Neighbor was showing liveleak videos to 6 year old daughter

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: Aikouka
Based on what he said in the original post, I'd say he was fine. He just mentioned that the video may be inappropriate but he didn't order him (akin to "stop showing her that!") around... just a suggestion in a pretty awkward situation.

Originally posted by: alkemyst
A parent can show their kid sex videos if they want within reason. It's easy for outsiders to dub it sexual abuse/etc.

Didn't that one couple get in trouble for their kid watching them do the deed? It's pretty close in nature to what you mentioned.

Read the quote you quoted. It's easy for outsiders to interfere.

Having my kid watch me would be something I wouldn't do, but it happens in many households. Not everyone in the world lives outside 1 room.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: Chryso

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: Chryso
You need a vasectomy. Seriously.

Based on?

Your views on parenting.

I would hope a pillar of parenting as yourself would qualify their statements a bit more

 

[MrPickins]

Originally posted by: alkemyst
Mr Pickins, what do you think the majority of kids see everyday? I will tell you the first obvious ones are not any school, not any TV, probably not even a roof. You'd have to define gore...but I am willing to bet more kids see people dying each day in the world than don't. Most people don't know what life is really like...they only think they do.

So where is the worldwide mass bloodshed of which you speak? If this was WWII, you might have a point.

You think the majority of the worlds children don't have a roof? Let me guess, every child in the world is starving too...Unless you consider India and China 3rd world, I'd say the majority of children come from industrialized nations. And even excluding those, I'd still say close to half.

The argument is inconsequential, though. Just because some unfortunate children of this world are exposed to the full extent of human depravity at an early age does not mean that it is ok for us to do in our culture. At some point morals come into play.

I don't set the rules for your second question. I don't believe in burning books either...those have been considered abusive as well. To me the only things wrong with sex are when the people having it are coerced, if both are in agreement I say whatever goes goes....color creed orientation etc. A lot of it I don't want or would even try, but I am not going to tell someone else they can't do that.

I'm a libertarian, and I completely understand your sentiment about dictating others' behavior, but I also feel that part of government and society's job is to protect those that can't protect themselves, in this case a child.

 

[MrPickins]

Originally posted by: alkemyst
No one can really comment on the situtation without being there...however; his daughter was very much a part of being present to terrorism if she is 6.

You can't sweep it under the rug if no incident happened locally.

Showing a beheading is extreme, but the fear and disgust of this is one that is a learned trait. Being honest with a child about it from early on let's the kid know that bad things do happen. It doesn't make someone a killer.

Sounds far too much like indoctrination for my tastes. How is it beneficial to show such gore to a child who is unable to comprehend it (other than to instill hate)?

Let the children have as peaceful a childhood as possible. Parents are supposed to act as a buffer between the child and the grim realities of life until they are at an age where they can have some perspective.

Her father could well have used his responsibility as a buffer to come up with a toned down explanation of what terrorism is. He chose to show her what I consider to be some of the worst footage around. How can you defend that?

 

[Inspector Jihad]

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269

Originally posted by: Modelworks
I think what decides what is ok for a child to see , is the moral majority of the society.
Which seems to be falling every second anymore.

And so I ask you again sir, what does the moral majority think the minimum age should be for watching these videos? 25? 14? 6.75?

18.

 

[jagec]

Originally posted by: MrPickins
You think the majority of the worlds children don't have a roof? Let me guess, every child in the world is starving too...Unless you consider India and China 3rd world,

What do YOU consider them?

 

[Eli]

I haven't seen such strong opinions since the last circumcision thread. lol

 

[MrPickins]

Originally posted by: jagec

Originally posted by: MrPickins
You think the majority of the worlds children don't have a roof? Let me guess, every child in the world is starving too...Unless you consider India and China 3rd world,

What do YOU consider them?

Not third world. There is a big difference between sub-Saharan Africa and China, IMO.

But, you took my quote out of context. I pointed out that the argument was moot in the next sentence...

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: MrPickins

Originally posted by: alkemyst
It's not a crime to show these kinds of things to any kid. Let the parent's do what they will to raise their kids.

If you do have a reservation, discuss it in private with them.

IMHO parent's that keep the real world from their kids are doing a big disservice to them. These same parents though have no problem sending their kids to school in a halter top, 6" heels and a "I WANNA FK U" ringtone on their phones though so YMMV.

Why is it not a crime? Showing the kid a sex video if she asked about it would be.
But, this is America where sex is the taboo, and violence is perfectly acceptable.

My point is, both are psychologically damaging, who is to say which is worse?

Showing a sex video is not a crime for the last time. Showing pornography is. There is a difference between a sex video and porn.

Without knowing the 6 year old in question no one is able to make this decision.

IMHO nothing is really shocking until you learn it is. I am a realist, I have dreams; but when I am dealing with now I want the non-whitewashed version.

Growing up my mother was first a ICU/CCU/ER nurse. I got to hear about trauma a lot, I was able to witness some of it. It perked my desire to learn more about biology which later turned towards zoology. Later on during my teens she entered OB/GYN practice...needless to say some of the stuff scared me about sex.

 

[jagec]

Originally posted by: MrPickins

Originally posted by: jagec

Originally posted by: MrPickins
You think the majority of the worlds children don't have a roof? Let me guess, every child in the world is starving too...Unless you consider India and China 3rd world,

What do YOU consider them?

Not third world. There is a big difference between sub-Saharan Africa and China, IMO.

But, you took my quote out of context. I pointed out that the argument was moot in the next sentence...

Just because there are quite a few rich people, and maybe even a small middle class, does not elevate a nation above third world. It's the distribution of wealth (particularly in the lower echelons), not the total amount. Pretty much any nation has at least one productive segment of the economy, and all nations have a few of the super-rich.

I've been to India. It's third-world. Lots of South America is considered third world, and they're much better off for the most part...

Yes, this is a side argument. I was just surprised by your quote.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: MrPickins

Originally posted by: alkemyst
No one can really comment on the situtation without being there...however; his daughter was very much a part of being present to terrorism if she is 6.

You can't sweep it under the rug if no incident happened locally.

Showing a beheading is extreme, but the fear and disgust of this is one that is a learned trait. Being honest with a child about it from early on let's the kid know that bad things do happen. It doesn't make someone a killer.

Sounds far too much like indoctrination for my tastes. How is it beneficial to show such gore to a child who is unable to comprehend it (other than to instill hate)?

Let the children have as peaceful a childhood as possible. Parents are supposed to act as a buffer between the child and the grim realities of life until they are at an age where they can have some perspective.

Her father could well have used his responsibility as a buffer to come up with a toned down explanation of what terrorism is. He chose to show her what I consider to be some of the worst footage around. How can you defend that?

If you have read I have said it really depends on the child and how the video is presented. You can cover the same subject matter and one way is pornographic and the other not.

You are splitting hairs that aren't there. For many children such a video would not be understood.

You don't seem to believe that most children in the world see these kinds of things everyday.

You quoted India and China as if the whole nation is considered....there are millions and millions of children that witness friends and family killed and worse each day. There are many families that all live in the same room. Sex happens in front of their children and the kids are not messed up.

When a child learns something is taboo is when it affects them poorly.

I am not advocating this for all kids, but IMHO only a parent of the child themselves is fit to determine their upbringing. Too much gets classified as child abuse now.

 

[Lazy8s]

FWIW I would have said something, then I would have left and called child services. If the kid was looking the videos up that's another issue, but forcing your kid to watch people be murdered is screwed up.

I highly doubt that child services would agree you can show your kid anything. Something like this also makes me (as previous posters have stated) seriously question what goes on when mentally stable people are not around.

 

[MrPickins]

Originally posted by: jagec

Originally posted by: MrPickins

Originally posted by: jagec

Originally posted by: MrPickins
You think the majority of the worlds children don't have a roof? Let me guess, every child in the world is starving too...Unless you consider India and China 3rd world,

What do YOU consider them?

Not third world. There is a big difference between sub-Saharan Africa and China, IMO.

But, you took my quote out of context. I pointed out that the argument was moot in the next sentence...

Just because there are quite a few rich people, and maybe even a small middle class, does not elevate a nation above third world. It's the distribution of wealth (particularly in the lower echelons), not the total amount. Pretty much any nation has at least one productive segment of the economy, and all nations have a few of the super-rich.

I've been to India. It's third-world. Lots of South America is considered third world, and they're much better off for the most part...

Yes, this is a side argument. I was just surprised by your quote.

To continue the side topic: I consider them emerging nations. Not first world, not third. I guess "second world"?

 

[Lazy8s]

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: MrPickins

Originally posted by: alkemyst
No one can really comment on the situtation without being there...however; his daughter was very much a part of being present to terrorism if she is 6.

You can't sweep it under the rug if no incident happened locally.

Showing a beheading is extreme, but the fear and disgust of this is one that is a learned trait. Being honest with a child about it from early on let's the kid know that bad things do happen. It doesn't make someone a killer.

Sounds far too much like indoctrination for my tastes. How is it beneficial to show such gore to a child who is unable to comprehend it (other than to instill hate)?

Let the children have as peaceful a childhood as possible. Parents are supposed to act as a buffer between the child and the grim realities of life until they are at an age where they can have some perspective.

Her father could well have used his responsibility as a buffer to come up with a toned down explanation of what terrorism is. He chose to show her what I consider to be some of the worst footage around. How can you defend that?

If you have read I have said it really depends on the child and how the video is presented. You can cover the same subject matter and one way is pornographic and the other not.

You are splitting hairs that aren't there. For many children such a video would not be understood.

You don't seem to believe that most children in the world see these kinds of things everyday.

You quoted India and China as if the whole nation is considered....there are millions and millions of children that witness friends and family killed and worse each day. There are many families that all live in the same room. Sex happens in front of their children and the kids are not messed up.

When a child learns something is taboo is when it affects them poorly.

I am not advocating this for all kids, but IMHO only a parent of the child themselves is fit to determine their upbringing. Too much gets classified as child abuse now.

So your argument is that because (in your opinion) it happens to "most" kids then it's ok?


How about if I beat my girlfriend to within an inch of her death or raped her. I mean, in most countries women have no rights, so that makes it ok right?

 

[jagec]

Originally posted by: MrPickins

To continue the side topic: I consider them emerging nations. Not first world, not third. I guess "second world"?

I suppose, but I reserve "second world" for nations like Malaysia, which still has a lot of poverty in rural areas, but fewer urban poor and less desperation in general.

I do see your point about India/China having more potential than many African nations. While the wealth hasn't really started to trickle down (and, with their population, it may never get very far), at least they have large economies that are capable of generating a good deal of it and providing many jobs.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: Lazy8s

So your argument is that because (in your opinion) it happens to "most" kids then it's ok?


How about if I beat my girlfriend to within an inch of her death or raped her. I mean, in most countries women have no rights, so that makes it ok right?

Did you read?

I said it depends on the child and not all children would be traumatized at all.


Your example is so far off from what is discussed here it's not worth responding too.

 

[homercles337]

OPie is clearly a repug. Telling others how to raise their children, what to do/not to do in the privacy of their own home, etc ad nauseum. :|

 

[MrPickins]

Originally posted by: alkemyst
Showing a sex video is not a crime for the last time. Showing pornography is. There is a difference between a sex video and porn.

I was referring to a porn movie. You should have been clear that you meant "educational sex video".

Again, the point is moot, as the beheading videos are much more extreme than any educational video.

IMHO nothing is really shocking until you learn it is. I am a realist, I have dreams; but when I am dealing with now I want the non-whitewashed version.

Growing up my mother was first a ICU/CCU/ER nurse. I got to hear about trauma a lot, I was able to witness some of it. It perked my desire to learn more about biology which later turned towards zoology. Later on during my teens she entered OB/GYN practice...needless to say some of the stuff scared me about sex.

Sounds like you were desensitized early. That doesn't mean everyone else need be.

IMHO nothing is really shocking until you learn it is. I am a realist, I have dreams; but when I am dealing with now I want the non-whitewashed version.
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When a child learns something is taboo is when it affects them poorly.

I am not advocating this for all kids, but IMHO only a parent of the child themselves is fit to determine their upbringing. Too much gets classified as child abuse now.

Some things are taboo by instinct. This is one of them.
Obviously it was shocking to the little girl.

You don't seem to believe that most children in the world see these kinds of things everyday.

You quoted India and China as if the whole nation is considered....there are millions and millions of children that witness friends and family killed and worse each day. There are many families that all live in the same room. Sex happens in front of their children and the kids are not messed up.

How many times do I have to repeat myself?

No, I do not think that most of the world's children see gore of that level every day.

And on the sex topic which you can't seem to get off of, yes I believe many children see their parents in bed. That doesn't make it a good idea. I'd be willing to bet that it results in earlier losses of virginity, higher rates of teen pregnancy, and spread of STD's.

 

[CKent]

Man, I can't even bring myself to watch the beheading videos. Showing that to a 6 year old girl who's already crying is beyond fucked up. If you called child protective services something would possibly come of it. The question is do you really want to take it that far?

 

[Auric]

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: Auric
Father is a tard. Subject aside, does he run to the computar to explain every question the daughter asks and preferably in video form? It's absurd.

Besides that, terrorism is largely subjective and oft indistinguishable from the setting whether that is war, revolution, resistance, insurgency, counter-insurgency, and so on.

In that light and in any case doubtless from the daughter's perspecitve she did not witness "terrorism" but an execution or, if you like, a murder... but certainly a friggin' killing. Terrorism != killing; that would be missing the point.

Heck, the father terrorised the daughter. Tard.

I don't get your post about going to a computer to show answers. It's probably the best place to get valid information with pictures and video. No different than going to a library.

No one can really comment on the situtation without being there...however; his daughter was very much a part of being present to terrorism if she is 6.

You can't sweep it under the rug if no incident happened locally.

Showing a beheading is extreme, but the fear and disgust of this is one that is a learned trait. Being honest with a child about it from early on let's the kid know that bad things do happen. It doesn't make someone a killer.

See vi_edit's post about twenty down.

It is the role of the parent to provide a filter and context, preferably as objective as possible. When the child asks what terrorism is, the rational response by an adult who could not adequately explain is to simply consult a dictionary and then relay that to the child in perhaps easier understood terms. Again, it is simply absurd to do what the father did not only because of the unsuitable and traumatizing content (made worse by being forced to watch it against her will) but the fact that it didn't even answer the question. Father = total failure.

 

[rockyct]

Originally posted by: homercles337
OPie is clearly a repug. Telling others how to raise their children, what to do/not to do in the privacy of their own home, etc ad nauseum. :|

Oh come on. I'm pretty liberal, but I think the OP is right in this situation. The child is not the father's property and yet he was forcing her to watch traumatizing videos. I would do the exact same thing and call the guy on it.

 

[prism]

Originally posted by: homercles337
OPie is clearly a repug. Telling others how to raise their children, what to do/not to do in the privacy of their own home, etc ad nauseum. :|

Yeah, the OP TOTALLY told the father how to raise his child.... (in case you can't tell, that line is meant to be dripping with sarcasm)

I hate it how the "you can't tell others how to raise your children" argument keeps coming up. It's one thing to have someone say "hey, don't give your kids that ice cream, it'll rot their teeth", and quite another to comment on a father making his daughter watch something that's making her cry which UNARGUABLY is teaching her nothing. Terrorism is not defined by videos of extreme violence, rather it is an ideal, as others in this thread have already stated.

Call me crazy, but I think it's quite alright to step in when a parent is mistreating their child, and anyone who thinks that this situation can't be classified as such at least to some degree needs to have their head, and their ideals, examined.

 

[prism]

Originally posted by: alkemyst
Mr Pickins, what do you think the majority of kids see everyday? I will tell you the first obvious ones are not any school, not any TV, probably not even a roof. You'd have to define gore...but I am willing to bet more kids see people dying each day in the world than don't. Most people don't know what life is really like...they only think they do.

You blatantly disregard one crucial, validity-pwning point in your argument: these children you speak of in 3rd world countries who are subjected to these things regularly have been going through this most of their lives. Thus, it is wildly illogical to suggest that showing a gruesome beheading to a 6-year-old girl with (presumably) no previous exposure to something of this nature is the same thing as a child in one of your post-apocalyptic countries viewing the same subject matter.

This is comparable to showing a porno to both a convicted sex offender and a 6-year-old. Vastly different audiences = vastly different reactions.

 

[eits]

i think anyone who told you that you stepped out of line is an idiot.

there's a difference between stepping in and telling someone not to spank their kid and stepping in and telling them not to show their kid horrific images that aren't even shown on national television. it is not something anyone should have to be forced to watch, let alone a 6 year old little girl. that's mental abuse.

if someone was sexually or physically abusing their child and you saw it, would you not say or do anything because you don't want to "step out of line"? fuck that...

you did the right thing.


i've dissected many cadavers and i've seen a couple snuff videos... i've never, ever wanted to see a video of a beheading. i just know that THAT is something that would stay with me and i don't want it to... just the thought of what it might sound and look like makes me somber. just imagine what this could do to a little girl growing up...

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: Jahee
Just trying to stamp the hate of muslims into her brain and perpetuate the bullshit!

heh yeah