Net Neutrality-Closing in

[Zomboli]

Net Neutality is our freedom to do what we want on the internet. This could be coming to an end!

Find out more at http://www.savetheinternet.com/

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: Zomboli
Net Neutality is our freedom to do what we want on the internet. This could be coming to an end!

Find out more at http://www.savetheinternet.com/

Is this Dave's alt?

 

[spidey07]

And if you believe that bogus site, you'll believe anything.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: Zomboli
Net Neutality is our freedom to do what we want on the internet. This could be coming to an end!

Find out more at http://www.savetheinternet.com/

Is this Dave's alt?

Originally posted by: spidey07
And if you believe that bogus site, you'll believe anything.

I don't see anything "bogus" there.

 

[Lemon law]

Net neutrality could well become another one of those third rail type things---here communication companies have been quietly assembling a monopoly with no real barriers--but they may well get their comeuppance as angry people discover their beloved internet has been corrupted---leaving clueless executives wondering what happened when an angry public succeeds in breaking up their monopoly
into little bitty pieces----and thats what a third rail is---touch it and you die.

And thats what these telco executives are---totally greedy and totally clueless.

 

[yllus]

*shakes head* As someone getting more and more into work in video streaming on the Internet, I'm not looking at Net Neutrality too fondly.

 

[Looney]

Originally posted by: yllus
*shakes head* As someone getting more and more into work in video streaming on the Internet, I'm not looking at Net Neutrality too fondly.

Big surprise!

 

[yllus]

Originally posted by: Looney

Originally posted by: yllus
*shakes head* As someone getting more and more into work in video streaming on the Internet, I'm not looking at Net Neutrality too fondly.

Big surprise!

Hmm?

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
Net neutrality could well become another one of those third rail type things---here communication companies have been quietly assembling a monopoly with no real barriers--but they may well get their comeuppance as angry people discover their beloved internet has been corrupted---leaving clueless executives wondering what happened when an angry public succeeds in breaking up their monopoly
into little bitty pieces----and thats what a third rail is---touch it and you die.

And thats what these telco executives are---totally greedy and totally clueless.

There is no monopoly at ALL. If anything it is a brutal battle ground to gain customers. Net Neutrality eliminates that competition and is a very bad idea all around.

If you support net neutrality, you want to kill the Internet and it's evolution.

 

[Lemon law]

There is no monopoly at ALL.?

What have you been smoking?----must be some powerful stuff.---maybe its not absolute yet but its getting really close and closer every day.

 

[Schadenfroh]

Originally posted by: blackangst1
Is this Dave's alt?

No, Dave has nothing to do with it. Think Google's viral marketing.

 

[Wreckem]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: Lemon law
Net neutrality could well become another one of those third rail type things---here communication companies have been quietly assembling a monopoly with no real barriers--but they may well get their comeuppance as angry people discover their beloved internet has been corrupted---leaving clueless executives wondering what happened when an angry public succeeds in breaking up their monopoly
into little bitty pieces----and thats what a third rail is---touch it and you die.

And thats what these telco executives are---totally greedy and totally clueless.

There is no monopoly at ALL. If anything it is a brutal battle ground to gain customers. Net Neutrality eliminates that competition and is a very bad idea all around.

If you support net neutrality, you want to kill the Internet and it's evolution.

By definition it is a oligopoly. The telecos own almost all of the internet backbone. Net Neutrality stops them from using this virtual monopoly to making a multi-tiered internet backbone.

 

[Craig234]

Net neutrality is a very important area for our democracy to protect. Media consolidation has all but ruined the traditional news media, and the internet is the crucial area to keep the free exchange of information where the big dollars of corporations don't limit people.

It's historic - our nation has had few such big shifts in the media, since the press at the founding - the two biggest perhaps are television and the internet.

Of the two, I think the internet appears more important.

 

[smashp]

The big telco's that continue to Whine about Add revenue for content providers and want these tiered system to hijack the internet . Its like a Its like a home builder demanding the furniture store pay them a cut, because without the home we built, there would be no need for your furniture.

 

[smack Down]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: Lemon law
Net neutrality could well become another one of those third rail type things---here communication companies have been quietly assembling a monopoly with no real barriers--but they may well get their comeuppance as angry people discover their beloved internet has been corrupted---leaving clueless executives wondering what happened when an angry public succeeds in breaking up their monopoly
into little bitty pieces----and thats what a third rail is---touch it and you die.

And thats what these telco executives are---totally greedy and totally clueless.

There is no monopoly at ALL. If anything it is a brutal battle ground to gain customers. Net Neutrality eliminates that competition and is a very bad idea all around.

If you support net neutrality, you want to kill the Internet and it's evolution.

Yeah the internet would just die if my cable company had to treat my skype packets the same way it treats its own digital phone packets.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: Zomboli
Net Neutality is our freedom to do what we want on the internet. This could be coming to an end!

Find out more at http://www.savetheinternet.com/

Theres always one in the crowd...that site is so boguis....

 

[AnitaPeterson]

I'm sorry, but I really don't get you guys... Those who criticize that site, I mean... Must I understand that there are some of you here who agree that that telcos should control and tax the speed at which y'all can surf websites not affiliated with them?

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: smack Down
Yeah the internet would just die if my cable company had to treat my skype packets the same way it treats its own digital phone packets.

Why should they?

That's the whole point, if they treated them the same then there is no incentive to even offer the service. This means no competition. This means the death of the Internet.

Hence - killing the Internet and advanced services.

 

[Arcex]

What this means that is if you own a website and don't want to pay the telco's an extra fee they will limit the amount of bandwidth, or block it completely, so people going to your site will get slow speeds or nothing at all.

And it potentially could mean website owners having to pay a SEPERATE fee to EACH telco, since it's a question as to which telco your customer goes through, not which one you go through.

 

[Genx87]

Isnt this about traffic prioritization?
Do you think Johnnys counterstrike server he pays 60 bucks a month for should recieve the same traffic priorizitation as google or IP phone service?

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: Genx87
Isnt this about traffic prioritization?
Do you think Johnnys counterstrike server he pays 60 bucks a month for should recieve the same traffic priorizitation as google or IP phone service?

As long as they're both paying for their bandwidth, yes. Why should Google get priority? Because they're bigger?

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: smack Down
Yeah the internet would just die if my cable company had to treat my skype packets the same way it treats its own digital phone packets.

Why should they?

That's the whole point, if they treated them the same then there is no incentive to even offer the service. This means no competition. This means the death of the Internet.

Hence - killing the Internet and advanced services.

You just contradicted yourself. With net neutrality, you can use Vonage, Skype, the cable companies service, or whatever VOIP service you want. If telecoms are allowed to deny traffic based on the application, they'll be able to deny competition access to their network. It's their VOIP or nothing.

Hence, meaning the only services which will survive are those provided directly by your cable or telephone company.

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: Genx87
Isnt this about traffic prioritization?
Do you think Johnnys counterstrike server he pays 60 bucks a month for should recieve the same traffic priorizitation as google or IP phone service?

It's primarily about stopping the progress of the Internet to provide next generation services like high quality voice, video and data.

If people are happy with their choppy, low quality audio and video then by all means net neutrality is for you. If you want a robust and rich High Definition Video Internet then you should staunchly disapprove of this bullcrap. Not to mention do you really want the gubment regulating the Internet?

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: Genx87
Isnt this about traffic prioritization?
Do you think Johnnys counterstrike server he pays 60 bucks a month for should recieve the same traffic priorizitation as google or IP phone service?

As long as they're both paying for their bandwidth, yes. Why should Google get priority? Because they're bigger?

Yes and they provide a tangible service to millions of people.
afaik traffic priorizitation isnt all about bandwidth but latency and routing through the internet to a destination.

I see a couple of potential drawbacks with this act. It passes and the telco's starting charging johnny the going rate Google pays for bandwidth. Or the govt imposes a price control that kills the internet as low priority subscribers like johnny saturate the network with their low priority traffic.

Spidey07, correct me if I am wrong on my thinking.

 

[spidey07]

Genx87 - you understand the drawbacks.

quality of service isn't just about bandwidth but providing reliable and consistent service levels for bandwidth, latency/delay and jitter (the variation in delay). Without that consistent service you cannot provide high quality voice and video.