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Nero 6 for $9.99 + 5.95 shipping! EDIT: Dont Bother, OEM software being sold. Pretty Sketchy

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well, i think that settles it, folks. mr. burns confirms that you can buy the oem cd, download the ultra version from the nero web site, and then use the oem serial number to install the ultra version. sounds like a no-brainer to me ... this is a sweet deal!

btw, this matches my own experience with nero 5 - i got an oem version of 5.0 with a cd burner and was able to download 5.5 and use the oem key to install 5.5. i also got nero express 5.5 with another cd-rw that was burner-specific and was not able to upgrade that to the full version of nero 5.5.

i'm guessing that so few people do this that it isn't a hit to ahead's revenue ... after all, most folks never upgrade their software or drivers for fear of breaking something. however, it is wierd that ahead is letting this site sell the oem version of the package.
 
My guess is that Ahead does not know about it, or if they do, then like you say, it's not enough of a problem for them to make a stink.

BTW, addragyn, I do know that OEM refers to the packaging. However, for many products, including this one, it is illegal to sell it without some accompanying product (in this case a CD or DVD burner, as specified on the CD sleeve). Of course, the legality of it would come down to the actual OEM agreement that is in place.

I guess it is possible that SoftwareOutlet has gotten "clearance" from Ahead to sell these on their own, but I doubt it...
 
As far as someone else referenced, when I contacted the CSR originally, he did state that it was supposed to be the same as the retail product, just CD only. This was the way it was stated on their website originally.

I later referenced another call that the CSR I talked with stated that if anyone had a problem with getting "OEM" vs. the "CD Only" version, that they (SoftwareOutlet) would allow the return, and no restocking fee would apply. He offered to cancel the order while I had him on the phone, but since at that point, we did not know specifically what we were going to get, I let the order stand.

Others have stated that SoftwareOutlet will refund the purchase price (including shipping), per an email they received.

I'm just not sure what I'm going to do. If I use the serial number to activate a full version, am I actually legit at that point? Seems like kind of a grey area to me...
 
If I am not mistaken, I believe Nero Burning ROM is the same regardless of what version you get, its all the extras that come with the Ultra version that disinguishes it from this copy. The Ultra version is a complete suite of utilities and this OEM version is a stripped down version, so you shouldn't have any problems with updating it....

As far as the legality and the correct thing to do, as its being argued here, I personnaly think the responsibility of this falls on softwareoutlet, not the people buying it. When I originally saw this, I was under the impression this was a stripped down version of Nero that was being offered for sale, not an OEM copy. The original advertising said the list price on this was $49.99, which leads me to believe that this is retail software.... If someone wants to argue that if the price is too good to be true, then it probably isn't, should always buy there software at SRP rather than any sale price.... I have often bought retail software at far less than suggested retail for one reason or another.... be it clearance, promotional or whatever..... The point being when I purchased this, I thought I was getting current, legitimate software at a very good price.... I think thats what softwareoutlet implied in there ad, but thats not what was offered....

Dave
 
Just another clarification... "Ultra" is a recently added marketing ploy by Nero. They came up with several utilities to add to Nero 6 AFTER they released Nero 6. They did the same thing with Nero 5.5. The Nero on this deal is the EXACT SAME Nero you get if you order it from Ahead. There are a few utilities not included on the disc that can be downloaded from the Nero site. (In fact, you don't need to use the disc at all. You can download the absolute latest versions of everything from Nero's site, and just use your serial #.)

The version of Nero 6 on the Web site is already newer than the one on this CD.

Nero is officially selling two products: Nero Ultra (Nero 6 + all extra utilities), and Nero Express, which you now get when you buy most CD burners. Nero Express can NOT be upgraded like the version in this deal can.

 
I ordered on 8-26-03 and today I got an e-mail from SoftwareOutlet informing me that NERO 6 is on backorder ............
 
I don't know what CD Mr. Burns got from Software Outlet. It must be a different Nero than the one I got.

I just loaded it over my 5.5. It deletes 5.5 and installs 6. When you launch it, it asks for your serial number. I punched in the one I got with the CD. Then I closed the program and relaunched it to see what happens.

It did NOT give me the full version as Burns claims. It changed my main Nero Folder to "Nero OEM" Deleted the full version Nero Icon and left "Express" in there with a few other utilities.

It does see my DVD burner, so I guess it's not burner specific. So if you can live with Express, fine. I'm going back to 5.5, and chalk this one up as a loser among many winners from this forum.

 
You got ripped off. Mine is definitely not "express."


EDIT: I never actually installed the software from SoftwareOutlet. I instead downloaded everything from Ahead's site, using my serial # on the CD. So I guess I don't know if it would have installed express or not. Did you try downloading the new version from Ahead?

I got mine in the very beginning. There seemed to be some second shipment mentioned at one point, where someone told them a CSR said they were waiting on thousands more to arrive. Perhaps they switched something?

 
My experience matches MontyBurns. Toss the CD, record the serial number, download the latest versions from nero.com and you get the full package.
 
Originally posted by: joebubba
I ordered on 8-26-03 and today I got an e-mail from SoftwareOutlet informing me that NERO 6 is on backorder ............
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I got my order last Friday and I also got this email today.

 
i had the same experience as chiefbrody. i didn't install from the cd i received from softwareoutlet which was labeled oem suite 1 and matches the description that is *now* on the product page - http://www.softwareoutlet.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=S&Product_Code=4406 - but was not described this way when i ordered back on 8/20.

instead, i downloaded all three packages from the nero website and plugged in my serial number. as soon as i restarted the program, it reconfigured itself, took away half the previously available programs, and left only the apps described on the back of the cd sleeve and on the above mentioned webpage.

i got what i paid for, which is adequate for most of my burning needs, so i'm not complaining. but be aware that this is *not* a way to get the ultra edition for cheap.
 
I take back what I said before. I got a fully functional Burning ROM right up to the point that I exited and restarted, then it removed a bunch of programs as chiefbrody and crazygerman described.
 
Demand must still be strong (or the supply is running low). I just checked and the price is $14.99. This is up $5 from the orginal $9.99 for this deal.
 
Originally posted by: MontyBurns
You got ripped off. Mine is definitely not "express."


EDIT: I never actually installed the software from SoftwareOutlet. I instead downloaded everything from Ahead's site, using my serial # on the CD. So I guess I don't know if it would have installed express or not. Did you try downloading the new version from Ahead?

I got mine in the very beginning. There seemed to be some second shipment mentioned at one point, where someone told them a CSR said they were waiting on thousands more to arrive. Perhaps they switched something?
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I downloaded mine too. Never attempted to install if from CD seeing how Nero Full isn't even on there. Only Express.
 
well, nuts. looks like this hot deal is really a crap shoot. one person got lucky, everybody else is getting the oem deal. sounds like ahead wised up with this new version. darn!
 
Supply must be real low, I ordered on 8/23 and still haven't received it; not even a email from them. Sounds like a bummer anyway!
 
It is not illegal to sell OEM software. It is not illegal to buy OEM software.

It is a violation of the seller's contract with the software manufacturer for them to sell OEM software in a manner that varies from the contract terms. Presumably the contract in this case limites sale of the software to sale with qualifying device CD R/RW. The software manufacturer has a perfectly valid breach of contract action against the on-line vendor who is in breach of contract.

The question is is there any contract between the OEM manufacturer and the end user. Since the envelope only forbids sale of the produce, not use, any shrink wrap license would be very strictly construed against the OEM manufacturer. However it may be a breach of the license to use the software unless it was supplied with qualifying hardware. In such a case the OEM manufacturer could bring a lawsuit against any user in violation of the license. Naturally such a user could them implede the online vendor with a warranty of title and merchantibility warranty claim. As a practical matter any suit by the OEM manufacturer against a user would be limited to a claim by the OEM for loss of revenue for that sale only.

Has anyone bothered to read the terms of the license to determine what rights the purchaser obtains in the software?

Please try to maintain the destinction between criminal activity (illegal) and civil liability (ie breach of contract) when blowing steam. A criminal activity allows for public control of the offense with the public paying the costs. A question of civil liability requires that agreived party to commence a lawsuit against a defendant and pay all up front costs in obtaining a civil judgment against a defendant. It would then be necessary for the successful plaintiff to enforce any money judgment against the defendant. All in all a much different kettle of fish.
 
Originally posted by: DeeTees
It is not illegal to sell OEM software. It is not illegal to buy OEM software.

It is a violation of the seller's contract with the software manufacturer for them to sell OEM software in a manner that varies from the contract terms. Presumably the contract in this case limites sale of the software to sale with qualifying device CD R/RW. The software manufacturer has a perfectly valid breach of contract action against the on-line vendor who is in breach of contract.

The question is is there any contract between the OEM manufacturer and the end user. Since the envelope only forbids sale of the produce, not use, any shrink wrap license would be very strictly construed against the OEM manufacturer. However it may be a breach of the license to use the software unless it was supplied with qualifying hardware. In such a case the OEM manufacturer could bring a lawsuit against any user in violation of the license. Naturally such a user could them implede the online vendor with a warranty of title and merchantibility warranty claim. As a practical matter any suit by the OEM manufacturer against a user would be limited to a claim by the OEM for loss of revenue for that sale only.

Has anyone bothered to read the terms of the license to determine what rights the purchaser obtains in the software?

Please try to maintain the destinction between criminal activity (illegal) and civil liability (ie breach of contract) when blowing steam. A criminal activity allows for public control of the offense with the public paying the costs. A question of civil liability requires that agreived party to commence a lawsuit against a defendant and pay all up front costs in obtaining a civil judgment against a defendant. It would then be necessary for the successful plaintiff to enforce any money judgment against the defendant. All in all a much different kettle of fish.
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Thank you Perry Mason. I think we've pretty much covered all this already. But to put this whole issue in the real world perspective. Companies go after the big fishies. Johnny snot-nose buying a single CD from some no name company is a non-issue. So insignificant, that to even discuss legalites in this case is ridiculous.
 
still, since this isn't the full version, who cares about the legality? i'm not going to buy it so i'm not doing anything wrong!
 
Wow! I finally received a response from Nero, you guys won't believe their reply:

Dear Customer,

Thank you for your email.

The site is illegal. It is selling Nero 6 which is way below the market value.

Best regards
Al Valerio

Ahead Support Team
_________________________________________________________
Office hours are from Monday to Friday 9:00 am to 5:00 pm PST

Ahead Software Inc.
Glendale, CA 91203
FAX: (818) 956 7094
______________________________

Originally posted by: sk3tch
Yes, I just emailed Nero to inform them of this.

Hi,

I thought you may be interested to know the in the following thread:

http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.cfm?catid=40&threadid=1121826&FTVAR_MSGDBTABLE=&STARTPAGE=1

It was discovered a company is selling "CD Only" Nero6 products for about $10 with $6 shipping. However, if you follow the thread you will see that they eventually changed the site lable to "OEM" and still shipped OEM to those that ordered when it was advertised as "CD Only." I purchased this product thinking I was buying a legal Nero6 application, but since it is OEM, my software is not legal.

Can you investigate the issue? I am already planning on contacting my credit card company to dispute the charge.

Here is the link to the company's ad for Nero6 (now listed as "OEM") -

http://www.softwareoutlet.com/Merch...re_Code=S&Product_Code=4406&Category_Code=COM

Thank you.
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I sent it to their tech support, U.S. sales, U.S. public relations, and legal/administration email addresses; found here:

http://www.ahead.de/us/631898242817969.html
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I think since we good citizens brought this unscrupulous companie's illegal activities to Ahead's attention, they should send us all a retail box version of Nero Ultra 😀

I mean, who knows. Maybe Software Outlet is working with the Russina Mafia. This could lead to national news. :camera:
 
Originally posted by: ChiefBrody
I think since we good citizens brought this unscrupulous companie's illegal activities to Ahead's attention, they should send us all a retail box version of Nero Ultra 😀

I mean, who knows. Maybe Software Outlet is working with the Russina Mafia. This could lead to national news. :camera:
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LOL


You want a picture........ I have no problems yet.....and I bought a copy..

For those that want to know ...I emailed our little Ebay friend selling the 21" samsung monitors for $650 free shipping,when I get his email address i will have him investigated....I will then buy a monitor when he replys...That way i have his contact info as well........so we will see,if its a scam or not..
 
Originally posted by: MontyBurnsGoes back to my original point: People on these forums would rob their mothers to save 50 cents on toothpaste. All the sermons about CD-only vs. OEM vs. "going legit" don't sound very sincere to me. All the people who really want to "go legit" would pay $70 to get the product from Nero. This product doesn't sell in retail outlets for $10. It never has, and never will. If you thought a $10 version with no manual, no box, no retail packaging was somehow being officially sold by Nero.....
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YUP! The major whiners here are the ones that also post deals that require the use of fradulent coupon codes that were not Emailed to them. For example, a guy who pretended he thought he was getting $180 of legal software for $30 made this post earlier:
Post by sk3tch
It is OK for him to recommend fraud (criminal) but not OK for a seller to sell OEM (civil).

In fact, most of the coupon deals here and on FW involve using fradulent coupons not sent to the buyer. Sometimes there are warnings posted about no store pickup or phone orders where the original coupon would be required.

You can't have it both ways!!
 
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