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Networking newbie needs NIC

Muse

Lifer
Going to a computer show next weekend and I've seen ethernet cards selling for $10 or thereabouts and wonder what the ins and outs are with these. I have an old Kingston in my main system that Win2k sees as an Intel 21143, and it seems to work OK. I need a card for my other system which I'm probably going to hook up to a DSL router at some point so I can share my DSL with the two systems. Can I get any old card and be certain I'll be OK? Thanks for any tips and/or recommendations.
 
I would take the $5 rip off show admision, combine it with your $10 and buy a $15 linksys or dlink card from BB, Compusa, or online

 
3Com makes some of the most compliant/compatible (*nix) cards, but any major manufacturer will do. Look for Linksys, Realtek, D-link, etc. Just make sure it's 10/100 + PCI.🙂
 
Originally posted by: Gunbuster
I would take the $5 rip off show admision, combine it with your $10 and buy a $15 linksys or dlink card from BB, Compusa, or online
These shows are free if you have a coupon and they send me coupons every time. I'll keep my eyes open for Linksys, D-Link and Realtek. Any other recommendations? BTW, tips on good router very welcome. I saw the D-Link DI-704p at the last show and I printed out a $20 rebate coupon from the Web but I've seen a lot of posts from people who had serious issues with this router and couldn't get decent support from D-Link, who contract out their tech support to a 3rd party. They don't make timely firmware upgrades, apparently. So Linksys sounds better but the 704-p's print server support seems like a nice feature. Well, you can't have everything. I've never touched a router in my life (OK, I opened the box at the computer show), so I'm a newbie like I say. Oh, I have a question: do all the routers use wall warts? The one that comes with the DI-704p says it draws 1/2 amp. I figure that means it'll be drawing ~60 watts (maybe 40 w?) 24/7. Thanks for help.
 
My first choice is always 3Com, then Intel, if I can't find either I go somewhere else to shop.
I prefer 3Com more out of habit though, have a whole load, and we use loads of them at work as well, though Intel is just as good.
 
Generally speaking, any NIC and router should do you.

If you want performance and reliability, you may wish to stick with a name brand. Choose a brand that you trust.
 
Originally posted by: japetto
3Com makes some of the most compliant/compatible (*nix) cards, but any major manufacturer will do. Look for Linksys, Realtek, D-link, etc. Just make sure it's 10/100 + PCI.🙂
Today was the computer show and I walked all over looking for PCI 10/100 NICs. Several were "no-name" cards but one had a handwritten note on it saying Realtek, $5.99. The box said "Dolphin", though. I asked them and they said it had a Realtek chipset. I figured that this would work like a Realtek, if my Kingston NIC is any indication. It has an Intel 21143 chipset and Windows 2000 recognizes it an an Intel 21143 and it seems to work just fine. No need to install a driver, in fact. The Dolphin comes with a driver diskette and some instructions that look completely generic and they are probably for any NIC with the chipset, which says RTL8139C. I figure it's worth a try for the $6. Says it supports PCI 2.0. Is there a problem that it wouldn't support PCI 2.1? It also says in the instructions that it will support PCI 2.x. Don't know what this might mean. I figure I'll slip it in my main system first, swapping it for the Kingston card and see what happens.

 
my prefs:

netgear network card (although Office Max occasionaly has DLink cards for $5!! i stock up about every 3 months hehe)

linksys router
 
Originally posted by: crazychicken
my prefs:

netgear network card (although Office Max occasionaly has DLink cards for $5!! i stock up about every 3 months hehe)

linksys router
Yeah, I saw that Office Max has a rebate offer for a D-Link NIC, result = $5. I decided to see what I could come up with at the show and forgot about the Office Max deal. Site with rebate info. I installed the "Dolphin" card and Win2000 saw it and said it was working fine but I didn't have a connection. Like I say, I'm a newwork newbie and I didn't realize that after installing a new NIC you have to reset your connection parameters - IP, gateway, preferred and secondary DNS. After I realized that I got it working pronto. Win2000 warns me that having two NICs with the same parameters is a potential problem, that is if you have both installed at the same time. I sure don't plan on doing that... I guess unless they are set up for different connections. I guess that's the way it works, right guys?

Before I installed the new card I tested my Kingston. I don't know if this is a smart test or if it really tests anything but here's what I did. I have a PC Anywhere connection to a network and I downloaded 335 MB transfered in 6:57 (that's 7 minutes). I think that's pretty quick. I am about to see how long it takes with the Dolphin. The Kingston card looks more complex - is twice as big and has a lot more components. I know that doesn't prove anything - my first two soundcards (Media Vision PAS 16 and Logitech Soundman Wave) make my new one (Hercules GTXP) look tiny, but they are total junk next to the Hercules card.

 
Intel NICs have shown time and time again to have some of the lowest CPU utilization, hands down. I love 3C509's and 905's for compatability, but for all my personal networks, Intel is it.

DC
 
I don't bother about which NIC to use. Two of my systems are using the onboard LAN that comes with the ECS K7S5A mobo.

One imprtant tip for a NIC newbie though (and maybe a few others of you) , set it to FULL duplex mode to get max throughput.

In WinXp that's: right click My Network, select Properties,right click local area connection, select properties, click on configure, go to advanced, and set VALUE to FULL DUPLEX.

Hey Gunbuster, those comp shows are worth the $5 price of admission. Sometimes it's more fun than going to a movie. Wish those shows were free out here in New York. The coupn only gets us $1 off ($6>$5).
 
Originally posted by: Slogun
I don't bother about which NIC to use. Two of my systems are using the onboard LAN that comes with the ECS K7S5A mobo.

One imprtant tip for a NIC newbie though (and maybe a few others of you) , set it to FULL duplex mode to get max throughput.

In WinXp that's: right click My Network, select Properties,right click local area connection, select properties, click on configure, go to advanced, and set VALUE to FULL DUPLEX.

Hey Gunbuster, those comp shows are worth the $5 price of admission. Sometimes it's more fun than going to a movie. Wish those shows were free out here in New York. The coupn only gets us $1 off ($6>$5).
Lately I have been going to all the computer shows but I get in phases where I don't. What I have discovered (My thinking, OK?) is that they have a few real deals but most of it is decidedly not. It's real nice, though, to get to feast your eyes on a lot of stuff if nothing else for the ideas. Out here in the S.F. Bay Area most of the stuff you see can be gotten a lot cheaper somewhere else, on line for instance, and it's not hard to find stuff with the search engines. Also at the shows I have noticed that a lot of the time they are (my view, again) trying to sell old stuff, almost legacy stuff in a lot of cases. They usually do not feature the latest but want you to buy something that's going out, something that a person in the know wouldn't touch. Believe me, it's true, so beware. Mostly the prices are NOT good. Some stuff, selective stuff, you can get at good prices and sometimes things that are hard to find elsewhere. Just sometimes, though. The shows were free for a while, IIRC. Then they started the admission thing, had coupons sometimes published in computer rags. Then they started registering people and sending coupons. For a little while you still had to pay $3 or so. Then it seems like they started keeping a database and if they didn't have records of your attendance for X number of months, they would send you a special FREE coupon. This kept up for a couple years, maybe. Nowadays, they send FREE coupons regardless. I think it's mainly to keep out the riff raff - anyone who has the ability and inclination to print out and clip a coupon isn't apt to be a shoplifter.

As far as setting to Full Duplex - I have that choice but the default was some kind of Auto for both my cards, the Intel and Realtek, so I left it there. Should I set it to Full Duplex?

On the Realtek the choices are:

Auto Mode
10 Full Mode
10 Half Mode
100 Full Mode
100 Half Mode

The Intel has a lot more choices but the default is an auto configure mode.
 
My understanding is that if you do any online gaming, you should do the full duplex rather than auto to make it as speedy as possible.
 
In theory full duplex can send 100megabit in both directions at the same time

Unless you are running a server very few situations will make use of that, I would just stick with auto select
 
Originally posted by: Muse
Originally posted by: Gunbuster
BTW, tips on good router very welcome. I saw the D-Link DI-704p at the last show and I printed out a $20 rebate coupon from the Web but I've seen a lot of posts from people who had serious issues with this router and couldn't get decent support from D-Link, who contract out their tech support to a 3rd party. They don't make timely firmware upgrades, apparently. q]

704 was replaced by 804 which I have had for a year or so - they were fresh out when I got mine. Not long after it came out there was a firmware revision which I upgraded to quite easily. I contacted their tech support with a question at that time and they responded fairly promptly. The router has been a no-brainer and performed flawlessly - it was particularly easy to set up and run.
 
Originally posted by: azkiwi
Originally posted by: Muse
Originally posted by: Gunbuster
BTW, tips on good router very welcome. I saw the D-Link DI-704p at the last show and I printed out a $20 rebate coupon from the Web but I've seen a lot of posts from people who had serious issues with this router and couldn't get decent support from D-Link, who contract out their tech support to a 3rd party. They don't make timely firmware upgrades, apparently. q]

704 was replaced by 804 which I have had for a year or so - they were fresh out when I got mine. Not long after it came out there was a firmware revision which I upgraded to quite easily. I contacted their tech support with a question at that time and they responded fairly promptly. The router has been a no-brainer and performed flawlessly - it was particularly easy to set up and run.
I didn't see the 804 at the computer shows. Just the 604 and 704p. Does the 804 also have built in firewall and print server functionality like the 704p?
 
Originally posted by: Gunbuster
In theory full duplex can send 100megabit in both directions at the same time

Unless you are running a server very few situations will make use of that, I would just stick with auto select

No doubt. But, as I said you might as well do it if you're into online gaming, you do want to take advantage of every bit of bandwidth you possibly can.

As a matter of fact I do run a server 🙂
 
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