Netflix calling out US ISPs

[zinfamous]

HBO Go is now available as an App on your PS3! ....uh, unless your ISP is Comcast.

holy shit I hate the cable companies.

 

[smackababy]

I'm going to Thailand in a few weeks. $17 a month for wifi.

Enjoy the internet, because everything else is third world country level. I'll take running water and not having martial law over cheap internet.

 

[squarecut1]

HBO Go is now available as an App on your PS3! ....uh, unless your ISP is Comcast.

holy shit I hate the cable companies.

Yes...same with roku. I subscribe to hbo but I had to get another box to watch hbogo even though roku has hbogo.

 

[preslove]

In 10-20 years I think ISPs will be turned into common carriers.

 

[Mai72]

Enjoy the internet, because everything else is third world country level. I'll take running water and not having martial law over cheap internet.

Not really. I have an apartment picked out and I'm only going to pay $210 a month. It doesn't look 3rd world to me. That was 20-30 years ago.

 

[squarecut1]

In 10-20 years I think ISPs will be turned into common carriers.

Indeed one rare FCC commisioner who is not on the payroll of telecom industry has advocated just that

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/...n-internet-providers-says-former-fcc-commish/

 

[squarecut1]

Not really. I have an apartment picked out and I'm only going to pay $210 a month. It doesn't look 3rd world to me. That was 20-30 years ago.

Dont mind smackababy. Going by his posts, he doesnt seem to know much about the rest of the world and peddles in cliches. Probably gets info from CNN, ABC, CBS, Fox, NBC etc. The shining lights of American "news" media

 

[smackababy]

Dont mind smackababy. Going by his posts, he doesnt seem to know much about the rest of the world and peddles in cliches. Probably gets info from CNN, ABC, CBS, Fox, NBC etc. The shining lights of American "news" media

You're telling me Thailand isn't under martial law?

I was being a bit silly about the no running water, but the government situation there isn't ideal, especially for people who are visiting. If it makes you feel any better, I have a few friends who live in Thailand for a year or so, and they all said it was nice.

 

[preslove]

It's amazing how Smackababy is so dumb that he posts ignorant drivel in any thread. This thread, NBA thread, even the xbox1 thread. He's straight up stupid.

 

[Engineer]

I'm going to Thailand in a few weeks. $17 a month for wifi.

When I was in Korea I was paying $22 a month for blazing fast internet.

That's because those countries see the Internet as infrastructure, similar to to what the US saw in the Interstate Highway System. Now, all we see is ways to limit competition in efforts to milk as much money as possible from the consumers. As the US lags into a service economy providing WalMart and McDonalds jobs, the rest of the world is moving forward on the idea that the Internet will provide the job growth of the future.

 

[Mai72]

You're telling me Thailand isn't under martial law?

I was being a bit silly about the no running water, but the government situation there isn't ideal, especially for people who are visiting. If it makes you feel any better, I have a few friends who live in Thailand for a year or so, and they all said it was nice.

Thailand is under martial law, but it's not really that bad. They aren't throwing tourist in jail. I'm going to be doing my thing and I will be staying out of trouble.

 

[Mr. Pedantic]

Enjoy the internet, because everything else is third world country level. I'll take running water, expensive healthcare, expensive food, expensive clothes, crappy monopolies and not having martial law over cheap internet.

FTFY

 

[squarecut1]

The inteenet is such an essential part of infrastructure that it is such a shame that ISPs are not classified as utilities. Yet they have monopoly but no oversight on price. The dream scenario for them. The best of both worlds

 

[smackababy]

The inteenet is such an essential part of infrastructure that it is such a shame that ISPs are not classified as utilities. Yet they have monopoly but no oversight on price. The dream scenario for them. The best of both worlds

They have fought against places that have attempted to offer internet as a utility. I don't recall which city, but one tried to subsidize the costs to offer affordable, fast internet to it's residents and the ISP in the area sued them, and won.

 

[squarecut1]

They have fought against places that have attempted to offer internet as a utility. I don't recall which city, but one tried to subsidize the costs to offer affordable, fast internet to it's residents and the ISP in the area sued them, and won.

Cant fault the courts. We all know how laws are made and how difficult it is to change any outdated laws if it conflicts with the interests of those who matter

 

[Engineer]

They have fought against places that have attempted to offer internet as a utility. I don't recall which city, but one tried to subsidize the costs to offer affordable, fast internet to it's residents and the ISP in the area sued them, and won.

Most likely because the city in question had signed a contract with the ISP to be the provider of internet to that city. Basically, a legal monopoly.

 

[Jeff7]

Public opinion against all the ISPs can go a long way to get government to enact and enforce laws preventing us all from continuing to be screwed.


In the mean time, I am just looking for a job in a place where Google can be my new internet overlord. I don't care if they do monitor my traffic for their own marketing purposes (advertisements for porn is certainly going to skyrocket for me! >_<)

Wait.....the government cares about public opinion now? The people who can't afford to offer 6-digit+ donations or bribes?

 

[pete6032]

I live in a house with a 40 Meg att connection. Netflix doesn't work at all, 30 seconds of playback followed by 20 seconds of buffering, all the time, every time.

Amazingly if I switch and try to watch Amazon prime video I have no problem at all.

 

[Sonikku]

The time to make a stink was before they caved and set precedent by handing them big sacks of cash. Netflix validated their behavior, when they should have used it to rave uproar over the telecoms and get public support behind the issue.

 

[squarecut1]

I live in a house with a 40 Meg att connection. Netflix doesn't work at all, 30 seconds of playback followed by 20 seconds of buffering, all the time, every time.

Amazingly if I switch and try to watch Amazon prime video I have no problem at all.

This will get resolved when att extracts their ransom from netflix. Who in turn will pass on the cost to you in terms of price increase, as they are doing already

It is always the customer who pays. Always

 

[BUTCH1]

I live in a house with a 40 Meg att connection. Netflix doesn't work at all, 30 seconds of playback followed by 20 seconds of buffering, all the time, every time.

Amazingly if I switch and try to watch Amazon prime video I have no problem at all.

Maybe Amazon's "pay per view" pricing gives them a better profit margin and they have enough $$ leftover to grease the ISP's so their shit isn't throttled vs Netflix which has fixed flat-rate per month pricing (and a better deal IMO). I'm sure the big ISP's $4.99 PPV movies never pause or buffer either..

 

[BeeBoop]

The time to make a stink was before they caved and set precedent by handing them big sacks of cash. Netflix validated their behavior, when they should have used it to rave uproar over the telecoms and get public support behind the issue.

I've heard this logic before and to this day it still sounds so stupid to me. Why would Netflix put their business at risk just to make a point? You've got to be a real retard if you'd let your business fail just to make a point.


Please, don't say something stupid along the lines of "Netflix wouldn't fail". Yes, Netflix wouldn't completely fail but they'd lose a huge market share to Amazon Prime and Hulu.... Don't be a retard.

 

[destrekor]

Maybe Amazon's "pay per view" pricing gives them a better profit margin and they have enough $$ leftover to grease the ISP's so their shit isn't throttled vs Netflix which has fixed flat-rate per month pricing (and a better deal IMO). I'm sure the big ISP's $4.99 PPV movies never pause or buffer either..

Amazon also has Prime, which does draw plenty of streaming viewership.

That said, I can almost guarantee that the collective consumption of all of Amazon's video services pales in comparison to Netflix.

I feel quite confident (could be wrong!) that Amazon is not paying a dime for bandwidth relating to Video.

That said, Amazon MAY have peering for AWS, which is a major business unit. I don't know their infrastructure nor am I an infrastructure guru, so I don't know if their CDN is a true CDN or basically reselling part of a service they lease. I also don't know if CloudFront (their CDN) is utilized by everything Amazon does in addition to offering it to AWS customers, or if Amazon has their own services and agreements for their content, and CloudFront is strictly for their customers.
I could look that up - normally, I would - but I just don't feel like satiating that knowledge thirst at this moment. I know it will be a long and dark rabbit hole, and I have other things I'd like to do.

 

[BUTCH1]

Amazon also has Prime, which does draw plenty of streaming viewership.

That said, I can almost guarantee that the collective consumption of all of Amazon's video services pales in comparison to Netflix.

I feel quite confident (could be wrong!) that Amazon is not paying a dime for bandwidth relating to Video.

That said, Amazon MAY have peering for AWS, which is a major business unit. I don't know their infrastructure nor am I an infrastructure guru, so I don't know if their CDN is a true CDN or basically reselling part of a service they lease. I also don't know if CloudFront (their CDN) is utilized by everything Amazon does in addition to offering it to AWS customers, or if Amazon has their own services and agreements for their content, and CloudFront is strictly for their customers.
I could look that up - normally, I would - but I just don't feel like satiating that knowledge thirst at this moment. I know it will be a long and dark rabbit hole, and I have other things I'd like to do.

Yea, I was just guessing, I really don't know jack about the whole deal but I read the occasional tidbit about local ISP's intentionally making using Netfilx more of a pain in the ass (as in throttling)..

 

[squarecut1]

Netflix accounts for one third of peak hours net traffic in america. It is beyond huge.

All of which is quite mystifying to me since there is hardly anything worth watching in their online selection, either in movies or tv shows. Its been a long time since I have used it, though I am a member