Netanyahu gets nod to form new Israeli government

[dphantom]

Good to see Netanyahu back. I think he has the best chance to not only form a government, but a better than even chance of settling the Paletine issue.

Link

 

[Lemon law]

I agree that Netanyahu has gotten the nod to form a government, but I do not think its going to be good for Israel, the Palestinians, or the chances of a mid-east peace.

In news later than this link, Livini, after initially flirting with joining Netanyahu in a ruling coalition, has now decided take to her Kadima party into an opposition block.

Which will tend to leave the extreme right wing in charge and its likely to lead to some totally stupid and irrational policies.

 

[kylebisme]

What do you expect Netanyahu to do to resolve this conflict?

 

[ayabe]

Originally posted by: TheSnowman
What do you expect Netanyahu to do to resolve this conflict?

He's going to continue to build new settlements and refuses to talk to Syria.

So nothing actually.

I believe this is going to drive a wedge between us and Israel and that's good a thing. Obama isn't going to support Israel unconditionally as Bush did.

 

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: ayabe

Originally posted by: TheSnowman
What do you expect Netanyahu to do to resolve this conflict?

He's going to continue to build new settlements and refuses to talk to Syria.

So nothing actually.

That is my prediction too, which is why I am curious as to where dphantom is deriving his optimism from.

Originally posted by: ayabe
I believe this is going to drive a wedge between us and Israel and that's good a thing. Obama isn't going to support Israel unconditionally as Bush did.

Unless or nation takes on a radical change in perspective, Obama is going to support Israel with the same weak conditionalism Clinton did, as did those who came before him. President that he is, Obama can only do so much on his own. I highly recommend this Dutch documentary for insight into what I am referring to, the intro is subtitled but it is mostly interviews in English:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N294FMDok98

 

[Turin39789]

Originally posted by: TheSnowman

Originally posted by: ayabe

Originally posted by: TheSnowman
What do you expect Netanyahu to do to resolve this conflict?

He's going to continue to build new settlements and refuses to talk to Syria.

So nothing actually.

That is my prediction too, which is why I am curious as to where dphantom is deriving his optimism from.

Originally posted by: ayabe
I believe this is going to drive a wedge between us and Israel and that's good a thing. Obama isn't going to support Israel unconditionally as Bush did.

Unless or nation takes on a radical change in perspective, Obama is going to support Israel with the same weak conditionalism Clinton did, as did those who came before him. President that he is, Obama can only do so much on his own. I highly recommend this Dutch documentary for insight into what I am referring to, the intro is subtitled but it is mostly interviews in English:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N294FMDok98

There's more than one way to settle the issue.

 

[dphantom]

Originally posted by: TheSnowman

Originally posted by: ayabe

Originally posted by: TheSnowman
What do you expect Netanyahu to do to resolve this conflict?

He's going to continue to build new settlements and refuses to talk to Syria.

So nothing actually.

That is my prediction too, which is why I am curious as to where dphantom is deriving his optimism from.

Originally posted by: ayabe
I believe this is going to drive a wedge between us and Israel and that's good a thing. Obama isn't going to support Israel unconditionally as Bush did.

Unless or nation takes on a radical change in perspective, Obama is going to support Israel with the same weak conditionalism Clinton did, as did those who came before him. President that he is, Obama can only do so much on his own. I highly recommend this Dutch documentary for insight into what I am referring to, the intro is subtitled but it is mostly interviews in English:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N294FMDok98

One does not get peace thru appeasement. Once Hamas and others know that, then there may be a better chance for Israel to peacefully co-exist with its Arab neighbors. I am not optimistic though as you seem to believe I am. I think Hamas et al will continue to attack Israel at the expense of the Palestinian people.

 

[ayabe]

Originally posted by: dphantom

Originally posted by: TheSnowman

Originally posted by: ayabe

Originally posted by: TheSnowman
What do you expect Netanyahu to do to resolve this conflict?

He's going to continue to build new settlements and refuses to talk to Syria.

So nothing actually.

That is my prediction too, which is why I am curious as to where dphantom is deriving his optimism from.

Originally posted by: ayabe
I believe this is going to drive a wedge between us and Israel and that's good a thing. Obama isn't going to support Israel unconditionally as Bush did.

Unless or nation takes on a radical change in perspective, Obama is going to support Israel with the same weak conditionalism Clinton did, as did those who came before him. President that he is, Obama can only do so much on his own. I highly recommend this Dutch documentary for insight into what I am referring to, the intro is subtitled but it is mostly interviews in English:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N294FMDok98

One does not get peace thru appeasement. Once Hamas and others know that, then there may be a better chance for Israel to peacefully co-exist with its Arab neighbors. I am not optimistic though as you seem to believe I am. I think Hamas et al will continue to attack Israel at the expense of the Palestinian people.

Well what has Israel achieved by expanding settlements or bombing Gaza?

I would say they've achieved nothing and are more hated now than ever by their neighbors.

Sorry but Likud isn't going to do anything other than lurch the US closer to war with Iran.

This is the problem I have with Israel, they've become the bulllies of the ME while using our money and political cover. I say fine, they want to be the schoolyard enforcer, but they need to stand on their own.

Not to divert the topic, but why is it that Israeli supporters just love giving billions to them with no strings attached but scream bloody murder if we want to help American workers?

 

[ayabe]

Originally posted by: TheSnowman

Originally posted by: ayabe

Originally posted by: TheSnowman
What do you expect Netanyahu to do to resolve this conflict?

He's going to continue to build new settlements and refuses to talk to Syria.

So nothing actually.

That is my prediction too, which is why I am curious as to where dphantom is deriving his optimism from.

Originally posted by: ayabe
I believe this is going to drive a wedge between us and Israel and that's good a thing. Obama isn't going to support Israel unconditionally as Bush did.

Unless or nation takes on a radical change in perspective, Obama is going to support Israel with the same weak conditionalism Clinton did, as did those who came before him. President that he is, Obama can only do so much on his own. I highly recommend this Dutch documentary for insight into what I am referring to, the intro is subtitled but it is mostly interviews in English:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N294FMDok98

Well I think going back to Clinton style relations with Israel would be a huge step in the right direction, at least he was trying to be impartial. Now whether he was successful or not is certainly up for debate, but I believe we(the US) certainly held up the appearance of trying to help rather than just being the arsenal of Israeli aggression - which is pretty much how we're viewed currently.

 

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: Turin39789
There's more than one way to settle the issue.

What way do you suggest?

Originally posted by: dphantom
One does not get peace thru appeasement.

Then what do you hope to gain though our longstanding appeasement of Israel's conquest over Palestine?

 

[theeedude]

Is he going to settle it with a final solution?

 

[sandorski]

Status Quo.

 

[Atreus21]

Well what has Israel achieved by expanding settlements or bombing Gaza?

About the same thing they achieved when they ceded land to the Palestinians: More rocket attacks.

 

[Lemon law]

Israel has already alienated the larger international community, only the USA with its pro-Israeli bias now saves Israel's butt. A consensus driven Obama may be under tremendous international pressure to edge away from total Israeli support if Netanyahu does something outrageous.

Ever since the rape of Lebanon, Israel has increasingly been skating on very thin ice.

 

[Turin39789]

Originally posted by: TheSnowman

Originally posted by: Turin39789
There's more than one way to settle the issue.

What way do you suggest?

Originally posted by: dphantom
One does not get peace thru appeasement.

Then what do you hope to gain though our longstanding appeasement of Israel's conquest over Palestine?

I was only suggesting that if someone says

settling the Paletine issue.

they might not mean a reasonable two state solution and peace, but a bitter and bloody battle that "settles" the problem.

 

[Fern]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
Israel has already alienated the larger international community, only the USA with its pro-Israeli bias now saves Israel's butt. A consensus driven Obama may be under tremendous international pressure to edge away from total Israeli support if Netanyahu does something outrageous.

Ever since the rape of Lebanon, Israel has increasingly been skating on very thin ice.

I bet if he edges away from supporting Israel he'll regret it (Unless Bebe does something everyone here consuiders outrageous, and not just the anti-Israel left).

Right or wrong, he's saddled with the "Muslim' thingy.

And the (Gallop) polling I see finds Americans' support favors Israel or Palestinians in a big way.

IMO, bowing to international pressure against the will of the US people is no way to keep support here.

Fern

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: ayabe

So nothing actually.

Just what Isreal needs - A turd in the punchbowl of peace efforts. :thumbsdown:

 

[aircooled]

He's hardliner that will do ANYTHING to protect Israel. I don't see much peace in his being there.

 

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: Atreus21

Well what has Israel achieved by expanding settlements or bombing Gaza?

About the same thing they achieved when they ceded land to the Palestinians: More rocket attacks.

It was the continuing to take more land in the West Bank while ceding their colonization of Gaza which got them more rockets.

Originally posted by: Turin39789
they might not mean a reasonable two state solution and peace, but a bitter and bloody battle that "settles" the problem.

Sure, decades of that has done much to resolve this conflict.

Originally posted by: aircooled
He's hardliner that will do ANYTHING to protect Israel. I don't see much peace in his being there.

Like any other Israeli Prime minster at least since Rabin was assassinated by a militant settler, Netanyahu's interest is in protecting Israel's ongoing conquest over Palestine regardless of the retaliation it provokes.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: aircooled
He's hardliner that will do ANYTHING to protect Israel.

Anything other than choosing the sane option of being willing to tear down the settlements and make a genuine effort to make peace.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: ayabe

Originally posted by: TheSnowman
What do you expect Netanyahu to do to resolve this conflict?

He's going to continue to build new settlements and refuses to talk to Syria.

So nothing actually.

I believe this is going to drive a wedge between us and Israel and that's good a thing. Obama isn't going to support Israel unconditionally as Bush did.

wrong!! What Obama will do is leave Israel alone and be there for them if they get into real trouble!

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: ayabe

Originally posted by: dphantom

Originally posted by: TheSnowman

Originally posted by: ayabe

Originally posted by: TheSnowman
What do you expect Netanyahu to do to resolve this conflict?

He's going to continue to build new settlements and refuses to talk to Syria.

So nothing actually.

That is my prediction too, which is why I am curious as to where dphantom is deriving his optimism from.

Originally posted by: ayabe
I believe this is going to drive a wedge between us and Israel and that's good a thing. Obama isn't going to support Israel unconditionally as Bush did.

Unless or nation takes on a radical change in perspective, Obama is going to support Israel with the same weak conditionalism Clinton did, as did those who came before him. President that he is, Obama can only do so much on his own. I highly recommend this Dutch documentary for insight into what I am referring to, the intro is subtitled but it is mostly interviews in English:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N294FMDok98

One does not get peace thru appeasement. Once Hamas and others know that, then there may be a better chance for Israel to peacefully co-exist with its Arab neighbors. I am not optimistic though as you seem to believe I am. I think Hamas et al will continue to attack Israel at the expense of the Palestinian people.

Well what has Israel achieved by expanding settlements or bombing Gaza?

I would say they've achieved nothing and are more hated now than ever by their neighbors.

Sorry but Likud isn't going to do anything other than lurch the US closer to war with Iran.

This is the problem I have with Israel, they've become the bulllies of the ME while using our money and political cover. I say fine, they want to be the schoolyard enforcer, but they need to stand on their own.

Not to divert the topic, but why is it that Israeli supporters just love giving billions to them with no strings attached but scream bloody murder if we want to help American workers?

Awe give it up!! Israel has not become the bullies of the Middle East!
Israel stood on its own just fine before we became involved!!

This is the most mornic generalization in the world -- Not to divert the topic, but why is it that Israeli supporters just love giving billions to them with no strings attached but scream bloody murder if we want to help American workers?

You can`t even suppoort that statement with facts.....