Nestle refused FDA information

[minendo]

Originally posted by: JSt0rm01

Originally posted by: minendo
If you think the industry itself needs a revamp what do you suggest be done? And how is it going to be paid for?

We pay for it by selling the meat of 3 week old infants. Seriously though lets take .0001% of the defense budget. done. Or we could add it to the debt.

the real question is as someone who works in that industry do you think it's regulation needs a revamp?

No I don't. Increasing inspection from the FDA will not solve any of these issues. The food industry continues to evolve as do testing methods and procedures in an aim to prevent issues such as the cookie dough.

Additionally, this discussion is moot until it is determined what caused the actual E. coli in the cookie dough. There are hundreds of possibilities from employee hygiene, water quality, equipment sanitation, raw materials, suppliers, distribution, packaging, etc.

Furthermore, I doubt Nestle even tests their cookie dough for E. coli because it is not reasonably likely to occur based on the make up of the product. Some might argue that food companies should run microbiological testing on all products for all harmful bacteria but the feasibility and cost would be outrageous. Consumers would be looking at $100 rolls of cookie dough.

 

[minendo]

Originally posted by: Harvey
Absolutely. Accidental contamination happens, but its spread can be significantly reduced by competent food inspection.

How would this be accidental contamination? Salmonella occurs naturally in poultry.

 

[Patranus]

Originally posted by: minendo

Originally posted by: JSt0rm01

Originally posted by: minendo
If you think the industry itself needs a revamp what do you suggest be done? And how is it going to be paid for?

We pay for it by selling the meat of 3 week old infants. Seriously though lets take .0001% of the defense budget. done. Or we could add it to the debt.

the real question is as someone who works in that industry do you think it's regulation needs a revamp?

No I don't. Increasing inspection from the FDA will not solve any of these issues. The food industry continues to evolve as do testing methods and procedures in an aim to prevent issues such as the cookie dough.

Additionally, this discussion is moot until it is determined what caused the actual E. coli in the cookie dough. There are hundreds of possibilities from employee hygiene, water quality, equipment sanitation, raw materials, suppliers, distribution, packaging, etc.

Furthermore, I doubt Nestle even tests their cookie dough for E. coli because it is not reasonably likely to occur based on the make up of the product. Some might argue that food companies should run microbiological testing on all products for all harmful bacteria but the feasibility and cost would be outrageous. Consumers would be looking at $100 rolls of cookie dough.

The fact of the matter is the dough was marketed and sold with the intent to be cooked. You would not hold Foster Frames responsible for for someone eating raw chicken and getting sick.

 

[minendo]

Originally posted by: Patranus

Originally posted by: minendo

Originally posted by: JSt0rm01

Originally posted by: minendo
If you think the industry itself needs a revamp what do you suggest be done? And how is it going to be paid for?

We pay for it by selling the meat of 3 week old infants. Seriously though lets take .0001% of the defense budget. done. Or we could add it to the debt.

the real question is as someone who works in that industry do you think it's regulation needs a revamp?

No I don't. Increasing inspection from the FDA will not solve any of these issues. The food industry continues to evolve as do testing methods and procedures in an aim to prevent issues such as the cookie dough.

Additionally, this discussion is moot until it is determined what caused the actual E. coli in the cookie dough. There are hundreds of possibilities from employee hygiene, water quality, equipment sanitation, raw materials, suppliers, distribution, packaging, etc.

Furthermore, I doubt Nestle even tests their cookie dough for E. coli because it is not reasonably likely to occur based on the make up of the product. Some might argue that food companies should run microbiological testing on all products for all harmful bacteria but the feasibility and cost would be outrageous. Consumers would be looking at $100 rolls of cookie dough.

The fact of the matter is the dough was marketed and sold with the intent to be cooked. You would not hold Foster Frames responsible for for someone eating raw chicken and getting sick.

This is true, but the cooking instructions are targeted towards Salmonella concerns and the raw product is tested for Salmonella prior to being released to the general public.

As I stated above, E. coli is not tested for in my experience in this type of product. Depending on the levels of E. coli that the product contained, the cooking instructions may or may not have made a difference.

 

[Excelsior]

So...I had already consumed half of my Nestle Toll House Ultimate cookie dough (chocolate chunk with pecans) by the time I saw this info. I still ate the rest. My GF and I noticed no ill effects. Fuck 'em.

 

[minendo]

Originally posted by: Excelsior
So...I had already consumed half of my Nestle Toll House Ultimate cookie dough (chocolate chunk with pecans) by the time I saw this info. I still ate the rest. My GF and I noticed no ill effects. Fuck 'em.

Although Nestle voluntarily recalled all of its raw cookie dough, only dough produced at one facility was actually contaminated. I know of at least two facilities that make the raw dough, but I am sure there are more.

 

[SunSamurai]

Originally posted by: minendo

Originally posted by: Harvey
Absolutely. Accidental contamination happens, but its spread can be significantly reduced by competent food inspection.

How would this be accidental contamination? Salmonella occurs naturally in poultry.

Very small people with really good eyesight?

 

[dali71]

Originally posted by: minendo

Originally posted by: Harvey
Absolutely. Accidental contamination happens, but its spread can be significantly reduced by competent food inspection.

How would this be accidental contamination? Salmonella occurs naturally in poultry.

Attempting to have a logical conversation with Harvey is like trying to teach a dog to ride a bicycle; you'll only end up frustrated and may end up getting pissed on.

 

[bamacre]

What I think RyanPaulShaffer is trying to say is that the FDA is neutered and while its responsibility is to protect consumers, it often cannot.

Government intervention in the markets is a two-way street. While we as consumers allow government to intervene in the markets, we've also opened up corporations and big businesses to also have their say in government. It is a deal we have made, and we have underestimated the consequences. The problem is corporations and big businesses have more money and more ability to petition government, so they get their way more often than we do. Big business loves big government.

The case here is a very good example of this. We have put our faith in the FDA to protect us as consumers, yet the FDA is neutered and often incapable of performing its tasks.

We have sacrificed our economic freedom for economic security and we now have neither.

 

[techs]

Originally posted by: minendo
They are not required by law to provide that information.

You just keep repeating that. It makes you look either childish or just plain stupid.
Seriously, it is hurting any kind of point you are trying to make.
You need to re-read this thread and realize you are off on some tangent that makes no sense and that whatever kind of point you are trying to make is being hurt by what you are posting.

 

[dawp]

Originally posted by: techs

Originally posted by: minendo
They are not required by law to provide that information.

You just keep repeating that. It makes you look either childish or just plain stupid.
Seriously, it is hurting any kind of point you are trying to make.
You need to re-read this thread and realize you are off on some tangent that makes no sense and that whatever kind of point you are trying to make is being hurt by what you are posting.

bacically what techs is saying is, yes it is not required but it should be. seems that you are overlooking that a wee bit of information. The fact it wasn't required is the basis of the trouble, if it was, this may never have happened.

 

[dali71]

Originally posted by: techs

Originally posted by: minendo
They are not required by law to provide that information.

You just keep repeating that. It makes you look either childish or just plain stupid.
Seriously, it is hurting any kind of point you are trying to make.
You need to re-read this thread and realize you are off on some tangent that makes no sense and that whatever kind of point you are trying to make is being hurt by what you are posting.

He was simply stating a fact. A childish or stupid action would be something like claiming that WorldNetDaily advocated the murder of homosexuals, then refusing to provide any proof when called on it. But I'm sure that you wouldn't know anything about that, right? :roll:

 

[theeedude]

Just don't buy Nestle products, problem solved.

Here is list:

Cereals

* Cinnamon Grahams
* Cheerios
* Cini Minis
* Honey Nut Cheerios
* Oat Cheerios
* Cookie Crisp
* Fitnesse
* Force Flakes
* Chocapic
* Golden Nuggets
* Golden Grahams
* Honey Stars
* Koko Krunch
* Milo Cereals
* Nestlé Corn Flakes
* Nesquik
* Shreddies
* Shredded Wheat
* Clusters
* Trix

[edit] Coffee

* Bonka
* Buondi (Portugal)[1]
* Christina (Portugal)[2]
* Dolca (Argentina)
* Ecco (Peru, Chile)
* El Chaná (Uruguay)
* International Roast
* Kirma (Peru)
* Loumidis (Greece)
* Nescafé
* Nespresso
* Partner's Blend
* Ricoffy
* Ricoré
* Sical[3]
* Tofa[4]
* Taster's Choice
* Zoégas

[edit] Water

* Aberfoyle
* Aqua D'Or
* Aqua Pod
* Acqua Panna
* Al Manhal
* Aquapod
* Arrowhead
* Buxton
* Contrex
* Dar Natury (Poland)
* Deer Park
* Hépar
* Ice Mountain
* Korpi
* Levissima
* Naleczowianka (Poland)
* Nestlé Aquarel
* Nestlé Vera
* Ozarka
* Perrier
* Poland Spring
* Powwow
* Minere
* Pure Life/Pureza Vital
* Quézac
* San Pellegrino
* San Bernardo
* Viladrau
* Vittel
* Zephyrhills

[edit] Other drinks

* Nestea
* Milo
* Carnation
* Caro
* Chocolate D'Onofrio (Peru)
* Cocoa D'Onofrio (Peru)
* Nesquik
* Nescao (Argentina)
* Nescau (Brazil)
* Vascolet (Uruguay)
* Libby?s
* Growers Direct Organic Fruit Juices
* Good Host

[edit] Shelf stable

* Christie
* Bear Brand
* Carnation
* Coffee-Mate
* Gloria
* Ideal (Peru)
* Klim
* La Lechera
* Milkmaid
* Moça (Brazil)
* Molico (now Svelty)
* Nespray
* Nestlé
* Nesvita
* Nestlé Omega Plus
* Nido
* Ninho
* Svelty
* Emswiss

[edit] Chilled

* Chamyto (Brazil, Mexico, Chile, Philippines)
* Chiquitín (Mexico, Chile)
* Club (Mexico)
* La Laitière (France,Belgium)
* La Lechera (Spain,Mexico)
* Moça (Brazil)
* Chandelle (Brazil, Chile)
* LC1 (Switzerland)
* Molico (Brazil now Svelty)
* Nestlé
* Ski
* Sveltesse (France)
* Svelty (Mexico)
* Yoco
* Munch Bunch (UK)
* Le Viennois (France, Belgium, Switzerland)
* Hirz (Switzerland)
* Nesvita (Philippines, India)
* Ninho (Brazil)

[edit] Ice cream

* Åhusglass (Sweden)
* Camy
* ???ta (Greece)
* Diplom-Is (Norway)
* D'Onofrio (Peru)
* Dreyer's
* Edy's
* Frigor (Argentina)
* Frisco
* Häagen-Dazs (North America)
* Hemglass (Sweden)
* Hjem-IS (Denmark & Norway)
* Kotijäätelö (Finland)
* Maxibon
* Motta
* Mövenpick (Switzerland)
* Mivvi
* Nestlé
* Nestlé Drumstick - The Original Sundae Cone
* Oreo (Canada)
* Peters (Australia)
* Push-Up
* Savory (Chile)
* Schöller
* Underground is (Denmark)
* Valiojäätelö (Finland)

[edit] Infant foods

* Alete
* Alfare
* Beba
* Bona (Finland)
* Cérélac
* FM 85
* Gerber
* Good Start
* Guigoz
* Lactogen
* Nan
* NAN HA
* NanSoy
* Neslac
* Nestlé
* Nestogen
* Nestum (Portugal)[5]
* Nido
* Piltti (Finland)
* PreNan

[edit] Performance nutrition

* Musashi
* Neston
* Nesvita
* PowerBar
* Pria
* Supligen

[edit] Healthcare nutrition

* Boost
* Modulen
* Nutren
* Nutren senior
* Peptamen
* Peptamen UTI
* Jenny Craig
* Novartis
* Ovaltine

[edit] Seasonings

* Buitoni
* Maggi
* Thomy
* Winiary

[edit] Frozen foods

* Maggi (INDIA)
* Stouffer?s
* Lean Cuisine
* Buitoni
* Hot Pockets
* Lean Pockets
* Papa Guiseppi
* Findus (Sweden)

[edit] Refrigerated products

* Buitoni
* Herta
* Nestlé
* Toll House

[edit] Chocolate, confectionery and baked goods

* 100 Grand Bar
* Aero
* After Eight
* Allens
* Animal Bar
* Baby Ruth
* Bertie Beetle (Australia)
* Big Turk (Canada)
* Blue Riband
* Breakaway
* Butterfinger
* Butterfinger BB's
* Butterfinger Crisp
* Bon Pari (Czech Republic, Poland and Hungary)
* Cailler
* Capri (Chile)
* Caramac
* Carlos V
* Charge (Brazil)
* Chips Ahoy! (Canada)]
* Chocolate Surpresa (Brazil)
* Chokito (Brazil)
* Coffee Crisp (Canada)
* Chunky
* D'Onofrio (Peru)
* Damak (Turkey)
* Drifter
* Frigor
* Galak/Milkybar
* Heaven
* JOJO (Czech Republic and Poland)
* Icebreakers
* Kit Kat(INDIA)(except the United States where Hershey's makes it)
* Lion
* Matchmakers
* Milky Bar (INDIA)
* Minties (Australia)
* Mirage
* Joff
* Munchies
* Negrita (Chile)
* Nestlé Alpine White
* Nestlé with Almonds
* Nestlé Crunch
* Nestlé Crunch Crisp
* Nestlé Crunch with Caramel
* Nestlé Crunch with Peanuts (Limited Edition)
* Nestlé Crunch Pieces
* Nestlé Crunch White
* Nestlé Milk Chocolate
* Nestlé Princessa
* Nestlé Wonder Ball
* Nestlé Yes (Germany)
* Nips
* Oh Henry (except Canada)
* Orion (chocolate) (Czech Republic)
* Peppermint Crisp
* Perugina Baci
* Polo
* Prestigio (Chile,Brazil)
* Quality Street
* Rolo (except the United States where Hershey makes it)
* Sahne Nuss (Chile)
* Sensação (Brazil)
* Snowcaps
* Smarties
* Suflair (Brazil)
* Super 8 (Chile)
* Susy (Venezuela)
* Texan Bar
* Toffee Crisp
* Toll House cookies
* Trencito (Chile)
* Turtles
* Walnut Whip
* Violet Crumble
* Yorkie
* Munch(only in India)

[edit] Wonka confectionery brands

* Bottle Caps
* Donutz
* FruiTart Chews
* Fun Dip
* Gobstoppers
* Laffy Taffy
* Lik-M-Aid
* Nerds
* Nerds Gumballs
* Nerds Rope
* Oompas
* Pixy Stix
* Rainbow Nerds
* Runts
* SweeTarts
* SweeTarts Rope
* SweeTarts Shockers
* Tart 'n' Tinys
* Thrills
* Wonka Bars
* Wonka Xploders

[edit] Foodservice products

* Chef-Mate
* Davigel
* Minor's
* Santa Rica

[edit] Petcare

* Alpo
* Beneful
* Dog Chow
* Fancy Feast
* Felix
* Friskies
* Go Cat
* Butchers
* Bakers
* Winalot
* Gourmet
* Mighty Dog
* Mon Petit
* ONE
* Pro Plan
* Purina
* Tidy Cats