Network Problem in Win2000!

Rhombuss

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Hey, for anyone who has any ideas or can help me out.

I have 3 comps hooked up, 1 with Win2K professional, and the other two with WinME. I'm setting up the Win2K with an IP of 192.168.0.1, subnet mask 255.255.255.0 with no DNS or WINS entries. With the 2 WinME comps, they're set to 192.168.0.2/192.168.0.3 respectively, both with same subnet mask 255.255.255.0, and DNS and WINS entries of 192.168.0.1 (the Win2K comp). I've already setup the file sharing within the networks and drives (I think), but I have a problem. The Win2K comp can access both the WinME comps, but the WinME computers can't access the Win2K computer. They "see" it in the network, but when I try to access it, it gives me a "no permission to access resources" error. With WinME and Win98, it gave me the option of applying a password to each shared drive or folder, but I can't find that option in Win2K. If anyone has any ideas or can direct me to a site with a very straightforward networking guide, it would be extremely appreciated!

Thanks!
-Rhombuss

EDIT: BTW, if you're wondering - the Workgroup is set to the same name. I'm not using a domain for this network.
 

loosbrew

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i know thismight be menial but...did you make sure that the win2k partition is fat32? winme still cant read ntfs so that would be something to think about.


loooo
 

Rhombuss

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Hmm....I partitioned the Win2K HDD as an NTFS, but I thought WinME and the other 9X formats could access it through the network? I know WinME and 9x can't read NTFS, but doesn't the network translate it?

Thanks,
Rhombuss
 

NT4Mike

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The partition on the W2k machine can be NTFS and your 95/98/ME machines across the network will be able to see the information. The server service on the workstation will translate it for them. 9x/ME boxes cannot read local NTFS partitions.

NT/2k shares files/resources a bit differently from what you are used to with 9x/ME machines. What you need to do is create one or more user accounts on your W2k machine. Let?s call him Bubba just for the sake of having a name. So, in order to create an account for Bubba?

1. Right-click on My Computer and then select ?Manage? from the shortcut menu. This will open up the local computer management console.
2. In the left pane, drill down thru System Tools\Local Users and Groups\Users
3. Once you are there, you will most likely see 2 users there. Administrator and Guest. Administrator is most likely what you are logged in with now and the other is Guest. Guest will most likely be disabled (that?s what the red X indicates.)
4. Right click somewhere in the right pane and select ?New User?
5. Fill in the User Name as Bubba or a name of your choice. You don?t have to fill in the full name if you don?t want to. What you do need to decide is how strong do you want the security on your little home network? The easiest thing to do for the password is just to leave it blank. I will get to why, a little bit later. Don?t forget to remove the little check from the box for ?User must change password at next logon?. You may also want to check the boxes for ?User cannot change password? and ?Password never expires? is you so desire but that is totally up to you.
6. Click the create button and then click Close.

Now you will see that Bubba is listed in the list of users next to Administrator and Guest. You can repeat this procedure as many times as you want for however many users you want or you can just keep it simple with one user. Now, by default, Bubba will only be put into the ?Users? group. If you right-click on Bubba?s user account and select ?Properties? and then hit the ?Member of? tab, you will see Users. You can add him to other groups such as administrator if you wish. Remember that regular users are restricted from doing most things to the machine such as installing local printers, installing software, modifying the registry, etc. So this can be a good thing or a bad thing depending on who will be using your network machines. If you are just using the W2k machine to share the internet connection to a bunch of 9x/ME machines, and maybe share some files and a printer then you can probably leave Bubba as just a plain old user.

OK, still with me?? Good. Now that we have created an account for Bubba, we need to specify what Bubba has access to. To do this, follow these steps?

1. Figure out what folders on your machine you want to share out. Let?s say you want to share out the whole C drive on your W2k machine. This is not a real safe idea if Bubba is not to swift with computers but it will work as an example for this.
2. Open up Windows Explorer and find the C drive.
3. Right Click on the C drive and then select ?sharing? from the shortcut menu.
4. Once the sharing tab comes up, you are going to say to yourself ?Well, Mike you idiot it looks like it is already shared?. Well, the C drive and the Winnt drive have default shares setup. For the C drive it is shared as C$. The $ after the share name means that it is a hidden share and will not show up with people are browsing across the network. What we need to do is create a new share that we want Bubba to be able to see and use on the network.
5. Click on the ?New Share? button at the bottom.
6. In the New Share window, give it a name that you like. You can name it anything you want but try to keep it simple like Shared, Storage, or something easy to remember. You can even place a comment if you so desire but it is not needed.
7. Click on the ?Permissions? button.
8. On the permissions window you will find that Everyone has access to the share that you just created. That means exactly what it says. Everyone has access to this folder whether they be the lowest user or the most powerful admin on your network. On a small home network, and to start off with, Everyone is just fine so just hit OK.
9. Click OK on the sharing tab.

Now comes the part where Bubba is back at his machine and wants to access the folder that you just setup for him to access. When I used to run 9x/ME machines on my home network, the easiest setup I found to be the following.

1. On the 9x/ME machines, configure them to use ?Logon for Microsoft Networking? in the network properties.
2. Log off of the machines and log on using Bubba as the user name and blank password.
3. Once you have logged in as Bubba, you should be able to go thru network neighborhood to find the W2k machine and then you should be able to see the share that you created a while ago in this really long post. You should not be prompted for any login to use the share since you already logged in as Bubba and Bubba has a user account on the W2k box.

If you really want to get crazy with things, you can get TweakUI and configure the 9x/ME boxes to auto login so you don?t have to log on when you reboot your 9x/Me boxes. I never did since, I only rebooted my machines when absolutely necessary so it really didn?t bother me to hit enter to logon to them.

Sharing a printer works pretty much the same way as creating a folder share. Just right click on the printer and select sharing. Give it a name, and then install the drivers on the client machine that will be connecting to it.

Hope this helps.

-Mike

PS, have you thought about joining the Team Anandtech Distributed Computing team? There are lots of people that would be more than happy to help you with your network setup. Check things out here or drop by the Distributed Computing forum. We would be glad to have you on the team!!!
 

Panther505

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I agree with everything that NT4Mike says until #8 snip>

8. On the permissions window you will find that Everyone has access to the share that you just created. That means exactly what it says. Everyone has access to this folder whether they be the lowest user or the most powerful admin on your network. On a small home network, and to start off with, Everyone is just fine so just hit OK.


Here instead of the permissions Tab I use the security tab.. You can add Bubba on the security tab or you can add the User Group that Bubba is a member of. Then you can specify the extent that Bubba has control of the share. You can limit to read only, read write, read write modify, or full control. I find this more convient then the permissions tab because if you construct your security and groups well you can give access very quickly..

This is just a DIFFERENT Method- that accomplishes the same thing(to a degree)
 

Rhombuss

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Wow...Thanks Mike for the lengthy reply :D. I figured out that the only thing I was missing was the users list in the Win2K machine, I guess I was used to 9x networks that didn't require those entries.

Thanks a bunch!
-Rhombuss
 

NT4Mike

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Panther, you are absolutely correct. You have much greater flexiblity when you set permissions via the Security tab. My intentions were to keep this as down and dirty as possible since I find that most home users just want to get things set up so they can share a few files and access the web. Once they get their hands dirty with NT/2k, then they can get all into the fun world of permissions and auditing and such.

You are definately correct tho.

-Mike
 

Panther505

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Mike,

Only reason that I point that out was that if Rhombuss was on a HBwidth connection he would have been giving essentially free access to anyone that could get either his IP or Contact his system on Netbeui.. But your comments were extensive and very easy to follow (Copied in to my archive for cut and paste to other forums- credit given)

Matthew
 

NT4Mike

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Panther,

Thanks for the credit. You bring up an excellent point with your concerns with security over a persistant connection.

Am I correct in gathering from your signature that you have stepped out of the door a couple of times at about 850 AGL? I myself have stepped out the door a couple of times in the middle of the night with more equipment then I care to remember.

Airborne!

-Mike
 

dcdomain

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NT4Mike, Panther505,

Thanks for the awesome posts... I was just browsing and this was the answer to my problems this past semester. Couldn't figure out how to share under Win2k, and never really bothered to ask in the forums, so thanks again.

dc