discussion? That linkage he put together barely qualifies to be put on a sandwich board and run around town by a guy who hasn't showered in days.
If you honestly believe that what Beck did there is some sort of excellent and cogent argument, I don't even know how to help you because you seem to be unable to parse and evaluate rational thought. (or are just trolling)
The real reason Beck can't be engaged isn't because his arguments are so powerful, it's because there's no way to rationally discuss these issues with a crazy person. If I tell you that moon lasers are controlling my thoughts, exactly how do you propose to disprove this notion?
Beck lied about the number of tea bagging protesters in Washington DC. His network lied about the other network's coverage. I think that's about all we need to know about FNC and Glenn Beck. And yet you have folks like PJabber repeating the lies and wondering what the problem is because FNC has tons of viewers.
All of the cogent arguments in the world are undone when you start lying.
What I also think is funny is that people on the right think they are 'winning'. While it certainly seems like they will lose less on health care than they might have otherwise, the odds are still extremely good that Obama will pass a health care bill that he likes. Then comes energy, and immigration, and so many other things. They have confused distraction and news cycle craziness for actual electoral and policy victory. If you look at the 2008 campaign, John McCain made the exact same mistake, and look how that turned out... a slaughter.
PJABBER
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Seriously, I keep waiting for a detailed rebuttal instead of an ad hominem attack. I really am. You are not offering one. And neither is any other lefty poster here.
If I were on your side I would draw up the same chart that Beck does and then proceed to dismantle the connections he makes with verifiable counter arguments. That is the way it is done, folks.
Instead, you rely on personal insults that reinforce your lack of counter argument.
Are you ceding the argument to Beck and his ilk? Are you admitting the guy got it right?
Not everyone is a true blind believer like you are. And your lack of substance is bound to reflect a diminishing voice because guys like Beck are not going to just go away and leave you to your personal fantasy world.
Schmide
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I've watched a whole Glenn Beck show. You apparently did not understand what I said. His nature is very clear in that one sentence.
To always tell the truth as I understand it.
There is a clear distinction between reporting and telling, as there is a difference between telling the truth and reporting the facts. He never admits when he's wrong and very few conservatives do. He must be right at any cost, just like Bush. If you can find one clip on the internet where Glenn Beck admits he was wrong. I'll watch the whole clip.
I do the opposite, I get the news from many sources. Including newspapers. I understand the difference between opinions and reporting.
Translation He rants, drops buzzwords, draws conclusions without backing them up. Only an irrational individual would see this as rational. I pity you.
I'll be waiting for the clip.
No, that's not the way it works. He has failed to provide a credible argument to begin with. The burden of proof is on the accuser and his 'proof' would be laughed out of any legitimate debate. In reality where we live vague insinuation and guilt by association is not actually proof of anything. Glenn Beck has failed even the most elementary standards of proof for anything that he said in that piece. Honestly, he would fail a high school history project with what he said. How would I even attack an argument with no facts in it? You don't have to dismantle his connections when he hasn't made any verifiable connections to begin with... and that doesn't even get into his poor grasp of history.
This is why I said it was akin to arguing with someone about moon based mind control lasers. Just like this, if someone believes in it as you apparently do, you can't convince them otherwise because they never needed any facts to be convinced in the first place. This is sandwich board material, and if you honestly believe it you're a fool... and I already know there would be nothing I could say to convince you otherwise. Your opinion simply isn't based in reality as the rest of us understand it.
PJABBER
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I don' t have to agree with Beck or believe what he says to understand that this guy is making very powerful statements and drawing disturbing conclusions that many will find compelling.
I happen to have an interest in persuasive argument, not just the substance, but the form as well.
You "believe" he is wrong. You "know" he speaks falsehood. But you provide nothing, absolutely nothing to refute him.
You challenge me as though I am Beck, but I am just someone like you that posts here for entertainment. Our audience is limited to maybe a group of a hundred regulars.
Beck draws millions of viewers and is gaining, not losing, viewers. These are not stoned kids watching MTV House Party. They are prime demographic viewers that draw supportive advertising dollars. Yet you dismiss this audience as not worthy of consideration.
Your lack of argument is revealing. There is no refutation possible because he has presented valid information and drawn a cogent conclusion. You so much as admit it in the form of your response.
I happen to have an interest in persuasive argument, not just the substance, but the form as well.
You "believe" he is wrong. You "know" he speaks falsehood. But you provide nothing, absolutely nothing to refute him.
You challenge me as though I am Beck, but I am just someone like you that posts here for entertainment. Our audience is limited to maybe a group of a hundred regulars.
Beck draws millions of viewers and is gaining, not losing, viewers. These are not stoned kids watching MTV House Party. They are prime demographic viewers that draw supportive advertising dollars. Yet you dismiss this audience as not worthy of consideration.
Your lack of argument is revealing. There is no refutation possible because he has presented valid information and drawn a cogent conclusion. You so much as admit it in the form of your response.
Again, I don't 'believe' anything. Sorry about that whole 'requiring evidence' thing, you'll find that a lot of the rest of the world is just as irritating as I am about it. His argument meets no standard of evidence that I am aware of. You yourself admit it because you've had to retreat to his argument being somehow worthwhile because of the 'form'. You're more than welcome to believe anything that reinforces what you already want to believe. It's foolish, but it's your right. I sincerely hope you don't apply this level of credulity to the rest of your life however, because you will be taken to the cleaners.
Responsible adults will continue to rely on the requirement of evidence, not guilt by association and vague insinuation. When Glenn Beck actually backs up his arguments with evidence, I'll be more than happy to engage them. Until he does I'm perfectly content to make fun of him and anyone stupid enough to believe him. The joke's on you.
I love how Glenn Beck playing 'the six degrees of Kevin Bacon' with political names somehow now is the equivalent of an argument that must be refuted.
If that's the mainstream thinking of right wing America, now you know exactly what's wrong with right wing America. They've forgotten these words:
PJABBER
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Unbelievable. 19 minutes of Glen Beck has knocked the lefties here for a complete loop.
BTW, Forbes estimates that Beck is making $23 million a year, "a ballpark figure confirmed by knowledgeable sources." I wonder how much Fox must be making to pay him that kind of salary?
Looking forward to seeing your cogent counter arguments and counter evidence in the next thread addressing the MINORITY REPUBLICAN Report "Is ACORN Intentionally Structured As a Criminal Enterprise?"
BTW, Forbes estimates that Beck is making $23 million a year, "a ballpark figure confirmed by knowledgeable sources." I wonder how much Fox must be making to pay him that kind of salary?
Looking forward to seeing your cogent counter arguments and counter evidence in the next thread addressing the MINORITY REPUBLICAN Report "Is ACORN Intentionally Structured As a Criminal Enterprise?"
19 minutes, my ass! Try nine YEARS since your mercifully EX-Traitor In Chief and his criminal cabal of traitors, murderers, torturers, war criminals, war profiteers and general incompetents hijacked the nation into a war of LIES in Iraq, shredded our once honored, once valued U.S. Constitution, committed horrendous acts of torture and other war crimes and crimes against humanity and, tanked the economy along the way. :thumbsdown: :|
And what orgnization led the media charge? Could it be Rupert Murdoch, including Faux, Glenn Beck and the rest of their liars? :shocked:
Their revenues don't make their bullshit anymore true, but now, you know the motivation for their lies. :roll:
As soon as you make or link to a coherent argument, I'll be sure to rebut it. All you're trying to do now is troll, it's pretty transparent. I guess there's a small chance you aren't, but in that case I just feel sorry for you.
Glenn Beck may have raped and murdered a young girl in 1990.
http://glennbeckrapedandmurderedayounggirlin1990.com/
Why is this rapist and murderer allowed on TV?
http://glennbeckrapedandmurderedayounggirlin1990.com/
Why is this rapist and murderer allowed on TV?
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