Netscape & Mozilla going bye-bye

[larciel]

man.. i still have exe file for Netscape 4.7 .. i thought someday i'd run it just for old sake.

but yeah.. after ppl pretty much went to IE.. netscape couldn't see the light anymore..

if the compatibility issue was solved, i'd had used it over IE 😛

 

[larciel]

sorry double 😛

 

[AmigaMan]

Unfortunately I still have to code for Netscape 4 on the webpages I develop. Although most of the hits to our site are some version of IE, those three people who still use NS4 make a pretty loud racket. And my "superiors" would rather waste my time trying to compensate for NS4 than to piss off those three customers.
Why oh why can't we just drop NS4 and IE4 and just go with straight standards compliant browsers. I love the new Mozilla/Firebird/Netscape 7, it's too bad all the lemmings out there just use what comes on their computer.

 

[Nothinman]

if the compatibility issue was solved, i'd had used it over IE

It's a catch-22. Sites have no reason to think about Mozilla when doing the page if noone uses it and noone uses it because sites don't work in it.

Anway that's not really true, I've been IE-free for as long as I can rememeber and pretty much the only page I can think of that requires IE is WindowsUpdate. Mozilla works fine and it's a better, safer browser to use on a day to day basis.

 

[NicColt]

Mozilla works fine and it's a better, safer browser to use on a day to day basis.

I see your still up to your normal FUD packing again. A SAFER browser..... give me a break, let's not open that can of worms again. Have they come around and fixed the outstanding 62,000 bugs since I last checked ?

 

[Nothinman]

How many bugs were left in IE before it's last release? Oh right, you aren't allowed access to MS' bug databases. Find me one Mozilla bug that lets code execution happen.

And just recently there was a new bug in the explorer in XP, creating a malformed desktop.ini file in any directory (local, network, etc) could cause explorer to crash and malicious code to be run and do whatever it wants to your machine. I believe there was also a CHM renderer bug which is basically an IE/MSHTML bug that can cause malicious code to be run by opening a malformed CHM help file.

 

[igowerf]

Originally posted by: NicColt

Mozilla works fine and it's a better, safer browser to use on a day to day basis.

I see your still up to your normal FUD packing again. A SAFER browser..... give me a break, let's not open that can of worms again. Have they come around and fixed the outstanding 62,000 bugs since I last checked ?

Most of those 62,000 bugs are in the bookmark system. 😛

 

[Kev]

Originally posted by: BingBongWongFooey

Originally posted by: EeyoreX
.... IE killed it long ago (thank god, I never liked Netscape in the first place).

... Good riddance to Crapscape.

\Dan

Yeah! That "competition" stuff sure is annoying.

i'd rather have compatibility than competition.

especially when cost isn't even a factor.

 

[Nothinman]

i'd rather have compatibility than competition.

Blame MS, they're the ones always adding unofficial extentions to everything. But either way I havn't found a site that doesn't work in Mozilla in quite some time, I do everything in Mozilla even my banking and it all works fine.

 

[igowerf]

Originally posted by: Nothinman

i'd rather have compatibility than competition.

Blame MS, they're the ones always adding unofficial extentions to everything. But either way I havn't found a site that doesn't work in Mozilla in quite some time, I do everything in Mozilla even my banking and it all works fine.

Those websites that give you a free cupholder dont' work in Mozilla... 😉

 

[43st]

Originally posted by: NicColt

Mozilla works fine and it's a better, safer browser to use on a day to day basis.

I see your still up to your normal FUD packing again. A SAFER browser..... give me a break, let's not open that can of worms again. Have they come around and fixed the outstanding 62,000 bugs since I last checked ?

LOL. Run Ad-aware/Spybot/etc. much?

 

[Wheatmaster]

Long live Mozilla!

 

[Spyro]

Originally posted by: NicColt

Mozilla works fine and it's a better, safer browser to use on a day to day basis.

I see your still up to your normal FUD packing again. A SAFER browser..... give me a break, let's not open that can of worms again. Have they come around and fixed the outstanding 62,000 bugs since I last checked ?

Whose FUD?
62,00 bugs, and I haven't seen three since I've used mozilla......

 

[Barnaby W. Füi]

Originally posted by: Spyro

Originally posted by: NicColt

Mozilla works fine and it's a better, safer browser to use on a day to day basis.

I see your still up to your normal FUD packing again. A SAFER browser..... give me a break, let's not open that can of worms again. Have they come around and fixed the outstanding 62,000 bugs since I last checked ?

Whose FUD?
62,00 bugs, and I haven't seen three since I've used mozilla......

I have 😛

NicColt, first off, a filed bug isn't always a bug. It could be a behavioral thing. It could be a feature request. It could be a number of things -- they just group them all together in bugzilla so they all get referred to as "bugs." Second, there are hundreds or thousands of people looking at mozilla code every day. Bugs are found quickly and the response is much better than that of, say, microsoft. I guess ignorance is bliss, though.

 

[Spyro]

Originally posted by: BingBongWongFooey

Originally posted by: Spyro

Originally posted by: NicColt

Mozilla works fine and it's a better, safer browser to use on a day to day basis.

I see your still up to your normal FUD packing again. A SAFER browser..... give me a break, let's not open that can of worms again. Have they come around and fixed the outstanding 62,000 bugs since I last checked ?

Whose FUD?
62,00 bugs, and I haven't seen three since I've used mozilla......

I have 😛

NicColt, first off, a filed bug isn't always a bug. It could be a behavioral thing. It could be a feature request. It could be a number of things -- they just group them all together in bugzilla so they all get referred to as "bugs." Second, there are hundreds or thousands of people looking at mozilla code every day. Bugs are found quickly and the response is much better than that of, say, microsoft. I guess ignorance is bliss, though.

I think you missed it. I have seen three, but I haven't seen three. Got that? 🙂

 

[Nothinman]

NicColt, first off, a filed bug isn't always a bug. It could be a behavioral thing. It could be a feature request. It could be a number of things -- they just group them all together in bugzilla so they all get referred to as "bugs." Second, there are hundreds or thousands of people looking at mozilla code every day. Bugs are found quickly and the response is much better than that of, say, microsoft. I guess ignorance is bliss, though.

Don't waste your time, I went through this with him a while back. Ignorance is bliss is too appropriate.

 

[Barnaby W. Füi]

Originally posted by: Spyro

Originally posted by: BingBongWongFooey

Originally posted by: Spyro

Originally posted by: NicColt

Mozilla works fine and it's a better, safer browser to use on a day to day basis.

I see your still up to your normal FUD packing again. A SAFER browser..... give me a break, let's not open that can of worms again. Have they come around and fixed the outstanding 62,000 bugs since I last checked ?

Whose FUD?
62,00 bugs, and I haven't seen three since I've used mozilla......

I have 😛

NicColt, first off, a filed bug isn't always a bug. It could be a behavioral thing. It could be a feature request. It could be a number of things -- they just group them all together in bugzilla so they all get referred to as "bugs." Second, there are hundreds or thousands of people looking at mozilla code every day. Bugs are found quickly and the response is much better than that of, say, microsoft. I guess ignorance is bliss, though.

I think you missed it. I have seen three, but I haven't seen three. Got that? 🙂

Doh, you win this time!

Originally posted by: Nothinman

Don't waste your time, I went through this with him a while back. Ignorance is bliss is too appropriate.

We need johnlog in here!

 

[manly]

Yeah FYI NicColt was previously referencing MozillaQuest, which is nearly universally considered a Mozilla FUD web site, as proof that Mozilla is buggy.

At the same time, he lauded IE as secure even though he himself stated he runs NIS to block malware scripts.

Anybody who knows IE's track record or understands a concept as simple as ActiveX (enabled on most IE installations) wouldn't be criticizing other products of insecurity.

 

[QueBert]

I will still run NS, plain and simple, just because the development has stopped. it still works for what I need it for. I don't hate IE. But I've NEVER had a problem with it, something I can't say for IE 🙂

 

[DefRef]

I think it's funny how so many people who generally complain about M$ being an evil, greedy monopoly are gleefully cheering the death of Netscape. I still use NS 4.79 cuz I've got SIX YEARS of e-mail and the HELL am I gonna switch to the virus-magnet that is Outlook or OE. I've played with Mozilla a bit, but the simple fact that the bookmarks don't tile across the screen (I've got a lot and IE sux the same way) and it's messed-up in how it handles user files (where the heck does the e-mail get stored?!?). I'm writing this post in Opera, but some pages just looked goofy in it.

 

[Nothinman]

(where the heck does the e-mail get stored?!?).

Under your profile.

 

[flexy]

why are you all bitching about NS ???

NS was/were one of the FEW Microsoft competitors back in the days (til 4.7)...and i *loved* NS4.7.

Strike 1) MS put them out of business with their policy to include a browser in Windows

Strike 2) The m*rons at AOL bought NS. And everything coming from AOL is B.S. - therefore NS got the second hit and ever since 4.7 NS was a piece of Junk. (As is AOL 🙂

Still...i miss the days when we had a nice NS 4.7 and there was a competition versus MICROSOFT - and i am quite surprised so many people complaining about NS....i didn't even touch NS after 4.7 (like...XYZ years ago it was already dead)....but i am sad seeing them really gone now...and seeing AOL and MS having it basically destroyed...

greetings

 

[manly]

Most people here would agree with "Strike 1".

But don't blame AOL for Netscape's demise. They actually bailed out Netscape, the corporation, at a nice rate of return for Netscape's investors. And in a mild surprise, they supported Netscape, the browser, development perhaps better than anticipated (albeit unsuccessfully). Sure, they added AOL branding and some bloat to the Communicator suite, but that's the price you pay for free downloads.

In fact, your nostalgic argument doesn't really hold water, because Communicator 4.x was an old, bloated codebase that was obsoleted by a monopolist. Put simply, AOL is not responsible for a Netscape project that predated its acquisition by a couple years. Even the discarded Netscape 5.0 project and the formation of Gecko predated the AOL purchase of Netscape. If anything, although it doesn't deserve kudos, AOL has to receive credit for a major sponsorship of Mozilla.

So while Netscape is unlikely to ever see another major release, Mozilla lives on (currently as Firebird). This thread's topic is simply incorrect in stating otherwise.

 

[Barnaby W. Füi]

I also find it amusing that people call microsoft evil and defend netscape; netscape participated in PLENTY of shady tactics before they got their asses whooped by MS.

 

[EeyoreX]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: EeyoreX
Maybe later on I'll like it more, but for now: Good riddance to Crapscape.

If you haven't tried the new one, aren't you speaking from rather substantial ignorance?

My "later on" comment refered to the Mozilla/Firbird etc browsers. I've used the recent Netscape browsers (I do website work and need to keep it for testing). So, no I don't think I am spreaking from any ignorance. I have tried the latest Netscape, Mozilla, and Opera browsers. I don't like them. Since I've tried them all I can say, without ignorance, that I don't like them. That's my personal opinion.

Yeah! That "competition" stuff sure is annoying.

Seems to me by all the posts here professing love for all Mozilla varient browsers that there is still competition. Competition is good, but the very nature of competition is that eventually some competetors die off (Netscape). New ones take their place (Mozilla, Opera). Not all software should or will be able to remain used simply for the sake of competition.

\Dan